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[Wij]

You could say the same about Guinness and it's jet-black torpedoes.

Guiness tastes nice, can get you drunk and can replace food.

Sweetcorn can't even be giving me any nutrition given that it goes out exactly the same as it came in.

Fuck that shit.

 

[Scouse]

You ever had it BBQ'd on the cob or only in it's grim canned form?

 

[Tom]

Sweetcorn can't even be giving me any nutrition given that it goes out exactly the same as it came in.

Fuck that shit.

Sounds like someone's been doing that.

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Scouse]

Go go Tory policing!

Drug deaths in England and Wales highest since 1993

In total, 4,561 deaths related to drug poisoning were registered in England and Wales last year.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Moriath]

Go go Tory policing!

Drug deaths in England and Wales highest since 1993

In total, 4,561 deaths related to drug poisoning were registered in England and Wales last year.

www.bbc.co.uk

Nothing to do with policing. We already had a conversation that drugs war is lost and you agreed. Coupled with the fact that we had lockdowns and harder to move drugs around could be they cut it more with ketamine or such. Or people just bored at home getting off their tits more.

either way not really a policing issue. You could throw billions and billions more at it and we would still be losing it.

 

[Raven]

It's a waste of police time and just makes rich scumbags, richer.

 

[Scouse]

Nothing to do with policing. We already had a conversation that drugs war is lost and you agreed. Coupled with the fact that we had lockdowns and harder to move drugs around could be they cut it more with ketamine or such. Or people just bored at home getting off their tits more.

either way not really a policing issue. You could throw billions and billions more at it and we would still be losing it.

Worst performance since 1993 and the Tories who are "tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime".

It's a Tory issue @Moriath. And drug use is a crime issue. And they've had a fucking long time as government - and we're posting the worst results for nearly 30 years.

 

[Raven]

Pew pew.

 

[BloodOmen]

The best thing they can do about drugs is legalizing them. Daft as that sounds... that would do more financial damage to drug dealers than what they're doing currently and if people really want drugs, they're going to get them one way or another.

For harder drugs like coke/heroin? at a loss there, they could legalize them too but they'd have to do it in such a way where the streets are just not going to lined with junkies.

Cannabis though? that cunt should have been made legal years ago because it has genuine health benefits when used properly.

 

[Bodhi]

Um:

Drug deaths in Scotland reach new record level

The country continues to have the worst drug death rate in Europe, with a further 1,339 people dying last year.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[BloodOmen]

View: https://youtu.be/HTXkxE-hANY

 

[Moriath]

Um:

Drug deaths in Scotland reach new record level

The country continues to have the worst drug death rate in Europe, with a further 1,339 people dying last year.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yeah those tories in power in scottieland

 

[Raven]

Everything in Scotland is getting shitter but freeeeedeeeeerrrrrm and so on.

It's wank here because of the Tories.

 

[Scouse]

Yeah those tories in power in scottieland

The scottish government has openly admitted their culpability.

So then. Ball back to you.

 

[Bodhi]

The scottish government has openly admitted their culpability.

So then. Ball back to you.

Probably because they have 33% of the drug deaths of England and Wales with less than 10% of the population, that's fucking horrendous tbh.

 

[Scouse]

Probably because they have 33% of the drug deaths of England and Wales with less than 10% of the population, that's fucking horrendous tbh.

You do this a lot don't you. Point at other places that have historical issues and use your whataboutery to justify fucking woeful performance.

Worst drug death record since 1993. In ENGLAND. And over those 28 years the Tories have been in power for a fucking long time, including over the last decade. - Plenty of time to do something from the "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" party.

 

[Moriath]

You do this a lot don't you. Point at other places that have historical issues and use your whataboutery to justify fucking woeful performance.

Worst drug death record since 1993. In ENGLAND. And over those 28 years the Tories have been in power for a fucking long time, including over the last decade. - Plenty of time to do something from the "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" party.

Labour were in power for 13 years. Tories for 15. Not much more than 50%. But keep going. And for 5 of those tories were power sharing with the lib dems.

 

[Scouse]

Labour were in power for 13 years. Tories for 15. Not much more than 50%. But keep going. And for 5 of those tories were power sharing with the lib dems.

Oh. Well what do you know, those stats are available from the ONS and guess what!!

Spoiler

Deaths go UP under the Tories. Deaths go DOWN under Labour.

Tough on crime, tough on the causes on crime eh? The Tories give zero shits about anyone. Stop sucking their fucking dicks.

 

[Moriath]

Oh. Well what do you know, those stats are available from the ONS and guess what!!

Spoiler

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Deaths go UP under the Tories. Deaths go DOWN under Labour.

Tough on crime, tough on the causes on crime eh? The Tories give zero shits about anyone. Stop sucking their fucking dicks.

Not sure if we are talking tory policing or drug deaths. You seem to be mixing and matching to support your rhetoric. That left second red line is optimistic at best. Its virtually flat.

if 1993 is the far left (haha) then thats the low point which was at the end of 13 years of tory government.

you need to look at more than just the party in power in isolation to draw the conclusions you are trying to do. I intend to stay far away from your new thread. Please dont corrupt this one as well with your idealisations and gross simplification of complex issues.

 

[MYstIC G]

The scottish government has openly admitted their culpability.

Did that being back the dead?

 

[Gwadien]

I think the Tories can be criticised for not taking a pioneering stance on drug policy, but they won't since the core of their party lived through the war on drugs era and it's going to be hard to change opinions like that.

I do think the Tories will be the ones to go ahead with it; reduced policing costs and increased taxation? Sounds pretty tory to me!

 

[Moriath]

Did that bring back the dead?

FTFY

@Scouse thank for the confirmation you have no idea with the shitpost emoji.

dont take i to account the financial security of the times or the ease of international travel and transport of drugs, along with the development and availability of much more refined and harmful derivatives of the common drugs available in the 80’s and 90’s live fentany which the major hardcore drugs and often cut with now rather than chalk and similar. And can be lethal in very small amounts.

add to that the exceptional times we live in. And have been through over the affluent 80’s and the bubble that wasn’t going to be a bubble in Gordon Brown, and Tony Blairs reign. Prosperity for ever. To the crunch and the depression following 2008. And the current 2 year pandemic.

thats not even touching social change or population shift and the cycle of ups and downs that blair and brown assured us were over in the early to mid 2000‘s.

@Gwadien its easy to point at the party in power at the time things appear to be going downhill. We could have legalised many drugs and solved it that way. The true liberal way. Or clamped down with poo poo on every street.
but in one post @Scouse hates the poo poo and allthey stand for and another he says they are not enough of them cracking down on his pet subject.

its easy to ask for a pioneering stance. but what would the things you have the. Pioneer on and how? Easier said than done. Without people like @Scouse saying its verging on a police state

 

[Scouse]

Did that being back the dead?

Nope. It's clearly a shitshow in Scotland - and that's historic - long before there was a Scottish Parliament, which has only been about since 1999.

But what they've done is not tried to dodge the fact that they're now responsible for it - and the thrust of that argument was that the Tories aren't admitting it's their fault and responsibility for England & Wales.

It's illustrative of a method of operating.

Despite @Moriath's asshattery it's very clear that under the Tories in England and Wales (and when they were responsible for Scotland too) that drug deaths go up. Under Labour, the opposite.

 

[Scouse]

@Scouse thank for the confirmation you have no idea with the shitpost emoji.

Your post is nonsensical - that's why you got the shit emoji. You're clearly incapable of reading basic graphs and understanding trends and relationships. Hence the bullshit emoji.

 

[Scouse]

I think the Tories can be criticised for not taking a pioneering stance on drug policy

They both can. Labour reclassified cannabis from C to A under Blair (and immediately usage rose - human desire to get hold of what is prohibited I suppose).

Lib Dems are the only ones with a legalisation/decriminalisation actual-sense policy.

 

[Raven]

Use probably wasn't effected, prosecution likely went up with the reclassification.

Nobody actually cares whether weed is illegal or not, let alone what category it currently sits in. Successive governments of both flavours have lost the plot on drugs.

 

[Scouse]

Nobody actually cares whether weed is illegal or not

Disagree. Lots of people really do - especially Tory voters who've grown up with "drugs = TERRORRORROROR!!!11".

As we progress and they die out then maybe the UK can have a rational drugs policy. But partly we have what we have as we signed up to the UN convention that prohibits legalisation - and we don't want to harm our standing with the world, many countries are extremely anti-drug and us changing that stance might affect trade and the likes.

 

[Aoami]

It's probably useful to note the rise of highly dangerous synthetic drugs in recent years as well.

 

[Scouse]

It's probably useful to note the rise of highly dangerous synthetic drugs in recent years as well.

Created in response to Labours crackdown on a load of drugs - so they started creating synthetics at a rate to stay ahead of the law.

That problem was literally born out of terrible prohibitive legislation. People are going to take drugs, legal or not. We need to accept it.