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  1. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    The article says that a minority of schools do use them.

    I've seen them, but they're used as a more severe punishment if they've been excluded for instance.

    Usually being removed means being put in another classroom or an empty classroom with a member of staff.
  2. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Honestly, leaves a real bad taste in my mouth. It feels utterly draconian.

    Teachers when I was a kid could absolutely keep unruly classrooms under control without excluding anyone. The idea that kids were taken out of class was unheard of.
  3. Moriath

    Moriath I am a FH squatter

    The kids have changed and the teachers have feck all they can do without getting in trouble and the kids know it.
  4. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    No they haven't.

    The world might have changed around them. But they're the same.
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  5. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    Again, expectations are higher.

    I don't necessarily agree with it either, some expectations don't reflect the real world, and schools do feel quite draconian as a result of it.

    Honestly though, it also boils down to the fact that school has simply got harder in the past 10 years or so, most GCSE specs are very content heavy and requires every lesson to be used optimally which usually includes having kids working in silence banging out content and being unable to balance it out with work that might be more relaxed, so kids do get frustrated by it and therefore respond badly.
  6. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Life isn't supposed to be like that.

    Especially not for kids.

    No wonder we've got workforces full of terrified snowflake drones.
  7. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    Really? I remember kids being kicked out of class when I was at school. Sometimes it was stand outside, sometimes get sent to the Head.

    I had teachers who could control a class through fear, others (not many) who could control a class through being interesting, others who used the head and higher ups to control things, and a couple of memorable ones who controlled absolutely fuck all, which is why I only did half my History syllabus for example.
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  8. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Well yeah. But fucking isolation booths and rooms that they sat in on their own?

    Maybe you'd sit outside the headmasters room on a bench for a bit. But this seems systematised.

    Punishment was getting detention. Which wasn't bad - it was an hour to do your homework. The fucker teachers wouldn't let you do it so that was a *really* long hour, but oddly counterproductive as you'd think you were in school to learn.

    I've a real distaste for our education system tho. School batters the independence and enthusiasm out of kids and holds the brightest back :(
  9. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    What's the difference between sitting outside the heads and sitting in a room?
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  10. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

    At secondary school I sat in the headmasters corridor doing my classwork for a weak once as punishment, was expecting to get suspended at the time.
  11. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Isolation. It was embarrasaing sat outside the heads (and never that long).

    What had you done @Embattle?
  12. Yoni

    Yoni Cockb@dger / Klotehommel

    They all need catholic nuns - they put the fear of god in is all - we were punished by a telephone to the ‘rents and normally not going home on one of the weekends we were allowed out each term.... causes mass rebellion however on release ;)
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  13. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

    I was talking to a neighbour/friend who was in the lunch queue but the person next to him kept lightly pushing him so I asked him to stop and he didn't and thought it was wise to try the same with me, thus I punched him and he went flying into the corner of a wooden wall splitting his head open on one side.
  14. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    Yeah you see, today you'd be gone.
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  15. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

    Nowadays I would of been gone many times over.
  16. Job

    Job The Carl Pilkington of Freddyshouse

  17. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    And what does that achieve?
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  18. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    Not a great deal, but in the world of quasi privatised education its much better for schools to get rid rather than spending dwindling resources on trying to deal with it.

    Also it addresses the problem of parents thinking that schools don't do enough to deal with the kid that assaulted/bullied their kid.
  19. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    It's costly disruptive idiocy that pushes the problem elsewhere rather than dealing with it.
  20. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    And my friend, I completely agree.

    This is why I try to raise awareness for the non-public public cuts that the Government are making, and the changes they have that has a huge knock on effect on 'the over all picture'.

    Social Services are being cut to the bone, most stuff just gets ignored until it's referred to the Police. (This is where I get a facepalm from Embattle and Moriath :))

    Education has been overhauled dramatically where essentially we've been told that we need to be a combination of teachers and social services whilst also massively changing GCSEs so they're so much more content heavy, therefore taking time away from asking kids if they're alright to having to spend all your time actually teaching and only doing the 'social services' shit out of a necessity, which isn't prevention.

    Meh, Politics, it's funny when you talk to teachers who have been around for -years- and just respond with 'meh, same old shit, it all goes around in circles, again, we'll eventually we'll realise that education isn't purely about education at all, there will be some big story that changes everything again.'
  21. Job

    Job The Carl Pilkington of Freddyshouse

    Its not just teachers.
    Everyone is being roped into social.issues without an ounce of training, protection or insurance.

    My landlord mate has been told he has to visit all his properties every six months and report any social issues, illegal immigrants, child abuse etc.
    And apparently me going there for the gas check can be one of them.
    What the living fuk.

    Also another mate who fits broadband for bt has been told the same.

    Just utter, idiotic cost savings pushed by numbfuk university pricks with a slim grasp on reality.
  22. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    So if you went on a job and you saw signs of obvious neglect, would you not report it anyway?
  23. Job

    Job The Carl Pilkington of Freddyshouse

    Oh really.
    No context..completely exposing yourself as the backup, quite possibly totally mis reading a situation, putting huge stress and investigations on the family.
    Its not my place to be an arm of the social services wedged into my job.
    Quite obviously I could never visit again and on top of that I put my telephone number and address on the gas form.

    Not a fukin chance.
  24. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    So just to clarify, I said serious signs of neglect, where people will be harmed if they continue to live like that.

    Because if your response is still 'Not a fukin chance.' then I don't even know where to go with that.
  25. Job

    Job The Carl Pilkington of Freddyshouse

    The chances of coming across that situation when turning up for a pre arranged visit is practically zero.
  26. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    No, but I'm asking you if you did come across a situation like that.

    Answer the fucking question.

    And please don't give me an essay with over complicated and incorrectly used words about how liberalism is destroying the planet because we care about people's welfare more than we used to.

    You really are a Victorian.
  27. Job

    Job The Carl Pilkington of Freddyshouse

    Mexico is descending it complete barbarism.

    A young woman was killed by her boyfriend who proceeded to skin her corpse..remove the organs and was caught doing it.

    A national newspaper put the graphic image of her half disected body on the front page with a joke valentine headline of 'It was cupids fault'.

    Wtf is going on.

    Leaked photos of woman's brutal murder by partner with 'It was cupid’s fault' headline spark outrage in Mexico

    Its on 4chan if you want the shock.

    Nsfw or l obviously..they posted this on the FRONT of a national newspaper with a joke.

    /pol/ - >Mexico is a peaceful country - Politically Incorrect - 4chan
  28. caLLous

    caLLous I am a FH squatter

    Finger on the pulse as always, this story was days ago. And you haven't been paying attention at all if you think Mexico is *just* descending into "complete barbarism". Drug cartels have been decapitating each other with chainsaws and hanging rival gang members' wives and children from bridges for years.
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  29. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    Any response then @Job ?
  30. Job

    Job The Carl Pilkington of Freddyshouse

    Er..that was my point, now its so ordinary that the national newspapers thought they could print it on the front page.
    Three days ago..jeez.

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