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[Scouse]

We're talking about the police threatening mainstream media organisations - the London Evening Standard - with investigation by anti-terror squads and prosecution for doing what newspapers are supposed to do.

Your fear of "an enemy" is pushing you into dick-sucking a police state.

Who'd have thunk that George Osborne would be defender of necessary freedoms whilst @Gwadien would like to bend over for the jackboots!

If damage gets caused because people leak bad shit that our governments do that's a *good thing*. Governments shouldn't be doing shit that's bad and hiding it from us.

Or we could just abandon our principles of press freedom because of "mwahhhh the Russians!!!11!11!"... :facepalm:

 

[Wij]

If damage gets caused because people leak bad shit that our governments do that's a *good thing*. Governments shouldn't be doing shit that's bad and hiding it from us.

Just out of interest. What bad shit did our government do here?

More generally they should prosecute the leaker not the press unless the press were actively involved in stealing the info.

 

[dysfunction]

This kinda helps show why it's very important to be generally obstructive to the po-po on the small things @Gwadien @dysfunction.

Not that the police are ill-meaning, but the force functionally attracts authoritarians. Not *nasty* people per-se, just pragmatic people who's objectives are naturally at odds with our freedom.

Part of the practical mechanism that serves as a constant reminder to them not to overstep their bounds (and remember: they still do, every day) is the existence of asshats like the bloke in that video - who, please remember, was technically being harassed by the police for acting in a completely legal manner.

Yes you can stand up to the police in this manner. i don't have an issue with this method as it's constructive.
The other twat was being destructive as he was just there to cause an issue and not resolve one.

It's very different.

 

[Wij]

Ruining a country near you soon: the beta males who think they’re alphas | Marina Hyde

 

[Scouse]

The other twat was being destructive as he was just there to cause an issue and not resolve one.

It's very different.

Disagree strongly. Going about your law-abiding business is not "causing an issue".

Let's be clear on this: if the police didn't regularly overreach their legal powers then there would be nothing to film and no small army of idiots who choose to burn up their lives exposing the police overstepping their mark.

The issue exists because the police casually do stuff they know they shouldn't be doing. If they didn't do that there'd be no films of twats to get angry about.

Your blame lies in the wrong place.

 

[dysfunction]

Disagree strongly. Going about your law-abiding business is not "causing an issue".

Let's be clear on this: if the police didn't regularly overreach their legal powers then there would be nothing to film and no small army of idiots who choose to burn up their lives exposing the police overstepping their mark.

The issue exists because the police casually do stuff they know they shouldn't be doing. If they didn't do that there'd be no films of twats to get angry about.

Your blame lies in the wrong place.

I disagree strongly with you and that's how it will stay.

My blame is not in the wrong place. As the idiot could be doing something he shouldn't be doing. So they go and investigate.
They are doing their job. If they didn't even investigate there would be things said about the police also. On the whole they will let you be if you are doing nothing wrong. Asking a few questions is their job if you are doing something a bit unusual. And you have every right question them if you think they are in the wrong.

Specifically going to a "hot spot" and being a big twat is not constructive. Next minute there will be a law saying you are not allowed to film/photograph sensitive areas like GCHQ.
Just like how you now need a permit to protest outside houses of parliament. People overstepped the mark so the government ups their game.

 

[Wij]

it’s funny cos it’s true:


View: https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1149965212835024896

 

[Scouse]

Just like how you now need a permit to protest outside houses of parliament. People overstepped the mark so the government ups their game.

People didn't "overstep the mark" - they protested outside the houses of parliament and authoritarian asshats decided their legal right of protest upset them so they took away some of our freedoms.

But what's the fucking point in having a freedom if you can't fucking exercise it?

You have to fight to keep your freedoms - your attitude smacks of "please don't make a fuss in case they crack down on us".

It's *our* government. They should do what *we* want, not the other way round.

 

[caLLous]

 

[Wij]

Hey Freedom of the Press advocates!

Does this bother you or does it only bother you when it coincides with certain groups interests?


View: https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1149983119199625218

 

[Scouse]

I can't decipher twatter @Wij. It's too fucking painful. Have you a link to an article I can read?

But just to give you some sort of answer: I believe in the principle of freedom of the press. If something runs counter to that then it's not something I support, clearly.

That's the thing about principles - they apply equally across all examples and although they require a little thought on how you apply them in individual cases the overall aim is to be as consistent with those principles as it is possible to be - even in the face of competing and seemingly contradictory interests.

 

[caLLous]

What a day of sport. Success for Hamilton, agony for Federer and a stunning climax in the cricket. Pity they were all mostly going on at the same time.

 

[dysfunction]

Awesome finish for the cricket. Wow what a way to win.

 

[Wij]

Awesome finish for the cricket. Wow what a way to win.

Was shitting bricks.

 

[Moriath]

Cant believe a weekend of awesome sport and i couldnt watch any of it. Nothing on the Korean channels i had access to. And it was in the middle of the night . But yay lewis and england cricket team

 

[Job]

Been away on an utterly epic 3 day trip across the Pennine way, North Yorkshire with my mate.
Scenery 10/10.

View: https://vimeo.com/348151042

 

[Scouse]

Nice. How did you charge your bike?

We went for a pootle along the coast in Wales this weekend (@DaGaffer'll know where it is):

Spoiler

and then went to look at another total doer-upper here (the white one):

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but suspect it'd be a total money-pit. But still, maybe:

 

[Gwadien]

Nice. How did you charge your bike?

We went for a pootle along the coast in Wales this weekend (@DaGaffer'll know where it is):

Spoiler

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and then went to look at another total doer-upper here (the white one):

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but suspect it'd be a total money-pit. But still, maybe:
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What happened to your other plan?

 

[Job]

B&B..two batteries.

 

[Scouse]

What happened to your other plan?

Agency fucked us over. Put an offer in (because I knew I could make it work) and when I rang back to check what was what they said "she's accepted another offer - why? did you want to put in a counter?"

Well of course. You wanker. Isn't that your job?

 

[Gwadien]

Agency fucked us over. Put an offer in (because I knew I could make it work) and when I rang back to check what was what they said "she's accepted another offer - why? did you want to put in a counter?"

Well of course. You wanker. Isn't that your job?

Sounds like the agency fucked her over more than they fucked you over, lol.

 

[Scouse]

Sounds like the agency fucked her over more than they fucked you over, lol.

Both. And themselves, strangely, considering they get a percentage of sale.

 

[DaGaffer]

Nice. How did you charge your bike?

We went for a pootle along the coast in Wales this weekend (@DaGaffer'll know where it is):

Spoiler

View attachment 40302

and then went to look at another total doer-upper here (the white one):

Spoiler

but suspect it'd be a total money-pit. But still, maybe:
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That Holyhead? I actually don’t know that part of Anglesey that well; I lived at the opposite end (Penmonmawr was the nearest lighthouse to me)

 

[Scouse]

That Holyhead? I actually don’t know that part of Anglesey that well; I lived at the opposite end (Penmonmawr was the nearest lighthouse to me)

Penmon point (opposite Penmanmawr on the mainland) was near to you in Beaumaris.

Yeah - it's South Stack.

 

[DaGaffer]

Penmon point (opposite Penmanmawr on the mainland) was near to you in Beaumaris.

Yeah - it's South Stack.

Oh yeah. 40 years ago. Gimme a break.

 

[Moriath]

Arrest after man in gimp suit scares woman

Someone let @Gwadien out on his own again

 

[Scouse]

Lol

 

[Gwadien]

inb4 @Job really wanted the Tulip Tower built.

Tulip tower plans rejected by London mayor

 

[DaGaffer]

inb4 @Job really wanted the Tulip Tower built.

Tulip tower plans rejected by London mayor

It was a very weird design,, like plonking the Eye of Sauron on the London skyline

 

[Scouse]

It was a very weird design,, like plonking the Eye of Sauron on the London skyline

I quite like it.

We could do with a mishmash of more weird stuff.