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[Embattle]

Untouched 4,400-year-old tomb discovered at Saqqara, Egypt

 

[Job]

Student loans: The £100bn question <- Regarding student loans graph.

If they are still loaning people money to go to an actual building to learn shit in 2050, then we are fucked.
They should be running the entire waste of time down and replacing it with something more suitable for the future.

 

[Gwadien]

If they are still loaning people money to go to an actual building to learn shit in 2050, then we are fucked.
They should be running the entire waste of time down and replacing it with something more suitable for the future.

You mean like the Universities that are building the robots of the future, so people are going to have to learn how to operate the machines and fix them etc.

Yeah, Universities tend to look towards the future.

 

[Job]

Yes..to the income from next years shmucks.

 

[Job]

This will make you feel alive.

It just gets better and better.


View: https://youtu.be/1CR0QmCaMTs

 

[fettoken]

Small people's voice cracks me up.

 

[Gwadien]

People Call For Father Christmas To Be Renamed ‘Person Christmas’


Unilad triggering the Right.

 

[Job]

Rich westerners getting bored..thats all it is.

 

[Gwadien]

Rich westerners getting bored..thats all it is.

No, it's called a Facebook group getting too big for their selves and having to force their selves to stay relevant so they basically turn into the Daily Mail of Facebook.

 

[Gwadien]

Student loan change adds £12bn to deficit

EXCUSE ME

Extra £12billion?

The entire education budget for 5-16 is £39billion.

Each student gets around £5,500 (not including SEN/Poor kid extras)

I'd imagine that funding per student at University level would be FAR less.

I don't understand why we can't make education free, it'd be cheaper and then you can add funding for students from poor backgrounds/black kids etc.

The current system benefits the Universities and nobody else.

 

[Gwadien]

My Rabbit has learnt if he stands on my feet for long enough I'll give him treats

 

[Embattle]

There isn't anything complex about it in reality, £12bn is simply the money the ONS never expects to be paid back thus you have to now account for it differently and voila it gets dumped on to the deficit.

You can't make it free because nothing in education is free, nor should everyone have to pay more tax for a University system that has almost seemingly become an automatic right for everyone....bums on seats.

 

[Gwadien]

There isn't anything complex about it in reality, £12bn is simply the money the ONS never expects to be paid back thus you have to now account for it differently and voila it gets dumped on to the deficit.

You can't make it free because nothing in education is free, nor should everyone have to pay more tax for a University system that has almost seemingly become an automatic right for everyone....bums on seats.

It's not about complex, it's just about having a system that isn't good financially for the tax payer and for the students, because as you say - bums on seats.

If it was free it would mean that the Government would have more of a say in standards and where money is spent rather than just spending money to attract foreign students.

I'm not great at maths, but I'd wager that Universities are probably costing us more per student than school is - and that's fucked up.

Univerisities are pretty much the public sector anyway in terms of waste. I just find it abhorrent that schools are going without teaching staff whilst Universities are having a ball at the expense of YOU.

Btw, I do find it hilarious that your knee-jerk reaction to anything that has a hint of socialism is NO NO NO NO EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL

Edit - If it were down to me, I'd make University free and then still have a Government based loans system for living; Give students lots more money (£9k a year for the poorest student is pretty shit) but then make the repayment rates harsher so they have an idea of reality and that it isn't just free money. That way you don't have thousands of students working in McDonalds all their lives laughing at the tax payer because they've ripped them off £56k.

 

[Embattle]

Btw, I do find it hilarious that your knee-jerk reaction to anything that has a hint of socialism is NO NO NO NO EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL

So I guess by your misguided belief I should say the following......I find it hilarious you believe everything will be solved by it.

 

[Job]

Why not make A levels degrees?
Just say..well you did well enough at Chemistry..you woukd cruise a degree..so lets save everyone the bother and heres the..made up..qualification.
You wont use 10% of what you learnt anyway in any kind of direct way.

 

[Wij]

View: https://twitter.com/mrmarksteel/status/1074594048797786112

 

[Gwadien]

So I guess by your misguided belief I should say the following......I find it hilarious you believe everything will be solved by it.

Haha, if you actually followed what I said, I suggested that it might make even make more economic sense to have free education as opposed to the new model.

I've never actually supported free University education, simply because there's too many bullshit degrees out there, instead there should be a huge reduction of cost/free for 'useful' degrees.

Unlike you, I don't see this as a Tory vs Labour argument of 'We shouldn't have to pay for that' vs 'We should pay for that'. I'm more concerned about the impact that it is having on UK universities, many Universities don't even consider A-levels anymore, simply because they want the money, and don't care what the students get out of it. (Well, apart from employment statistics.)

 

[Embattle]

I should point out since you are rather clueless hence my disparaging comment to yours, my view about universities is pretty much the same.

 

[Ormorof]

All education is free in Finland and students get paid to study, its led to an extremely well educated workforce and an economy bursting with new ideas and tech (nokias demise freed up thousands of smart people from dead end projects), main things holding us back is reliance on paper industry in some areas

 

[Scouse]

All education is free in Finland and students get paid to study, its led to an extremely well educated workforce and an economy bursting with new ideas and tech

This.

 

[Scouse]

Standard disagree there.

No argument, of course, because actual evidence proves the point - both educationally and economically (more self-made billionaires per head of population).

Just "disagree", because "feel that way".

 

[Embattle]

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/giffgaff/status/1074675951328509952?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

 

[Lamp]

90p airtime credit or donation to charity

 

[Bodhi]

Haha, if you actually followed what I said, I suggested that it might make even make more economic sense to have free education as opposed to the new model.

I've never actually supported free University education, simply because there's too many bullshit degrees out there, instead there should be a huge reduction of cost/free for 'useful' degrees.

Unlike you, I don't see this as a Tory vs Labour argument of 'We shouldn't have to pay for that' vs 'We should pay for that'. I'm more concerned about the impact that it is having on UK universities, many Universities don't even consider A-levels anymore, simply because they want the money, and don't care what the students get out of it. (Well, apart from employment statistics.)

Yep, the new model has actually been quite successful in getting additional funding, and more disadvantaged people are going to uni in England, where there are fees than Scotland where there aren't. The repayment fees aren't too onerous (9% Graduate Tax when you are earning over 25k, and finishes when you are 55), and they also mean the public service is being subsidised by those who use it.

However, there is no way that STEM subjects should cost the same as David Beckham or Gender Studies, or whatever other new degree they've made up so that they can say everyone has gone to uni. Surely it would be quite straightforward to set up a list of degrees we need and value, so we can focus subsidies on them. I mean I'm happy if people want to drink away 3 years of their lives learning Klingon, I'd just rather not pay for it. And why should I?

 

[Ormorof]

Yep, the new model has actually been quite successful in getting additional funding, and more disadvantaged people are going to uni in England, where there are fees than Scotland where there aren't. The repayment fees aren't too onerous (9% Graduate Tax when you are earning over 25k, and finishes when you are 55), and they also mean the public service is being subsidised by those who use it.

However, there is no way that STEM subjects should cost the same as David Beckham or Gender Studies, or whatever other new degree they've made up so that they can say everyone has gone to uni. Surely it would be quite straightforward to set up a list of degrees we need and value, so we can focus subsidies on them. I mean I'm happy if people want to drink away 3 years of their lives learning Klingon, I'd just rather not pay for it. And why should I?

In reality those "klingon" degrees subside the STEM ones

 

[Gwadien]

Yep, the new model has actually been quite successful in getting additional funding, and more disadvantaged people are going to uni in England, where there are fees than Scotland where there aren't. The repayment fees aren't too onerous (9% Graduate Tax when you are earning over 25k, and finishes when you are 55), and they also mean the public service is being subsidised by those who use it.

However, there is no way that STEM subjects should cost the same as David Beckham or Gender Studies, or whatever other new degree they've made up so that they can say everyone has gone to uni. Surely it would be quite straightforward to set up a list of degrees we need and value, so we can focus subsidies on them. I mean I'm happy if people want to drink away 3 years of their lives learning Klingon, I'd just rather not pay for it. And why should I?

Additional funding that goes to attracting foreign students and not bettering their courses - as for social mobility? No. When Universities offer shit courses with little or no entry requirement, and all that working class Johnny has been told is that he has to go to University, it's far easier for him to doss about and get on a shit course, because Universities want bums on seats.

My point is - again, is that it doesn't make financial sense, do you really think that I'm going to pay back £64k of debt or what ever it was last I checked? I've currently paid like £200 of it. It doesn't make any logical sense, surely you can see pointlessly raising the fees has just given the Universities more money to the detriment of the tax payer (but told it's okay because they'll pay it all back).

 

[Embattle]

90p airtime credit or donation to charity

Personally I donated as it would have the best collective effect.

 

[dysfunction]

Wow 15 years at Freddys

 

[Job]

The final nail in the coffin for pointless roof panels in the UK .
Feel free if you want to save the planet...youre not but if it makes you feel good...no more taxpayer subsidues to keep the green scam going.
Industry in response..bleats like fuck.

Solar households expected to give away power to energy firms

 

[Gwadien]

The final nail in the coffin for pointless roof panels in the UK .
Feel free if you want to save the planet...youre not but if it makes you feel good...no more taxpayer subsidues to keep the green scam going.
Industry in response..bleats like fuck.

Solar households expected to give away power to energy firms

Ey, looks like your old buddy Sadiq agrees with you!