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[CorNokZ]

Agree 100%.

However, like @Bodhi said - good luck getting the guns off them.

In the meantime action on poverty and education makes a big difference to levels of gun crime death. Obama should be taking action on that. But instead he's moaning on about school shootings - which grab headlines and pulls on heartstrings - but generally come around because of lone ex-bullied or alienated people with mental health issues.

Meanwhile shootings are happening all over the US and there's a proven method of reducing their frequency. But it's not sexy. It's a bit like people here complaining about people jumping on the immigrant bandwagon because of the pictures of that dead kid - but FH users are jumping on the anti-gun bandwagon because of a handful of school shootings whilst ignoring the massive gun-related deaths elsewhere...

You keep going on about how education prevents school shootings.. Can you explain to me why so many of the shootings are done by students on campus of their universities? By people who are already in the educational system, but still shoot up the entire place? I think it would be a great start with some more strict gun policies. If Britain, Australia or Denmark had the same gun policies as the US I'm sure we'd have a bunch of mass shootings too

 

[soze]

Scouse is probably referring to the other 99% of gun crime in the States. I would not struggle to imagine that more than 9 "gang bangers" have been shot and killed today. But the spree killings of Kids gets a lot more attention.

 

[DaGaffer]

Agree 100%.

However, like @Bodhi said - good luck getting the guns off them.

In the meantime action on poverty and education makes a big difference to levels of gun crime death. Obama should be taking action on that. But instead he's moaning on about school shootings - which grab headlines and pulls on heartstrings - but generally come around because of lone ex-bullied or alienated people with mental health issues.

Meanwhile shootings are happening all over the US and there's a proven method of reducing their frequency. But it's not sexy. It's a bit like people here complaining about people jumping on the immigrant bandwagon because of the pictures of that dead kid - but FH users are jumping on the anti-gun bandwagon because of a handful of school shootings whilst ignoring the massive gun-related deaths elsewhere...

You could argue for gun control in the US off the back of the suicide and accident stats alone. You don't need nutcase gunmen to make the argument, but inevitably we only start talking about it on here when such an act hits the headlines; after all, most of us on here aren't living with such a nonsensical gun culture.

 

[Moriath]

My neice pulled her gun on a work collegue who she said was being aggressive towards her. Got sacked ofcourse.

But why would you carry a fire arm to work. Its just crazy. And why people just have a mental break down can just reach into a bag and start shooting.

Yes there is a lot ofother gun related deaths every day of the week. Quite a few by the law enforcement officers.

The whole gun availability is stupid. And coupled with the home defence laws in some parts of the country its just insane.

 

[Scouse]

You keep going on about how education prevents school shootings..

erm...

Scouse is probably referring to the other 99% of gun crime in the States. I would not struggle to imagine that more than 9 "gang bangers" have been shot and killed today. But the spree killings of Kids gets a lot more attention.

This. Quite clearly.

I clearly addressed the school shooting thing in my post?

 

[Raven]

I don't have a problem with home defense laws tbh, if I thought my life or my wife's life was in danger (or my kids, if I had them) I wouldn't hesitate to defend the home with whatever comes to hand, if that was a firearm then so be it. Better them than us.

 

[Bodhi]

My neice pulled her gun on a work collegue who she said was being aggressive towards her. Got sacked ofcourse.

But why would you carry a fire arm to work. Its just crazy. And why people just have a mental break down can just reach into a bag and start shooting.

Yes there is a lot ofother gun related deaths every day of the week. Quite a few by the law enforcement officers.

The whole gun availability is stupid. And coupled with the home defence laws in some parts of the country its just insane.

And that last statement shows the problem with trying to change things in the U.S - bear in mind the States is bigger and has a more diverse population than we do over here in Europe, and we've seen the problem trying to get EU member states to agree on things recently - what California and New York want, will be considerably different to say Alabama or North Dakota.

I don't envy anyone trying to get changes in legislation through over there.

Despite this issue and their interesting approach to job security, it's still a fantastic country, which unlike us over here, they are not afraid to be proud of. Whilst there is a lot the US could learn from us, the same also works in reverse.

 

[Gwadien]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...d-allowances-national-insurance-contributions

I don't get it.

So if you earn more, you pay less NI?

Is this because they assume you have private health, or is it because they feel sorry for you because you're being taxed loads already?

 

[Moriath]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...d-allowances-national-insurance-contributions

I don't get it.

So if you earn more, you pay less NI?

Is this because they assume you have private health, or is it because they feel sorry for you because you're being taxed loads already?

As far as i am aware if you are employed you pay around 9% no matter how much you earn.

 

[Scouse]

it's still a fantastic country, which unlike us over here, they are not afraid to be proud of.

I agree with a lot of what you say but I think their pride in their country is one of the things they should feel shame over.

A lot of their other stuff I'm very impressed by but the pride is painfully awful...

 

[Scouse]

I don't get it.

It's because NI isn't a "tax" so to speak.



Edit:

As far as i am aware if you are employed you pay around 9% no matter how much you earn.

Read provided links before commenting someday? I know it's a shocking expectation and all...

 

[Moriath]

It's because NI isn't a "tax" so to speak.



Edit:

Read provided links before commenting someday? I know it's a shocking expectation and all...

I did and didnt understand it so gave what i understood. Ok

 

[Gwadien]

I did and didnt understand it so gave what i understood. Ok

Read it

Don't understand it

Say something which is no-where near to what the proof is saying.

Interesting.

 

[Moriath]

As an employee, you pay National Insurance contributions if you earn more than £155 a week. The amount you pay is 12% of your earnings above that limit and up to £815 a week (for 2015 to 2016). The rate drops to 2% of your earnings over that amount]

Thats clearer

It used to be ring fenced for the nhs. But i think actually these days its all lumped into the same money for government to spend pot

 

[Trem]

A lot of their other stuff I'm very impressed by but the pride is painfully awful...

Yeah, be proud of your country but do it silently and with dignity. Everytime I hear some Yanks whooping or chanting U.S.A over some silly little thing it makes me want to puke.

It's also about time they admitted it isn't *their* country that they are so proud of.

 

[Bodhi]

I agree with a lot of what you say but I think their pride in their country is one of the things they should feel shame over.

A lot of their other stuff I'm very impressed by but the pride is painfully awful...

Think we will agree to disagree on that one, as I really don't see the issue in being proud of where you're from. For instance when we were driving back from the customer last week to the airport, the freeway suddenly stopped - the police had blocked it off so 200 or so Vietnam veterans on Harley Davidsons motored out of the service station with POW MIA flags, obviously out of respect to the guys they left behind. The attitude to people on the freeway was awesome, lots of waving, people on bridges cheering, all round great to see whatever your thoughts on the conflict itself.

OK they do overdo it sometimes (but then that is the American way), but Patriotism I really don't have an issue with. Nationalism however, is a completely different story....

Another state has also just legalised weed, so they aren't all daft.

 

[Bodhi]

It's because NI isn't a "tax" so to speak.



Edit:

Read provided links before commenting someday? I know it's a shocking expectation and all...

Do I read it right that if you pay into a Company Pension you get a rebate?

 

[Bodhi]

Yeah, be proud of your country but do it silently and with dignity. Everytime I hear some Yanks whooping or chanting U.S.A over some silly little thing it makes me want to puke.

It's also about time they admitted it isn't *their* country that they are so proud of.

I can see that my dear but the problem is - the Yanks don't do silent and dignified. Give em another 100 years or so they'll soon become civilised

 

[Moriath]

Do I read it right that if you pay into a Company Pension you get a rebate?

You could opt out of the national pension scheme and you would pay less. Some companies pensions are in addition to the national state pension. Some were instead of. Depends which yours is.

 

[Trem]

The 'nam thing is a bit sad as well chum, weren't they all outcasts and hated when they first got back because they lost the war? I think it's only Hollywood that's changed the American public's view on it all.

Edit -post was for @Bodhi because bloody @Moriath interrupted our flow

 

[Scouse]

Yeah, be proud of your country but do it silently and with dignity.

Agree, and with the caveat that you can evidentially find a lot more to be proud of than you can to feel shame about.

 

[Scouse]

Do I read it right that if you pay into a Company Pension you get a rebate?

There's all sorts of laws that the tories have brought in that say if you own a company you can pay practically zero tax. I think company pensions are one of the fiddles, but I don't have one. A pension, that is.

 

[Bodhi]

The 'nam thing is a bit sad as well chum, weren't they all outcasts and hated when they first got back because they lost the war? I think it's only Hollywood that's changed the American public's view on it all.

Edit -post was for @Bodhi because bloody @Moriath interrupted our flow

The Nam war was interesting for me as by all accounts it could have been easily won, but the Generals got nervous about the protests back home, dithered and both sides ended up entrenched for another few years, making the death toll much larger than it should have been. Yet those who fought and died were treated as outcasts initially, until Hollywood redressed the balance.

 

[Bodhi]

There's all sorts of laws that the tories have brought in that say if you own a company you can pay practically zero tax. I think company pensions are one of the fiddles, but I don't have one. A pension, that is.

I do, but it's not my Company, I'm PAYE. I'll assume I was looking at the wrong bit then

 

[Bodhi]

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/01/opinion/the-war-we-could-have-won.html?_r=0

Worth a read.

 

[DaGaffer]

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/01/opinion/the-war-we-could-have-won.html?_r=0

Worth a read.

It's been pretty well known that the Americans could have finished the whole thing off by the mid-sixties if they'd been allowed to fight an offensive war. The yanks didn't lose a single major battle in Vietnam, but still lost the war. Go figure.

 

[Gwadien]

Guy on my Facebook, thought it was worth sharing;

I want it to be known that the Canada National men's rugby team cannot even finish their pizza. You think you're tough with your huge biceps and incredible facial hair? Come back when you can finish a large pan meat feast.

Also, they order tap water and help themselves to Pepsi. And they don't tip.

But apart from that they're OK.

 

[Scouse]

Go figure.

Sold an awful lot of weapons tho eh?

 

[Gwadien]

I find it interesting that our media enjoys to focus on ISIS more than the Assad Regime, perhaps because it's agreed in the 'respectable' powers that they are the bad guys, even though;

“When I joined the Syrian army, there was no war yet. I just wanted to serve my country. But now everyone is forced to do horrible things. One time we were marching and a single bullet came from a village. Our commander told us to go into each house, one by one, and kill everyone inside. The village was a Sunni village, so our commander ordered all the Sunni soldiers to lead the attack. Anyone who disobeyed would be killed themselves. We did our best to aim over the heads of the people who were running away, but forty people were killed. A few nights later I fled in the middle of the night.” (Lesvos, Greece)

(HONY)

 

[Trem]

I'm so bored of ISIS now, they want this publicity. Fuck 'em.