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[Job]

I've posted this before, OK bring in cheaper workforce, but the jobs they tend to push out are low pay...so those people go on benefits because they can't get work or the dole pays better.
The wifes ex couldn't get a single days work for two years as a joiner, the government paid his mortgage the entire time plus the dole.
It's just moving money around.

 

[Gwadien]

I've posted this before, OK bring in cheaper workforce, but the jobs they tend to push out are low pay...so those people go on benefits because they can't get work or the dole pays better.
The wifes ex couldn't get a single days work for two years as a joiner, the government paid his mortgage the entire time plus the dole.
It's just moving money around.

Also low skilled jobs.

We live in a throw away cheap society, people would rather pay fuck all for a shit job of a Pole than alot of money for a pedigree Brit to do a 'proper' job - Or is it that the work they do is exactly the same?

You can't expect an absolute fuck load of money for an industry where there's lots of competition, that's how it works.

If your wife's ex was clever, he'd understand that he knows how to be a joiner, and he also knows Poles are cheap labour - start your own business.

 

[Gwadien]

BOMB THEM BOMB THEM BOMB THEM

 

[Ormorof]

As has been pointed out, if you are edged out of a job by an immigrant with no skills, education, language skills or connections then maybe you should have stayed in school or worked a bit harder for the work

 

[Job]

He is a time served joiner, fits out shops for major chains and private clubs...the Polish took practically every job, doing it just good enough for 2/3rds of the pay.
They wouldn't even touch UK workers if the accepted less pay...the discrimination was rife and no one did anything about it.

 

[Gwadien]

He is a time served joiner, fits out shops for major chains and private clubs...the Polish took practically every job, doing it just good enough for 2/3rds of the pay.
They wouldn't even touch UK workers if the accepted less pay...the discrimination was rife and no one did anything about it.

If he's not been given jobs at the same price of the Poles then maybe the Poles aren't actually doing a bad job?

 

[Job]

Anyway this is turning into the argument sketch.


Found the bastard after my pills a fucking mutant cockroach..3 inches long plus the antenni, it was too big for me to put a pint glass over, chased it out the door, it ran at like 100mph under door across corridor...heard no screams...job done.

 

[Gwadien]

Anyway this is turning into the argument sketch.


Found the bastard after my pills a fucking mutant cockroach..3 inches long plus the antenni, it was too big for me to put a pint glass over, chased it out the door, it ran at like 100mph under door across corridor...heard no screams...job done.

So you're giving up?

Okay.

I win.

@TdC I'll let you be the decider.

I think you should stop using everything you own @Job because it comes from China most likely, because a British person could make it, but you wouldn't be able to afford it.

 

[fettoken]

If he's not been given jobs at the same price of the Poles then maybe the Poles aren't actually doing a bad job?

No you haven't really got a clue on this one Gwad. First off, they don't have the same education in which standards are accepted in for example, Sweden compared to Poland. So, only less serious companies actually choose to hire these peeps. Many examples of these houses and apartments in Stockholm that needs to be demolished or refurbished due to their shitty standards and lack of control back in the days.

Now, i know you and job are arguing the 'they took our juuuubz' point, which i won't get into.

 

[Gwadien]

No you haven't really got a clue on this one Gwad. First off, they don't have the same education in which standards are accepted in for example, Sweden compared to Poland. So, only less serious companies actually choose to hire these peeps. Many examples of these houses and apartments in Stockholm that needs to be demolished or refurbished due to their shitty standards and lack of control back in the days.

Now, i know you and job are arguing the 'they took our juuuubz' point, which i won't get into.

I was responding to Job actually, my response was to you in the UK we wouldn't get shit done without them, because we need a migrant workforce.

My point to Job was that if this guy is offering to do the same work as the Poles for the same price then surely the Poles are doing a superior job.

I demand an apology

 

[TdC]

afaik in the real world people want jobs done "just good enough" at the "least possible cost". I get a massive bollocking off my boss if I spend a minute longer on some project than the agreed requirements dictate. actually it's the good old triangle of "done well, done quickly, done cheaply". You only get to pick two

 

[Job]

They want migrants because they put up with more shit...are less likely to complain about dodgy working conditions and are desperate for work....basically they are on the spectrum if exploited labour.

 

[Gwadien]

They want migrants because they put up with more shit...are less likely to complain about dodgy working conditions and are desperate for work....basically they are on the spectrum if exploited labour.

Because the Chinese have wonderful working conditions.

It's only fair in a global market.

 

[Raven]

No, its because they turn up on time, do a better job, quicker and cheaper. Most UK trades turn up at 10, start working at 10.30 then bugger off at 4.

 

[Edmond]

2 extremes here, my first job when I was earning pennies as I was only 17, my boss said to me one day that I was too consciences in my work and that I didn't need to do such a good job?

The other side of that is that we quoted a job a few years ago and the guy said he wouldn't use us as we were to competitive???

I asked him would he like me to add a few grand to the quote to make it seem more reasonable, he didn't appreciate that. Now I could understand if he hadn't seen our workmanship (which Is above par, even if I say so myself) but he was recommended to us by his next door neighbour who we had just spent a whole week changing all his windows and doors, and he had a good look around and liked it

The irony is that the company he went with buys all their products from the same supplier as us, and they use subbies to do the work, but he felt he was getting a better job done by paying nearly a third more than our price.

His neighbour couldn't believe it

 

[DaGaffer]

No you haven't really got a clue on this one Gwad. First off, they don't have the same education in which standards are accepted in for example, Sweden compared to Poland. So, only less serious companies actually choose to hire these peeps. Many examples of these houses and apartments in Stockholm that needs to be demolished or refurbished due to their shitty standards and lack of control back in the days.

Now, i know you and job are arguing the 'they took our juuuubz' point, which i won't get into.

That's just nonsense. Building regulations don't care who builds a building,. Show me evidence of an actual building that was pulled down because Poles built it.

 

[Edmond]

No, its because they turn up on time, do a better job, quicker and cheaper. Most UK trades turn up at 10, start working at 10.30 then bugger off at 4.

We're at the customers house no later than 8.30 and we don't start packing up till at least 4. But as a trade you need to get away at that time to unload and load for the next day and to miss the traffic

 

[Raven]

There is the too competitive angle.

I had various firms come in to tender for our office refurb.

1 lot quoted 45k
1 lot quoted 100k
and the 3rd lot quoted 150k

The 45k one got binned immedietly, there is just no way he could have done it that cheap and I got rid of him pretty much the same day he sent over his tender.

 

[DaGaffer]

He is a time served joiner, fits out shops for major chains and private clubs...the Polish took practically every job, doing it just good enough for 2/3rds of the pay.
They wouldn't even touch UK workers if the accepted less pay...the discrimination was rife and no one did anything about it.

So the Poles charge 2/3 of the price and all the Brits have given up to become taxi drivers on half the money? Well its fairly obvious why they went into the building trade rather than accountancy.

 

[Raven]

We're at the customers house no later than 8.30 and we don't start packing up till at least 4. But as a trade you need to get away at that time to unload and load for the next day and to miss the traffic

Aye some are good, I know ours are and so are our subbies, a mixture of UK people and a couple of poles.

 

[Edmond]

There is the too competitive angle.

I had various firms come in to tender for our office refurb.

1 lot quoted 45k
1 lot quoted 100k
and the 3rd lot quoted 150k

The 45k one got binned immedietly, there is just no way he could have done it that cheap and I binned him pretty much the same day he sent over his tender.

I agree, but your talkin £45k and I'm talking £6k and the product is the same, I'm sure you wouldn't have got the same stuff at £45k as the guys quoting £100k?

 

[Gwadien]

I agree, but your talkin £45k and I'm talking £6k and the product is the same, I'm sure you wouldn't have got the same stuff at £45k as the guys quoting £100k?

Exactly, people think more money means better quality.

Sometimes its true, sometimes its not, but you have to earn the reputation of being a company that charges loads but is a different grade to other companies, then you're on big dollar.

 

[Raven]

Its toilets, staff kitchen, boardroom and reception refurbishment, plus a few corridors here and there and we were quite specific with what we wanted. Its quite annoying really as I really liked the guy, he spent half a day measuring up and seemed really enthusiastic.

 

[Gwadien]

It's a bit like why Agencies like to have Eastern Europeans, because if they sent a British person to a factory, they'll be more likely to moan about what they're doing, then you have an upset client, why go through that bother?

 

[Raven]

I keep telling our warehouse manager to get a Pole in, we go though UK school leavers like anything, they are always late, they piss and moan about doing the job they are employed to do and they get it wrong all too often. Its picking and packing of pretty light weight goods, anything heaving gets forklifted. That's the job, as advertised.

 

[Shagrat]

I keep telling our warehouse manager to get a Pole in, we go though UK school leavers like anything, they are always late, they piss and moan about doing the job they are employed to do and they get it wrong all too often. Its picking and packing of pretty light weight goods, anything heaving gets forklifted. That's the job, as advertised.

you see I've never understood this sense of entitlement that some people seem to have. This whole this job is beneath me schtick.

I've done loads of shit jobs in my time, summer jobs in factories cleaning all the felt dust from the building etc. pot wash, shelf stacking in supermarkets. Did I really want those jobs, fuck no, but I've always thought it was better to be doing something, you can stick it on your CV, your meeting new people, and your setting an example for your kids.

I manage a couple of departments of a local authority now, and if I'm advertising jobs I'd much sooner employ someone who's got a few jobs on his CV that at least show they've been doing something and they've managed to link that work to what they are applying for somehow (which you can always do if your creative enough) than have a massive 1-2 year+ gap in your CV because the perfect job wasn't waiting for you and you'd sooner play xbox.

 

[Job]

Well that was then and now he's working again...because..guess what..the Poles want more money and they tend to flit from one job to the next and they can't track them down to fix faults...so they rehire British guys again with more stable lives who will honour contracts and return to sort out problems...in other words the things they were paying extra for, he's back working full time and the first six months was going around sorting niggling problems that never got sorted by migrant workers cos they were off to the next quick buck.

 

[Edmond]

you see I've never understood this sense of entitlement that some people seem to have. This whole this job is beneath me schtick.

I've done loads of shit jobs in my time, summer jobs in factories cleaning all the felt dust from the building etc. pot wash, shelf stacking in supermarkets. Did I really want those jobs, fuck no, but I've always thought it was better to be doing something, you can stick it on your CV, your meeting new people, and your setting an example for your kids.

I manage a couple of departments of a local authority now, and if I'm advertising jobs I'd much sooner employ someone who's got a few jobs on his CV that at least show they've been doing something and they've managed to link that work to what they are applying for somehow (which you can always do if your creative enough) than have a massive 1-2 year+ gap in your CV because the perfect job wasn't waiting for you and you'd sooner play xbox.

Had a guy working for me a few years ago and I offered him some Saturday work, which he would've earned £80 cash, but he sometimes worked on a Saturday for a car valeter who would give him £100

He said 'well Dave gives me £100 for a Saturday' and I asked if he had work with Dave that weekend, he said no, so I said 'So you rather not work because you'll earn £80 instead of £100?'

'Yes' he says. WTF goes through their heads??

He has since had about 6 jobs in the 3 years he left me and he just lost the one he is currently in

 

[TdC]

2 extremes here, my first job when I was earning pennies as I was only 17, my boss said to me one day that I was too consciences in my work and that I didn't need to do such a good job?

The other side of that is that we quoted a job a few years ago and the guy said he wouldn't use us as we were to competitive???

I asked him would he like me to add a few grand to the quote to make it seem more reasonable, he didn't appreciate that. Now I could understand if he hadn't seen our workmanship (which Is above par, even if I say so myself) but he was recommended to us by his next door neighbour who we had just spent a whole week changing all his windows and doors, and he had a good look around and liked it

The irony is that the company he went with buys all their products from the same supplier as us, and they use subbies to do the work, but he felt he was getting a better job done by paying nearly a third more than our price.

His neighbour couldn't believe it

it's a psychological thing Ed me old bean: if your quote is spot on or below expected pricing, the customer could construe it as dodgy. I.e they'll think that you must be shaving off quality -in work or products used- to arrive at a lower price point. It's strange, I know. Pricing is something I've never understood tbh. Thank fuck I'm not in sales!

 

[Edmond]

it's a psychological thing Ed me old bean: if your quote is spot on or below expected pricing, the customer could construe it as dodgy. I.e they'll think that you must be shaving off quality -in work or products used- to arrive at a lower price point. It's strange, I know. Pricing is something I've never understood tbh. Thank fuck I'm not in sales!

I agree. I myself would look at a lower than average quote and wonder why, but the fact the guy saw our work and his next door neighbour sang our praises still didn't convince him.

Can't win them all