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[old.Tohtori]

Interesting mix of sex-offender-asylum-seekers you got going on here folks

 

[Moriath]

I disagree, as I say, my friends family claim they came because they were practically fleeing a nation who didn't necessarily like them, a lot stayed yes, but arguably, that's like the whites in South Africa after the ANC got into power - they left voluntarily, but maybe not willingly.

The initial independence wave meant that you could trade your British passport for a Kenyan passport, but after that some Indians kept their British passport, but decided to stay in Kenya, after that there were some reprisals.

My point is, that they came to this country in the same respect that Somalians come to this country today - with relatively nothing and we welcomed them, and let them live in the UK and make a living for their selves, I find it highly hypocritical when an 'immigrant' says that we shouldn't allow asylum seekers.

Hmm welcomed them. I don't know what planet you are on but the abuse and racism that happened in the 50-80s before anti racism laws came in can hardly be called welcoming.

Watch the tv of the time like Alf Garnet and rising damp too I think.

 

[TdC]

 

[Raven]

Alf Garnet wasn't racist. He purposely made a mockery of racism and racists. So did rising damp.

 

[Gwadien]

Hmm welcomed them. I don't know what planet you are on but the abuse and racism that happened in the 50-80s before anti racism laws came in can hardly be called welcoming.

Watch the tv of the time like Alf Garnet and rising damp too I think.

Welcomed them as much as Somalians are welcomed, I mean, we allow them in the country.

 

[Gwadien]

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I like our little public private story, you've pretty much ruined it.

Much like your avatar probably ruined you.

RUINED

 

[TdC]

SEXFACE!!!!1

 

[DaGaffer]

No necessarily. They may have come with skilled jobs or just normal immigration. Not heard of many Indians or Kenyans seeking asylum.

I know several Ugandan Indians who's families came over in the 70s. There are lots of "coloureds" (as the South Africans called them) who came to the UK after working for the Empire in Africa who were forced out of African countries after decolonisation.

 

[Gwadien]

I know several Ugandan Indians who's families came over in the 70s. There are lots of "coloureds" (as the South Africans called them) who came to the UK after working for the Empire in Africa who were forced out of African countries after decolonisation.

Indeed.

Their position in African countries was not as low as the Africans, but not as high as the Whites, so the Africans still saw them as superior, meaning they felt bitter towards them.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Which is better; snack sized bite, or bite sized snack?

 

[Scouse]

Which is better; snack sized bite, or bite sized snack?

Bite sized snack. If you only take a snack sized bite out of a bigger thing and you love it then you're tempted to have more.

Either have a snack or have a meal

 

[Moriath]

Alf Garnet wasn't racist. He purposely made a mockery of racism and racists. So did rising damp.

Yes but you never see them repeated because of the language used

 

[Raven]

That's because you modern day hand wringer is too dumb to understand them.

 

[Raven]

Ops, not you...Your*

 

[old.Tohtori]

Bite sized snack. If you only take a snack sized bite out of a bigger thing and you love it then you're tempted to have more.

Either have a snack or have a meal

I'm kind of in a similar opinion, though for other reasons. I find a bite sized snack to be better in convinience(carrying, storage, whatnot). Also seems they're cheaper these days as they're sold in bulk.

 

[Scouse]

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdPXl7uPWGM

 

[Ormorof]

Damn polish and bulgarians coming here with their useful economic contributions!

http://m.bbc.com/news/business-29910497

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Ch3tan]

I disagree, as I say, my friends family claim they came because they were practically fleeing a nation who didn't necessarily like them, a lot stayed yes, but arguably, that's like the whites in South Africa after the ANC got into power - they left voluntarily, but maybe not willingly.

The initial independence wave meant that you could trade your British passport for a Kenyan passport, but after that some Indians kept their British passport, but decided to stay in Kenya, after that there were some reprisals.

My point is, that they came to this country in the same respect that Somalians come to this country today - with relatively nothing and we welcomed them, and let them live in the UK and make a living for their selves, I find it highly hypocritical when an 'immigrant' says that we shouldn't allow asylum seekers.

My mate said....

Try first hand experience, both my parents and their extended families came to the UK from Kenya int he 60's and 70's.

You haven't a clue what you are on about.

My dad's parents stayed in Kenya because they had a very good life there and didn't feel under pressure to leave.

I am not saying some didn't leave because they felt their way of life was under threat, but comparing it to asylum is ridiculous. It was a side effect of the end of Empire.

 

[Ch3tan]

Disagree all you want, you are still talking shit Gwad.

 

[Gwadien]

Disagree all you want, you are still talking shit Gwad.

I disagree, because I think you're wrong, I would attempt to engage you in a proper debate, but because it's personal to you, all you'll do is repeat the same thing and say I'm talking shit.

To use the crude American explanation of why people migrate, I think there was more 'push' factors in the reason why Indians left Africa than 'pull' factors.

 

[Ch3tan]

You won't argue because you used a ridiculous analogy and are no back tracking.

 

[DaGaffer]

My mate said....

Try first hand experience, both my parents and their extended families came to the UK from Kenya int he 60's and 70's.

You haven't a clue what you are on about.

My dad's parents stayed in Kenya because they had a very good life there and didn't feel under pressure to leave.

I am not saying some didn't leave because they felt their way of life was under threat, but comparing it to asylum is ridiculous. It was a side effect of the end of Empire.

Kenya achieved independence from Britain in 1963, and thereafter followed a period of volatility in African and Asian relations. Asians, along with Europeans, were given two years to acquire Kenyan citizenship which in turn would renounce their British passports. Out of approximately 180,000 Asians and 42,000 Europeans in Kenya at the time, fewer than 20,000 had submitted their applications by the deadline.[5]This in turn lead to growing animosity and distrust from Africans, and those who failed to take up Kenyan citizenship were deemed disloyal by their fellow countrymen.[6]

Those without Kenyan citizenship soon became subject to increasing discrimination by the ruling government. Asians in the civil service were sacked in favour of Africans, the Kenyan Immigration Act 1967 required them to acquire work permits, whilst a Trade Licensing Act passed in the same year limited the areas of the country in which non-Kenyans could engage in trade.[7]In the late 1960s and early 1970s, faced with a dim future in Africa, many Asians choose to utilise their British passport and settle in the United Kingdom. There are now sizeable communities of Kenyan Asians in London andLeicester.

Kind of thing that would be legitimate grounds for asylum in 2014...

 

[Gwadien]

Kind of thing that would be legitimate grounds for asylum in 2014...

*pushes DaGaffer forward & grins at Ch3t*

 

[fettoken]

Ops, not you...Your*

Your....face!

 

[BloodOmen]

Mate I used to go to school with (the guy)

 

[Bodhi]

Damn polish and bulgarians coming here with their useful economic contributions!

http://m.bbc.com/news/business-29910497

Sadly the same report also points out that non-EU migrants cost us an absolute bloody fortune (£120 billion iirc). Not that I think migration is a bad thing (far from it in fact), but uncontrolled immigration? Not such a great idea, mainly as it gives frothing mouth breathing Nationalists (UKIP, SNP, BNP etc) a stick to beat everyone with.

 

[Scouse]

uncontrolled immigration?

Freedom of movement is part of the cost of not going to war.

Instead of invading each others countries and killing each other we're pissed off that they make better plumbers than us...

 

[Bodhi]

Freedom of movement is part of the cost of not going to war.

Instead of invading each others countries and killing each other we're pissed off that they make cheaper plumbers than us...

Fixed m8!!

Seriously though, half these problems are of our own doing, as it's given the feckless and lazy people in our society a good excuse to continue to be feckless and lazy. Those dirty immigrants are just taking the jobs that us Brits feel we are above, which is more of a reflection on us than them if you ask me.

I will admit I do want us out of the EU, but it has nothing to do with immigration whatsoever, it's more the unaccountable, unelected lot in Brussels pissing everyone's money up the wall making Europe uncompetitive I have issues with.

 

[DaGaffer]

Sadly the same report also points out that non-EU migrants cost us an absolute bloody fortune (£120 billion iirc). Not that I think migration is a bad thing (far from it in fact), but uncontrolled immigration? Not such a great idea, mainly as it gives frothing mouth breathing Nationalists (UKIP, SNP, BNP etc) a stick to beat everyone with.

Except, it doesn't because the 120bn excludes any tax or ni contributions that group made pre-1995.