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[Gwadien]

Imperial shouldn't be enforced, it's practical use, my Grandma would be pissed if I didn't have a rough idea on my Imperial measurements, I don't recall being taught it in school, (Even in distance, which is quite bizarre.)

It should stay that way too, education isn't just from schools, parents should be teaching their kids the 'important' stuff.

 

[Madmaxx]

 

[Raven]

Imperial shouldn't be enforced, it's practical use, my Grandma would be pissed if I didn't have a rough idea on my Imperial measurements, I don't recall being taught it in school, (Even in distance, which is quite bizarre.)

It should stay that way too, education isn't just from schools, parents should be teaching their kids the 'important' stuff.

Ha, Parents, teach? They barely even communicate with them these days, that's what nannies and pre school is for.

 

[Gwadien]

Ha, Parents, teach? They barely even communicate with them these days, that's what nannies and pre school is for.

Exactly, that's the problem today, we seem to be offloading so much onto formal education, and it's getting ridiculous, some kids go into school at the age of 5ish unable to read and the vast majority of parents are like 'that's your job, innit'

Just ask @russell

 

[Ormorof]

Ha, Parents, teach? They barely even communicate with them these days, that's what nannies and pre school is for.

while the elite play golf!!!

i spent years living in the UK baffled by the imperial system, after 11 years i left and came to the conclusion that most british people also have no idea how it works (even people i met who champion it and claim its superiority in all things)

oh and yes i go to a butcher and ask for steak in grams because if i asked for a 8oz steak no one would have any idea what i was asking for, not me, the butcher or any of the measuring equipment they use, thats what happens when the old system is gone long enough

 

[Raven]

That's another one, golf uses yards as a measurement, so does football...damn elitist sports!

 

[Gwadien]

That's another one, golf uses yards as a measurement, so does football...damn elitist sports!

Do dutty foriners also use yards?

 

[Raven]

No, the filth use metric only.

That's why it is such a big issue. He is only saying it to appease Euro sceptics, its doesn't actually mean anything but will give them a hard on for a bit and might stop the rats leaving the ship for UKIP.

 

[Gwadien]

No, the filth use metric only.

That's why it is such a big issue. He is only saying it to appease Euro sceptics, its doesn't actually mean anything but will give them a hard on for a bit and might stop the rats leaving the ship for UKIP.

I would've thought that the Tories aren't truly bothered about UKIP, because I'd wager that more damage is being caused to Labour than it is to the Torys, which is a joke, since although UKIP present their selves as a gap between the Tories and Labour, they make the Tories look like the Bolsheviks.

 

[Raven]

Nah, a UKIP vote is a lost Tory vote. We could end up with another dark period of having a labour government, the worst possible outcome imaginable as we come out of recession.

 

[Gwadien]

Nah, a UKIP vote is a lost Tory vote. We could end up with another dark period of having a labour government, the worst possible outcome imaginable as we come out of recession.

I'd say a UKIP Government would be worse than a Labour Government - but I think it's unfair to treat Labour because of their past (Although it's reasonable to do so.) I really don't think they'll fuck up, you don't hate on the Tory Government because of Thatchers mistakes do you?

 

[Moriath]

while the elite play golf!!!

i spent years living in the UK baffled by the imperial system, after 11 years i left and came to the conclusion that most british people also have no idea how it works (even people i met who champion it and claim its superiority in all things)

oh and yes i go to a butcher and ask for steak in grams because if i asked for a 8oz steak no one would have any idea what i was asking for, not me, the butcher or any of the measuring equipment they use, thats what happens when the old system is gone long enough

I just go up to the counter and say i want a steak thats ya thick please mr ... and hold me thumb and finger at the apropriate distance.

No idea what grams are really .. much prefer lbs and oz .. i weigh myself in stones and im 6'4" tall. I measure miles to the gallon and miles for distance.

Metric was good for money tho .. working things in 12ths must have been a pain .. with shillings and pence

 

[Raven]

I'd say a UKIP Government would be worse than a Labour Government - but I think it's unfair to treat Labour because of their past (Although it's reasonable to do so.) I really don't think they'll fuck up, you don't hate on the Tory Government because of Thatchers mistakes do you?

In reality she made few mistakes. She saw what was happening and acted accordingly. She shut a lot of industry down before it dragged the rest of the country down. There was absolutely no way on earth we could compete with other emerging markets.

Labour will just bloat the public sector again in an effort to buy votes.

 

[Moriath]

I'd say a UKIP Government would be worse than a Labour Government - but I think it's unfair to treat Labour because of their past (Although it's reasonable to do so.) I really don't think they'll fuck up, you don't hate on the Tory Government because of Thatchers mistakes do you?

no chance there would be a ukip governement .. but the more ukip votes there are the less tory votes .. I think Raven was prefering a Tory to a labour government ... as I do .. spend spend spend till everythings gone then ditch it to the other team to dig you out of the hole oyu created

 

[Scouse]

We could end up with another dark period of having a labour government, the worst possible outcome imaginable as we come out of recession.

I dunno - or another Tory government that'll take us out of the EU and the horrendous terror of repealing of the human rights act and removal from the ECHR which is the only thin line stopping us getting raped by our own government.

Theresa May is Himmler in the making. She's already said she wants to curb more freedom of speech by bringing in more laws that are, and I quote, directed at those who stay "just within the law".

So official Tory policy is to curb freedom of speech even more.

Honestly, I don't give a fuck whether their economics is good or bad compared to anyone else's - but the removal of the UK from the Human Rights act - which was set up after WWII to stop our governments doing exactly what they're doing - is the single biggest issue as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Raven]

I don't disagree, I don't much want another Tory government tbh. Out of them and Labour then it is Tory every day of the week. The two main parties are happy with 30% turnout (Or whatever pathetic amount it was) because so long as they get enough percentage of that turnout they are sorted.

If there was real alternatives and mandatory voting then they would have to actually appeal to more of the population, as opposed to getting in with ~15% of the population voting them in.

Not voting is actually exactly what they want, better a non voter than an opposition vote.

If everyone who didn't vote because they couldn't decide which wanker to vote for instead spoiled their ballot then politics would be the laughing stock that it should be (in its current form).

 

[Moriath]

I think the human rights act goes too far the other way and gives rights it was never meant to. To prisoners for example. so repealling that would be a good thing imo. Replacing it with something that is less open to abuse would be a good thing .. and not having the european courts to over turn uk judgements would be great too.

Comparing the tory governement in any way shape or form to Nazi Germany is completely wrong in my opinion and the sooner we get the defecite under control the better.

 

[Gwadien]

In reality she made few mistakes. She saw what was happening and acted accordingly. She shut a lot of industry down before it dragged the rest of the country down. There was absolutely no way on earth we could compete with other emerging markets.

Labour will just bloat the public sector again in an effort to buy votes.

Again?

Sorry.

The Tories have removed front line staff in a bit to 'cut waste' but left all their rich buddies in the wasteful middle management positions.

They've done an excellent job.

I think the human rights act goes too far the other way and gives rights it was never meant to. To prisoners for example. so repealling that would be a good thing imo. Replacing it with something that is less open to abuse would be a good thing .. and not having the european courts to over turn uk judgements would be great too.

Comparing the tory governement in any way shape or form to Nazi Germany is completely wrong in my opinion and the sooner we get the defecite under control the better.

Chairman Mao wasn't anything like Communist Russia either, he swore to god!

 

[Scouse]

mandatory voting then they would have to actually appeal to more of the population

How can you not see that that's ridiculous.

If you have to vote then why would they even campaign? Why do you think there's a connection there?

It's not working in facist australia - who's PM has openly twisted the Benjamin Franklin line on Freedom:

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

Whereas Tony Abbot said that the balance between liberty and security will have to shift to the incovenience of the masses...

Mandatory voting is bullshit. At least without it you can see, through voter apathy, how people feel about the current system.

 

[Raven]

They have made much needed cuts throughout, yes they have created some utterly useless positions (Police commissioners for example) but they have got rid of a lot of dead wood in the public sector...and surprisingly employment numbers have actually gone up (but that may be a pirates/global warming thing)

 

[Gwadien]

They have made much needed cuts throughout, yes they have created some utterly useless positions (Police commissioners for example) but they have got rid of a lot of dead wood in the public sector...and surprisingly employment numbers have actually gone up (but that may be a pirates/global warming thing)

The Tories have also changed the Education system where Teaching Assistant level/quality what ever staff are now teaching in childrens classrooms, that means employment has gone up, but the quality of education has gone down, so that's good, right?

 

[Raven]

How can you not see that that's ridiculous.

If you have to vote then why would they even campaign? Why do you think there's a connection there?

It's not working in facist australia - who's PM has openly twisted the Benjamin Franklin line on Freedom:


Whereas Tony Abbot said that the balance between liberty and security will have to shift to the incovenience of the masses...

Mandatory voting is bullshit. At least without it you can see, through voter apathy, how people feel about the current system.

Because having to vote doesn't necessarily mean you have to vote for the big 2. If people had to vote then they might actually look into it a bit first and they may even find a party that represents their ideals, green or whatever.

They could always spoil their ballot and vote for none of the above but then the parties would change to suit what people actually want rather than what 15% of the people want.

 

[Moriath]

The Tories have also changed the Education system where Teaching Assistant level/quality what ever staff are now teaching in childrens classrooms, that means employment has gone up, but the quality of education has gone down, so that's good, right?

Not where my wife works .. she is a HLTA and doesnt teach she supports the teachers ... being the point of her role.

 

[Gwadien]

Not where my wife works .. she is a HLTA and doesnt teach she supports the teachers ... being the point of her role.

Obviously not every situation, but there are a lot of cases of it, Nursery Nurses are being encouraged to go into teaching rather than what they're actually meant to do, because they get 30% of a teachers wage.

But they're cutting costs in Schools, so it's fine, right?

 

[Scouse]

employment numbers have actually gone up

Shit jobs with zero-hour contracts and wages still depressed below 2008 levels.

But the headline figure counts I guess.

 

[Jupitus]

Shit jobs with zero-hour contracts and wages still depressed below 2008 levels.

But the headline figure counts I guess.

I'm a total fence-sitter, but Cameron did today promise the abolition of zero hours contracts...

 

[Gwadien]

promise.

I promise you'll be granted with youthfulness



The reality is that Agencies are getting a lot more people to do shit work for them than they did before the recession, and that is still positive, because they have people working for the agencies, for factory work and stuff, if you have a day of for a totally legit reason, like going to the doctors, don't expect that agency to give you a job for another two weeks, at least, but in that two weeks you're still a positive statistic so it keeps all the Torys who 'care' about the working classes happy.

Why would you employ a regular work force in your factory when Agencies are booming and you can just use and abuse the staff that come through there? it's ridiculous, frankly, if you're unskilled, and you're in a bit of a shit situation, you're better off being in Victorian England, at-least there you might have a chance of someone picking you up and offering to give you some skills and a more of a reliable job.

The real joke of it now is that they're actually asking for 'skilled people' (HGV drivers/Fork Lift truck drivers) to also sign up on agencies because they're short on them, and so are the factories/warehouses, remember when people like that were given proper jobs?

It didn't matter when it happened 5 years ago or so, because it was the dirty immigrants affected by it, but now our precious pure blooded Brits are getting involved.

 

[Gwadien]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29442623

ITS FINE THOUGH BECAUSE MUSLIMS ARE STILL TERRORISTS SO WE CAN MAKE MISTAKES

 

[Gwadien]

On a similar sort of note.

Apparently, my Uni Student Card has a tracking device on it?

 

[Shagrat]

On a similar sort of note.

Apparently, my Uni Student Card has a tracking device on it?

Not everyone's, just yours....