This assassin fix ?

[Fenderon]

isnt it the general idea that assassins outdamage archers in melee ?

they sure outdamage assassins in range.. balance it both ways! (heh)

 

[Comos]

deserved nerf.
It's supposed to be a mine just like dissonance trap, not some instacast dot.

 

[Hawkwind]

they sure outdamage assassins in range.. balance it both ways! (heh)

I take you walk around unstealthed all the time then? If not, why bring up range. Even with MoS 5 against MoS 2 or 3 probably lucky if you get 2 shots of before an assassin is on you.

 

[xxManiacxx]

viper3lb +dotmine +1 garotte +kite = win against any meleer unless they purge and/or IP so it´s a good change

 

[Dumle]

Bummer might jsut go battlemaster then

And whats a poor NS to do then?

NS second line is *Tadaaa* Stormlord :eek2:

 

[Fenderon]

I take you walk around unstealthed all the time then? If not, why bring up range.

because it's called a ranger

..I mentioned it because someone complained how an assassin with dotmine would outdamage them in melee.. (unless I remember it completly wrong).

 

[UriZeN]

hmm whats next mezz poison on a 1hour timer?
or evade decreased to 5 instead of 7?uke:

 

[Azathrim]

Seems this nerf was brought to us directly from GoA.

Any clarifications from the GM's that any E&E is able to drag out of them?

 

[Isunder]

but I still think its a piss take, considering theres abilties out there that make classes unkillable from a stealther perpective.

That pretty much says it all.

 

[Sauruman]

hmm whats next mezz poison on a 1hour timer?
or evade decreased to 5 instead of 7?uke:

Decrease to evade 5, would be awesome! THUMBS UP MYTHIC!

 

[Theseus]

All these ppl with their anti-stealther attitude are in need off a break imo. It's a bit sad if you need to go all hostile vs a class that is basically underpowered compared to the visual classes but can win due to the element off surprise...

Just the fact that you can't have that element pisses ppl off and I
understand why , but c'mon.

Let the people play their classes without telling them they are dicks for doing so as the grass always seems greener on the other side.

 

[Shar_Reloaded_Ranger]

stop the retarded whine, its ok that it has been nerfed, its not like we archers can do 400 damage extra instant cast
or whatever
its ment to be on a timer so qq imo

 

[Fenderon]

but is that fix/nerf only live on euro servers .. or is it on the US ones as well?

 

[Azathrim]

stop the retarded whine, its ok that it has been nerfed, its not like we archers can do 400 damage extra instant cast
or whatever

That would be called Forcefull Zephyr.

its ment to be on a timer so qq imo

Says who? This is as mentioned a GoA only change. That means for all I know, they wanted to change something with the ability, but accidently introduced a bug on the ability.

Mind you, the US players can still use this ability in combat.

 

[Fenderon]

when did GOA start making changes to the game Mythic have not implemented? (except for the non-nerfing quests).

 

[eggy]

Deserved nerf. Should never have been insta cast.

 

[Ging]

Deserved nerf. Should never have been insta cast.

It still is insta cast but not during combat. Still its good fun to pop it in front of 3fgh as they meet the alb zerg then sit back and let the rps come in Or if your escaping from speed classes/WH or hunter/ranger SoS who are catching u , pop it and they loose their speed. Its great for cowardly solo infs such as myself who dont spec into vanish.

 

[Isunder]

Would anyone consider assassins overpowered because of ToA? Anything that they were given in comparison to other classes that made them unstoppable killing machines? Hey even something that made them pve gods like other classes? Two ml abilities that were quite useful, mezz poison and insta cast dot. GoA off their own bat decide to nerf one with no explanation and now the class type that lost the most because of ToA/NF loses out yet again. Oh joy.

 

[Gear]

Give 20s cast time for summon mastery and I can accept the change for the poison spike.

 

[illu]

This pissed me off so much tonight I have RightNow'd it as a bug :>

Why the hell can GOA change a game-dynamic such as this that affects spymaster stealthers when I believe that the US version still has normal poisonspike?

Just how is an SB meant to kill an equal RR NS with remedy up without having to use battler2 or malice2 - which the NS's can also use?

It's just BULLSHIT.

I definitely lost RP tonight because of it, and with all the grouped up steamrolling gits out there, every damn RP is precious.

Bloody ridiculous.

Oli - Illu

 

[luribeauty]

US server's can still use it in combat for sure.

 

[Ethild]

I definitely lost RP tonight because of it, and with all the grouped up steamrolling gits out there, every damn RP is precious.

Oh I see, my bad, I play the game for fun not to increase my 'precious' RP count at the expense of everything else.

The nerf was compeltely justified. Having an instant cast 500 dmg spell on a 5 min timer and no penalty was completely stupid. To be honest I think they didn't go far enough. Give back the 10 sec disarm like the old days.

 

[Azathrim]

I don't care what you think is balanced or justified Ethild. What I care about is, that GoA seems able and willing to perform class balance on their own now.

Unless this change is on Pendragon soon, we can only conclude that GoA have started to balance Dark Age of Camelot on their own.

The logical conclusion would thus be to create TL positions in the same manner Mythic currently does. Next step would then be a proper test server so we can actually test changes. Finally we would want TL reports and feedback on those.

Is GoA ready for this, or was this just a fluke that results in one of two solutions:
1) The same goes live in US
2) GoA reverses the "fix"

 

[Haldar]

BS change.

i completely agree with goa rapid-patching various bugs found on usa servers - like MW epic mob bashing or Beliathan plat pharmage...but making changes to code which are NOT implemented on USA is total crap.

Turn in back GOA.

 

[illu]

Oh I see, my bad, I play the game for fun not to increase my 'precious' RP count at the expense of everything else.

The nerf was compeltely justified. Having an instant cast 500 dmg spell on a 5 min timer and no penalty was completely stupid. To be honest I think they didn't go far enough. Give back the 10 sec disarm like the old days.

I also play the game for "fun", but at the end of the day - you play for RP - everyone does. There is a natural end game, and if at the end of the evening after 5 hours playing you've made 0 RP, what was the point in logging in?

The nerf was exactly that, another assassin nerf, and I cannot understand why this has been implemented on the Euro Servers if we are meant to be following the US Servers? The damage helped us in fights, especially against Nightshades and their Remedy, and also against Tanks and to interrupt casters.

Since when can GOA change the game? If so, why not make Shadowblades PA's hit harder? Why not lower number of brittle guards? Why not but remedy on a 10 minute timer? Why not lower AE Mezz essence flare timer?

The hot fix in the US I believe was to stop people casting tanglesnare AND poisonspike at the same time. This is not what GOA have done.

Oli - Illu

 

[Corran]

I don't care what you think is balanced or justified Ethild. What I care about is, that GoA seems able and willing to perform class balance on their own now.

Unless this change is on Pendragon soon, we can only conclude that GoA have started to balance Dark Age of Camelot on their own.

The logical conclusion would thus be to create TL positions in the same manner Mythic currently does. Next step would then be a proper test server so we can actually test changes. Finally we would want TL reports and feedback on those.

Is GoA ready for this, or was this just a fluke that results in one of two solutions:
1) The same goes live in US
2) GoA reverses the "fix"

Well if you dont like it go to the US then... but to be honest the people that make the code changes are mythic. GoA do not have the authority to do such changes. You should know this as GoA have to wait for MYTHIC to code the patches for them.

 

[illu]

Well from US Boards, they still seem to have the poisonspike enabled in combat. (They are on 1.81?)

I believe this is the fix that was meant to be fixed:-

Dark Age of Camelot
Version 1.80b Release Notes
Darkness Rising
October 18, 2005

===================================


NEW THINGS AND BUG FIXES

- Instant spells can no longer be cast while casting another spell with the same re-use timer.

This was to stop people casting Poisonspike and Tanglesnare together for example.

But the fix looks like it has gone wrong?

I think all the people affected by this change (people with spymaster) should rightnow GOA as why have we got a different set of playing rules from the US?

Oli - Illu

 

[Azathrim]

Well if you dont like it go to the US then... but to be honest the people that make the code changes are mythic. GoA do not have the authority to do such changes. You should know this as GoA have to wait for MYTHIC to code the patches for them.

No point going to US as this change is going to happen on the US servers (unless GoA is lying, which I don't think they are).

It appears GoA have just been early on the triggers and implemented a change we can assume to hit the US servers in 1.81.

So to summarize the situation, it's merely a matter of misunderstanding caused by lack of information. It had not been revealed by Mythic this change would occur and thus it seemed as if it was a GoA only change. GoA claims though, that it will happen on US servers, so watch out for the 1.81 patch notes to see it there.

And yes, expect alot of angry feedback to make Mythic reconsider nerfing an already weak segment of the characters: The Stealthers. The correct way to express those are towards Mythic though, not GoA.

 

[Kami]

Holy shit next they'll actually make assassins pull of a crit strike to win a fight!

 

[Azathrim]

Oh, the might PA!

The style that requires you to be in front of your target!
The style that requires you to be hidden!
The style that requires two thursdays in the week!
The style that demands you to have made the DAoC /dance in real life!
The style that often hits for less on a tank, than what the tank anytimes you for!
The style that often does about the same damage on a caster, as the caster anytime nukes you for!
The style that is blocked by brittle guards!
The style with the most counters in the game!

Oh yes, I can see why you fear the PA Kami.