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nath

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Originally posted by Durzel
You'd be hard pushed to find someone who did GSCE Physics I reckon, so any opinion they may or may not have would largely be invalidated by them doing a made-up course!

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What in good god's name are you talking about man? You falsified that typo!
 
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Wij

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It's not impossible. It's just dumb and wasteful. The only way animals get energy is by eating which either requires plants, who get their energy from the Sun or other animals which in turn get their energy either from plants or other animals. Ultimately the energy comes from the Sun. With no Sun you would have to expend a different source of energy to create food. Which begs the question, "Why not use that source for your energy needs instead of losing 98% of it passing it through humans ?"

Before you say it, sure maybe they have optimised the process and have magically made the humans 90 or 95 or even 99.99999 percent efficient. You still CAN'T have more energy than you originally put in. That's thermodynamincs for you.

So, why bother ?
 
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old.I_Am_Glen

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but it make the humans slave also?

so lil bit of loss... but keeps them slave..

imo? :p
 
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nath

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Why do they need the humans to be slaves? Some sort of sick pleasure? Surely they could just kill them all and use them to get more energy..
 
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old.Fweddy

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But they combine it with a form of fusion!

Similarly, I can power my computer with a large beachball and a power outlet.
 
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nath

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This beachball.. it's large you say? Is it as large as perhaps, a battery. And perhaps the same shape?


It's just a battery isn't it.




Now go to your room.
 
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old.Fweddy

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Nope. Its a real beachball.

I've been told the power outlet would be enough for my pc without the beachball's help, but I think thats a lie. Soon I'm going to create a virtual beachball world where gravity is reversed so it can't bounce away. Or at least, it will think it can't bounce away, so will choose not to ;)
 
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old.I_Am_Glen

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Why do they need the humans to be slaves? Some sort of sick pleasure? Surely they could just kill them all and use them to get more energy..
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damit u need to watch animatrix :pp

basicly ya.. machine wanted to be m8s with humans,,human said fuck off, bombed wear the machines lived.. then big war blah blah blah

so they did as payback basicly? ?

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/index_anime.html

watch 1st + 2nd.. may help? good watch too :)))
 
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nath

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Ok, but why imprison them in a place that they don't know is a prison.. the first matrix was a place where everyone was meant to be happy.... doesn't sound like much of a payback to me.

Tbh I think they just keep them for energy. Which is stupid. So there.
 
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PR.

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GO WATCH THE FIRST MATRIX AGAIN!

It says that the babies are put in the tubes and fed intravenously the remains of the dead...

I would also like to say that the statement should be "Based on current human scienctific knowledge, scientists don't belive it to be possible to destroy or create energy" :)
 
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nath

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Well ok, that's true of all science, but in this case it's a little more than just a theory..

If they were fed the remains of the dead, they'd soon run out of dead people. There's no way the remains of one dead fella would be enough to nourish and grow an human being from birth to death. As a result, there wouldn't be enough dead people to keep the population going, and eventually the human crops would die out.
 
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PR.

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How many people die on the planet every minute?

I'm sure you could feed a fair few people with them, then there's the likelyhood that proteins and vitamins are added into the mixture.
 
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Wij

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There MAY be a way to create energy out of nothing in some wild fantastical universe that is nothing like ours. Pointless statement. Everything we know about the universe tells us it's impossible though. However, that's not even the point.

You can't do it with humans ! We don't create energy. Otherwise why do we eat ? Simple fact. Therefore it's pointless. Don't try to argue it. Just accept that the plot doesn't make sense on this issue and forget it. :)
 
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Wij

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Originally posted by PR.
How many people die on the planet every minute?

I'm sure you could feed a fair few people with them, then there's the likelyhood that proteins and vitamins are added into the mixture.
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You're just taking the piss right ?
 
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PR.

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You're the one arguing that a fantasy film is fantasy :p
 
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nath

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Yeah but the thing that draws you in to the film is that there's no reason it *couldn't* happen, thus it needs to retain a certain degree of credibility otherwise the audience will just think "pff, another crappy fantasy film" and not be so interested.
 
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Damini

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They could have long sticks that go into space near the sun and they grow plants there and then they feed the plants to the humans back on earth. Ta-da! (Or really really not)




Anyway, wasn't this whole sun gone out thing just part of the way of being liberated from the matrix, and explaining the set up of zion? Possibly thats all bull too, and its all sunshine and happiness outside, and the reason it doesn't make sense is because it doesn't need to, because it doesn't actually happen.
 
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Wij

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Originally posted by Damini
They could have long sticks that go into space near the sun and they grow plants there and then they feed the plants to the humans back on earth. Ta-da! (Or really really not)




Anyway, wasn't this whole sun gone out thing just part of the way of being liberated from the matrix, and explaining the set up of zion? Possibly thats all bull too, and its all sunshine and happiness outside, and the reason it doesn't make sense is because it doesn't need to, because it doesn't actually happen.
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Then why has noone in Zion worked this out ?

Imagine Morpheus telling Neo: "They get their energy from human batteries... OH NO WAIT !!!1 THAT'S BOLLOX. HOW DUMB ARE WE EH ? Zion must be part of the Matrix. Scrap the second film lads we've worked that out now."
 
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PR.

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Originally posted by Wij
You can't do it with humans ! We don't create energy. Otherwise why do we eat ? Simple fact. Therefore it's pointless. Don't try to argue it. Just accept that the plot doesn't make sense on this issue and forget it. :)
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Ok, I will suspend the idea that you can create energy. The human body also converts organic material into electricity, to power your muscles and mind. The robots can't eat a humans arm it has no way of converting it, but if the human body does so the robots can then stimulate your body to extract the electricity your body generated. As the first film pointed out the earth is now in darkness so there is no plants or animals they all died, but humans who had the technology to survive did so but were all inslaved by the robots
 
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Wij

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Originally posted by PR.
You're the one arguing that a fantasy film is fantasy :p
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No, I'm the one arguing that there's no point defending it cos it's rubbish. Just accept that it's rubbish and enjoy the film :p
 
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Wij

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Originally posted by PR.
Ok, I will suspend the idea that you can create energy. The human body also converts organic material into electricity, to power your muscles and mind. The robots can't eat a humans arm it has no way of converting it, but if the human body does so the robots can then stimulate your body to extract the electricity your body generated. As the first film pointed out the earth is now in darkness so there is no plants or animals they all died, but humans who had the technology to survive did so but were all inslaved by the robots
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You would get more energy burning the bodies and running a steam turbine off them.
 
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PR.

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Originally posted by Wij
Then why has noone in Zion worked this out ?

Imagine Morpheus telling Neo: "They get their energy from human batteries... OH NO WAIT !!!1 THAT'S BOLLOX. HOW DUMB ARE WE EH ? Zion must be part of the Matrix. Scrap the second film lads we've worked that out now."
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The same reason, someone didn't look out their window on the fight with 100 Agent Smiths and go "OMFG thats impossible this can't be real!!!!"

The Matrix told them what to believe
 
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PR.

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Originally posted by Wij
You would get more energy burning the bodies and running a steam turbine off them.
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You would run out of adults and end up burning foetuses which would (I guess produce little energy) and then you would end up having to grow millions of foetuses just to go "oh look I've made a baby I will throw it in the oven with the rest of them" as opposed to creating a baby and have it generate power for up to 120+ years

Of course Wij if you wanna just admit that you don't like the film I can understand that :D
 
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Wij

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Originally posted by PR.
You would run out of adults and end up burning foetuses which would (I guess produce little energy) and then you would end up having to grow millions of foetuses just to go "oh look I've made a baby I will throw it in the oven with the rest of them" as opposed to creating a baby and have it generate power for up to 120+ years

Of course Wij if you wanna just admit that you don't like the film I can understand that :D
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You would run out of adults just as quick feeding them to each other and have created less enrgy in the process.

I quite liked the film. I am merely backing up Nath's (iirc) point that that part of the plot makes no sense.
 
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PR.

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According to the Center for Space Power and Advanced Electronics, a NASA commercial center in Alabama, the human body is on average 15% fat, capable of producing 11,000 watt hours. When the average Joe eats his daily bread, he takes in 3,300 watt hours. The charge rate is about 7kW if the waiter starts pushing you out the door after a half hour lunch, according to the Center. "Clearly the amount of energy consumed by an individual is sufficient to provide power for electronic devices if a suitable method can be found to convert a small fraction of that energy to electricity," the Center concludes in a report on the subject
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http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/body_power_011128-1.html

:D
 
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Wij

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But you are still getting less energy out than you put in. Unless you have to have the humans alive anyway then it's a waste.
 
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PR.

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Originally posted by Wij
But you are still getting less energy out than you put in. Unless you have to have the humans alive anyway then it's a waste.
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Ok. We drink milk, it has lots of vitamins and stuff which keeps us healthy but wait a minute?! We get milk from cows who get it from grass so why not cut out the middlecow and eat the grass?

Answer - because we can't get the same stuff from grass as cows produce, our digestive system isn't set up to do that.

In the same way the robots can't eat organic material so they feed it to a human who can convert it into something worthwhile... electricity.
 
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