Red HATred said:there is no such thing as elite players on a server.
If you would want to profile someone to be elite, you should opt for a person that has the patience to put up with the average low-IQ roaming beasts on a server.
Distancing yourselfe from the mass, isn't an elite attitude.... it ,mostly, is a sign that those ppl are just fed up with the sheer idiocy (carelessness) others run by. After tons of attempts in instructing, helping or teaching their realm mates some "finesse" to it all, they simply ....give up. The "mass" opts for the "whotevah" reply... that makes ppl just give up in attempting. reducing their circle to "willing" comrades.
Since the "willing section" is so small and spread out over a realm with tons of guilds.... they are considered Elite by the mass.
The prominent leaders, raid leaders, are the type of ppl that think somewhat different... they don't think in quality of ppl, they think in quantity of ppl.
Luckely for the mass there is such a thing as big scale events, otherwise they would be stuck..... just stuck.
there is only one problem in this universe.... a HUGE proble...
it can be narrowed down to a mentality problem. One that is based upon basic emotions and drives. To gain and cause pain.
etc....
Cause and effect....just a logical chain of events. If only one would realize the power to it
Red HATred said:Lots of bullshit
Vindicator said:Now let me ask you a question. Did you watch matrix 2 before or after writing that load of bolloax?
Elitism is a mentality if you want to label it which is never good. The mentality is that of wishing to optimise and play the most efficently one can while attainting the maximum result. Winning. This is a very wide, vague and not properly explained meaning but it will do for that clown anyway.
While, Roleplayer is also a mentality again also not good. The mentality is the mob mentality. The more we have the easier it is and less I have to do. Meaning the individual can relax and do as little as possible with the greatest return for the least amount of work. Again 2 wide, vague and generally not elaborated upon enough but will suffice for the muppet with all the universes problems.
Red HATred said:i actually had a good point, you're just to stupid to understand. I'll narrow it down a bit for you ;-)
Two types of players, those that are interested in the Full game contents (minority), wich include optimizing and reducing all variables to their own competency.
And second group off ppl, also is the vast majority, they haven't got the time or will to spend an equal ammount of time on the same goal. Hereby lacking the same materials or stuff. It makes them flame the minority for elitistic ***** because of their impossibility or rather jealousy. The, in your terms, elite players don't ask to be flamed. They ask to be left alone since grouping up with the majority just frustrates em.
Those ppl (in your terms elite) will mostly roam work in small groups or solo. And those will be Ppl with same interests and goals... hereby ignoring the others... those again become jealous because they have a feeling they are beeing "excluded" (which is in no way the case imo).
the, what you call, LOLPLAYERS, are in NO way the mobbers on a server. To be correct, they are a VAST MINORITY on all servers since most ppl are EGOPLAYERS..(ego is the only role they can handle)
what that title you mentioned got to do with my first writing is a mystery to me.. but then ok. a lot is a mystery to me it seems ;-)
no offence taken by your ignorance btw..
cheers ;-)
ps: if you roam to lose. Personally i think you have a problem. Knowing that you can't win all, loss is something you deal with.. It doesn't make you an elite player to be motivated by victory which is the basic goal and purpose of this all.
Red HATred said:More deluded bullshit from The One.
Vindicator said:You just agreed with what I said and tried to change the words a slighty alter the meaning a little. If your trying to show you have intelligence then your going the wrong way about it. All you do is degrade your self and give alot of people on this board a good laugh. I suspect you know they laugh at you rather than with you but im sure you decided a long time ago it was better to have somebody laughing whether at you or with than not at all. Like a good clown should.
What is with everybody looking at things as black and white? Roleplayers and Elitists, sorry nothing is that simple. There are 50,000 shades or grey inbetween but that something which will prob elude you, dont worry I wont take offence to your ignorance as you say.
Oh and Im glad you dont take offence easily. I suppose you couldnt have got like you are if you did take it easily. Kudos to you, now I wouldnt mind an equally laughable response in the next day or so.
Vindicator said:Hahaha Red_Hatred please do keep filling us all with your knowledge and those random insults really do boost your position while making you seem correct.
I was always under the assumption that if somebody took shit that seriously or spoke about things like he is trying to they would either A) Be put in a loony bin or B) Kill them selfs from the stress of the knowledge of the universe on their shoulders
Either way classic stuff, please keep informing us plebs about daoc and life in general!
Chronictank said:In between all that flame i think red_hatred has a point
General observations of my own experience is that the so-called "elite" players are the ones that discover how to do things in the most optimal, way as you don't have to be in rvr to want to optimise your skill set to a given task.
Example being TG we all remember Danord soloing almost all the mobs in TG before anyone else even realised it was possible. Why does he do it so easily?, simple reason is he knows what mobs to kill to force spawns of what mobs, the mob pathing and where most the safe spots are in the zone. If it wasn't for people like him 90% the guides most "casual" gamers use to do various encounters wouldn't exist.
Wyrd could be regarded as "elite" in the sence he gained a far greater understanding of game dynamics than any "casual" gamer would have dreamed of learning.
At the end of the day it is the people who want to go that little bit further are the ones who are immitated to do things in a "better" way.
But then there is the other side of the coin, most people who want to be the "best" will often only play with people who are of similar "skill" level to them, as a result will alienate most the general populous.
The only reason "elite" people have got a bad name is because of the few very vocal bad eggs so to speak, as said earlier.
Talivar said:I think a lot of ppl are missing the point here, the elite ppl that every1 whines about are not the skilled optimal players just trying to do there best,every1 likes them ppl.
No the elite players that get whined over are the ppl that THINK they are the best,most skilled players and will do anything to stay that way, the players that spam things like DIE IRLZ PLS M8s FOR ADDING!!!!,u know who i mean the little rejects that think its cool to call every1 else a noob cus they can get more rps by using best class(easy mode),best spec(easy mode),best items(easy mode),
Its these elite ppl that are whined over,nothing to do with jealousy at all more to do with the complete lack of respect these players give to every1 else.
Who knows maybe deep down its them thats jealous cus after all these other players they call noobs are actually having fun and getting rps without needing to make it as easy as possible
P.S pls remeber being optial and wanting to win doesnt = elite, being optimal and wanting to win AND thinking everyt1 not like you is a noob= elite
Red HATred said:there is no such thing as elite players on a server.
If you would want to profile someone to be elite, you should opt for a person that has the patience to put up with the average low-IQ roaming beasts on a server.
Distancing yourselfe from the mass, isn't an elite attitude.... it ,mostly, is a sign that those ppl are just fed up with the sheer idiocy (carelessness) others run by. After tons of attempts in instructing, helping or teaching their realm mates some "finesse" to it all, they simply ....give up. The "mass" opts for the "whotevah" reply... that makes ppl just give up in attempting. reducing their circle to "willing" comrades.
Since the "willing section" is so small and spread out over a realm with tons of guilds.... they are considered Elite by the mass.
The prominent leaders, raid leaders, are the type of ppl that think somewhat different... they don't think in quality of ppl, they think in quantity of ppl.
Luckely for the mass there is such a thing as big scale events, otherwise they would be stuck..... just stuck.
there is only one problem in this universe.... a HUGE proble...
it can be narrowed down to a mentality problem. One that is based upon basic emotions and drives. To gain and cause pain.
etc....
Cause and effect....just a logical chain of events. If only one would realize the power to it
eragrim said:I have met many different attitudes among players when playing this game. But what keep bothering me is the "leet attitude", which is something I have never understood. It is one of the strangest things I have ever encountered in my life, and within a human being. There are ofc many players within this game that are "elite" (if you want to call it that) that doesnt match with this attitude at all. But on the other hand, frightning many of our elite gamers in daoc fall into the exact match of this description.
Here comes the description:
* First of all, everything is black or white. Either way you suck or you are leet. There is nothing in between for anything or anyone. That is the wide perspective the "leet attitude" offers.
* Second, you hate the game. These people often say the following things: Omg this game is no skill, omfg mids are so overpowered, all insta, no skill. I hate this game, everything about it sucks.
Here comes the first paradox. You hate the game, and everything about it, and still you play night and day.
Why?
* Excal is no skill, and Prydwen? Lol, full of noobs. You and your fellow "leet" guild members, your group of 8 has tried camlann, you have tried US you have done it all. You got to 50, you did your mls, you did your arties, you rvred. And still, it didnt get better. After a month you are back on your old server, once more whining and moaning about "no skill" and "instas" and how much you really hate the game.
Please answer me, where are the skilled players? Orcanie perhaps? Or do you honestly believe that you are the only skilled player in the world? And once again, why do you play?
* The attitude in game. these people act like the are something. Are inpolite towards others, specially people that are new to the game. they are cocky, in a computer game, because they got more realm points then others. And they know how to solo Jacinas and do Zoark with less then 3 people (just an example).
Tell me please. What have you acomplished? You are sitting behind a computer screen, in a world that doesnt excist with more rps then the average and act like you have acomplished something. What is wrong with you people? And tell me, what the hell have you acomplished?
I thought that this "leet attitude" belong to people at the age of 14 and 17. But no, it does mainly, but surprise. The players with the "leet attitude" are often 20+. Without a job and education, that plays daoc 24/7. And you brag and act like you are someone in a computer game.
oh, I understand, it was easier to be cool behind a computer screen then in real life, its easier when no one sees the true you. am I not awfully close to the truth?
* The bitterness. They are never statisfied with anything, if the group you rvr with loose. You start to flame like a maniac and even logg off on many occasions. And they are hardly ever statisfied with anything.
Cant you see that dark age of camelot turns you into a person that you dont want to be? Bitter, stuck into a game, which you hate (because there is no skill) and worse of all. You arent moving further with your life. You are stuck, and you cant stop to play. Because if you do stop, you have nothing left, nothing at all...
If you fall into this description, think about what you are doing. Your life situation is kinda predictable, not in every case ofcourse, but I really do believe that I am awfully close to the truth here about the leet gamers of daoc.
You make people feel bad from time to time, with your lame comments and crap. Specially here on FH or IRC. This is something right back at you.
Regards