The First Fps

old.HoboClown · Oct 10, 2001

What was the first real FPS? And don't gimme no crap about Super Spy on the Neo Geo or sodding Operation Wolf!

I reckon it's Robocop 3 on the Amiga, which came out a year before Wolfenstein but never actually gets the nod for being the first.

WPKenny · Oct 10, 2001

I believe it was something like Hungry Horace 3d on the Spectrum..... someone correct me...I remember some monochrome 3d maze game on the speccy.

old.HoboClown · Oct 10, 2001

yeah, The Eidolon was like that too, but that grid movement (move one screen forward, rotate 90 degrees) surely doesn't count as FPS?

Mr B · Oct 10, 2001

Monster Maze: ZX-81

http://www.sincuser.f9.co.uk/018/3dgames.htm

and

http://freestuff.grok.co.uk/vb81/

Pre-dating the Amiga by a good...oohh 5 years...

Having said that, you couldn't actually shoot the monster, u just had to avoid it...

B

old.HoboClown · Oct 10, 2001

In my quest to find the first real FPS I've come across many nutters who say 3D monster maze.

Look people, if you don't shoot, then it's not a shooter.

Summo · Oct 10, 2001

Fair point. A wireframe 3D maze with a monster doesn't necessarilty qualify a game as a first person shooter.

So which was the first? I need answers, dammit!

WPKenny · Oct 10, 2001

You can define FPS in many ways. Elite was first person perspective and you shot stuff. Does that count as a first person shooter? I wouldn't class it as such. That was way back when on the BBC, Spectrum, PC (CGA) etc... But then that would make most flight sims into FPS game.

So if we stick to the "running around with a gun killing stuff" kind of idea of FPS then there's loads to choose from that might have come before the other. My expertise

in the ancient history of computer games is specialised around the good old Speccy. I'll poke about and see what I can find. But it was the domain of the single programmer and the market was pretty flooded with cheap and nasty games that could just possibly fall into the FPS catagory.

Another one that springs to mind is a game called "Mercenary". It used 3d shapes and you ran about on the ground..can't remember off hand if there was much shooting though.

You really got me thinking there actually. I've grown up on FPS so it's kind of fun to wwrack my brains and find out when the first one was. First one I really remember was Wolf3d. It was the reason I got a soundcard. Unreal was the reason I got a 3dfx (V1) card.

/me goes wanders back into nostalgia with the Speccy websites....

WPKenny · Oct 10, 2001

Heh..

http://www.void.jump.org/infoseekpl...-fullnames/m/Mercenary-EscapeFromTarg.tap.zip

Stazbumpa · Oct 10, 2001

I had a game on the ZX 81 called 3D Tunnel. That was a FPS of sort circa 1982.

Mr B · Oct 10, 2001

"I've come across many nutters who"

...don't actually read what I wrote.

if it's 1st person perspective AND shooting and if you exclude things like Elite and Tau-Ceti (as you are in a vehicle), then it's 3D Tunnel...

If not, then I wrote a game on the 1k ZX-81 where you had to hit a target that was randomly moving over the screen ...(unimaginative I know, but I was 7, sue me

) - and therefore that is the first one I can think of...

B

old.CJ Ravey · Oct 10, 2001

I would personally piss myself if, as I suspect, Robocop 3 was first - and is ignored by the jingoistic yanks (as it only came out on the Amiga) and snobbish games journalists (as it only came out on the Amiga).

old.logic7 · Oct 10, 2001

The Amiga did have excellent games... Damn... I miss my 2000HD.

old.HoboClown · Oct 11, 2001

In my experience of games journos (more than yours Ravey) there's no such thing as a "snobbish journo". British games journos love shouting about British achievements, and you can bet that if we invented the FPS, the likes of Edge and PC Zone would be the first to spread thge word.

old.CJ Ravey · Oct 11, 2001

More than mine? We're the same age, and been in the industry for the same time. What maths are you using? You've never met a snobby videogames journalist...? That's like saying Hitler never met a Nazi!

Vroomparrot · Oct 13, 2001

Originally posted by WPKenny

So if we stick to the "running around with a gun killing stuff" kind of idea of FPS then there's loads to choose from

What about the old Atari arcade classic "Battlezone", pretty sure that was sometime in the 70's.

All though you're not exactly running around you're driving a tank.

old.[q3p]-KS- · Oct 13, 2001

Battlezone was sweet. Something about stepping up to the console and staring through that small view screen won me over. 10p a go was worth it, cos you just managed to nudge your hi-score up with each attempt. Unlike defender which got ridiculously hard.

Battlezone gets my vote as being a first-person shooter.

ah. sweet memories.

old.geigstor · Oct 13, 2001

iam not old enuff, but for me its Doom 95, oh the sleapless nights...

DAN200 · Oct 13, 2001

Originally posted by Mr B
If not, then I wrote a game on the 1k ZX-81 where you had to hit a target that was randomly moving over the screen ...(unimaginative I know, but I was 7, sue me ) - and therefore that is the first one I can think of...

You were proggramming at 7???? Jeez, the earliest ive ever done is messed around on Kilik and Play aged 11!

DAN200 · Oct 13, 2001

With which I present to you... ROBOT CREATION STATION, a Robot Wars game made by me using Kilk and Play several years ago when Robot Wars war only just starting, Enjoy!

DAN200 · Oct 13, 2001

Actually, make that:---

www.dan200.barrysworld.net/RCWworking.zip

The other link is missing a few DLLs.

Summo · Oct 13, 2001

Originally posted by DAN200
You were proggramming at 7???? Jeez, the earliest ive ever done is messed around on Kilik and Play aged 11!

Pah! Kids today... If it ain't got pretty icons they don't wanna know...

Who here remembers typing in pages of BBC BASIC out of a magazine in their pre-teens to make some text-based game about selling lemonade?

Pah! I remember making an looped animation for my mum's birthday when I was 8. Back then there was no mouse or paint packages (not even a harddrive or floppy disk). Had to 'draw' everything using coordinates and fill rectangles in as two triangles. Circles were a nightmare, as they had to be calculated using a LEN routine.

END PROC
GOSUB
IF... THEN...

Pah!

Summo · Oct 13, 2001

And we only had eight colours...

PR. · Oct 13, 2001

/me thinks SomeGuy learnt about Computers after playing with Colossus at the end of WW2

Summo · Oct 13, 2001

Course in them days we had proper weapons. If we wanted to kill a German we had to introduce him to our mothers first...

*mutter*
*mumble*

WPKenny · Oct 14, 2001

heh. I remember the pages of basic to type in...then the fucker wouldn't work. You wouldn't bother saving it and then next month they'd print the one fucking line that was wrong and you'd swear lots and never get round to typing the whole bloody lot in again but somehow convince yourself that you had and it was a crap game anyway.
Pit stop prgrammer. heh. Your sinclair was the greatest.

I don't have many of the mags still but I have hundreds of cover tapes.

old.Kurt_Angle · Oct 14, 2001

I belive it was 'knot in 3d' on the speccy

But thinking about it, battlezone sounds about right

DAN200 · Oct 14, 2001

Well, at least I saved my Klik and Play efforts, now go download it!!

Here!

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