Formula 1 The F1 jibber jabber thread.

[ST^]

k..

1) Actually, I just commented to my friend and Alonso fan that I thought he'd have won if Button didn't hit him.

2) From the video I watched, his front wing is behind Alonso's seat. If you look at a profile of the F10, you'll see that isn't half way yet.

3) Show me an overhead of it (not 100m away from the corner, but the actual corner approach) and I may concede.

4) Kinda TLDR but you can apply this infinite number of possibilities shtick to any accident or race result in the history of F1. I don't see how you can post that and be serious about it.

 

[kirennia]

1) Actually, I just commented to my friend and Alonso fan that I thought he'd have won if Button didn't hit him.

Nothing wrong with that comment at all, I actually agree as it happens. I did miss that your first post clearly stated that you thought it cost him a win so apologies for highlighting that. That wasn't all that was said though, this was more which I was highlighting as an attack:

Calling it a racing incident doesn't take any blame away. To put it in perspective, Webber on Hamilton was also a "racing incident". Oh, but because the English driver is the victim here, it's completely different!

That's baiting...

2) From the video I watched, his front wing is behind Alonso's seat. If you look at a profile of the F10, you'll see that isn't half way yet.

An angle closer to a right angle of a square(ish) object in any direction will always give a less clouded perspective of two objects closely parallel to each other. The video footage you showed was at around a 45degree angle which will give a distorted picture (how many times afterall have we all seen an accident, blamed someone, then seen another angle and it all becomes clear). In this case, it's above and luckily for us, Buttons front wing and Alonsos rear wing reflect nicely to show an accurate picture of where they were.

3) Show me an overhead of it (not 100m away from the corner, but the actual corner approach) and I may concede.

He's 50% alongside him and that's at the time after first contact, prior to which, Button is actually moving at a slower rate to Alonso. As such, at no point running down to the first corner was Button further back then at the point of impact shown in that picture.

4) Kinda TLDR but you can apply this infinite number of possibilities shtick to any accident or race result in the history of F1. I don't see how you can post that and be serious about it.

That was kind of the point I was making about it being nothing more then a racing incident, shit happens, no point doing ifs and buts about who would have finished where etc etc.

Alonso turned in on him, which in that situation is daft - it's not as if there isn't enough room for the cars to get through the first corner safely - right afterwards 3 cars do all get round abreast of each other...

Why on earth, everytime I quote ST does this quote come up in my typing box, very annoying, argh! Sod it, while it's quoting it, he had nowhere to go with Schumacher turning to his left.

 

[ECA]

k..

1) Actually, I just commented to my friend and Alonso fan that I thought he'd have won if Button didn't hit him.

2) From the video I watched, his front wing is behind Alonso's seat. If you look at a profile of the F10, you'll see that isn't half way yet.

3) Show me an overhead of it (not 100m away from the corner, but the actual corner approach) and I may concede.

4) Kinda TLDR but you can apply this infinite number of possibilities shtick to any accident or race result in the history of F1. I don't see how you can post that and be serious about it.

 

[ST^]

So you're just going to call me a troll every now and then? I believe something different than some other people. Doesn't make me a troll. Or if it does, I couldn't care less. Report me to a mod if you think I'm shitting stuff up.

That overhead shot is so blurry, but all I can tell from it is that he is in line with the airbox, which is not the half way point of an F10 Even further back if you consider just the wheelbase. I've never even heard of such a rule. It's down to the drivers to judge the situation and exercise good racing etiquette. Button could have avoided a collision, while Alonso probably couldn't see shit in his dinky little mirrors.

 

[kirennia]

That overhead shot is so blurry, but all I can tell from it is that he is in line with the airbox, which is not the half way point of an F10 Even further back if you consider just the wheelbase.

It's the full length so the front and rear wings count as well I presume you're talking about the airbox which lines up with the drivers head?

This is going to get silly but nonetheless:

I even used paint to make sure it was pixel perfect in case of any discrepancies (was an odd number so move that line half a pixel backwards too, haha). The first corner still was done just after the collision too so Button was further ahead of this point prior to the collision and crucially, also prior to Alonso turning.

Again, not saying it was Alonsos fault because it wasn't; he had nowhere to go but similarly, this wasn't Buttons fault, nor any of the others. Racing incident.

 

[Calo]

The fact is, Vettel would have won 2 races if he hadn't a shit team.

I really think he's the coming world champion if he drives a car that won't explode everytime..

 

[Kryten]

He's a damned good driver without a doubt. I wonder how good Red Bull/Vettel will look however when their semi-active suspension is either ruled illegal or used by every other team on the grid (remember the diffusers? )

 

[JingleBells]

 

[ECA]

The fact is, Vettel would have won 2 races if he hadn't a shit team.

I really think he's the coming world champion if he drives a car that won't explode everytime..

You think he'd be winning races if he was driving for BMW?

Yes he's better than Webber but until we see him perform over a few seasons in a car that isnt one of the fastest on the grid ( ala Lewis last season ) it's hard to judge just how fast he is.

 

[ST^]

Lewis didn't exactly perform last season until the car was better / at tracks that suited it. I think it's safe to assume that Vettel is in the top tier of drivers this season.

 

[Embattle]

The fact is, Vettel would have won 2 races if he hadn't a shit team.

I really think he's the coming world champion if he drives a car that won't explode everytime..

He is good and his car is one of the fastest but it doesn't last, to win a race you've got to make it to the end.

 

[Jupitus]

Soooo... we have Hamilton fastest in practice, with JB fourth, a good showing from Mercedes and the Red Bull still quick. The Ferraris were running with heavy fuel, but we know they have good race pace.....

Looks like McClaren like the circuit and Mercedes have made some headway -could be a good race

 

[Aph3x]

Practice sessions tell us about as much as pre season testing does, you dont know set ups, fuel loads and if teams are trying new parts out.

I wouldnt be suprised if Lewis came back very strongly this weekend tho, he for me had the drive of is short career last week, easily the best driver on the track and having JB beat him will have really fired him up.

 

[ECA]

If you've read about the mirror changes, Red bull and ferrari along with some other teams have to move their mirrors for safety reasons - mercedes/mclaren and I think renault, don't.

A bunch of other teams do/dont but it will be interesting to see if it makes any difference.

 

[Calo]

He is good and his car is one of the fastest but it doesn't last, to win a race you've got to make it to the end.

Yes and if he had a good car that wouldn't break down he would probably won both races. I'm srry but Vettel already proved that he is a world class driver.. just like rosberg.

I'm dead serious that if you put vettel in a GOOD ferrari car he wins the world championship.

 

[Kryten]

He's not in a bad Ferrari car either at the moment though is he

Vettel is without doubt a world class driver, certainly amongst or beyond Alonso and Hamilton. However you really can't start to compare them as drivers without having them all in the same team. That already happened with Alonso and Hamilton and we all know the outcome of that.

The Big V deserves a win and deserves a championship. I think he's a little bit along the lines of Jean Alesi, deserving but never quite having the means or luck.

 

[ECA]

Lol @ Ferrari and Mclaren.

When will people learn.

GO DO 3 LAPS AT THE START OF Q3.

Jaysus.

 

[Kryten]

They needed to get to Q3 first, mate

 

[kirennia]

Awesome qualifying and I fail to see how this could be anything but an awesome race... very much looking forward to tomorrow now.

 

[Jupitus]

What a pick n mix!!!

 

[ST^]

I hate all of this weather-induced excitement. Really want to see a good dry race for once.

 

[kirennia]

Awesome qualifying and I fail to see how this could be anything but an awesome race... very much looking forward to tomorrow now.

Shows what I know... not awful but not exactly a great race.

 

[Kryten]

Needed rain

Inspired drive by Lewis and Fernando - the latter very unlucky to blow the engine though. That'll be a penalty for next race for gearbox replacement.

Deserved result for the Red Bulls although Webber didn't seem too pleased.

 

[Jupitus]

This looks quite a ride

BBC Sport - F1 - Sebastien Buemi escapes 200mph crash unhurt in Shanghai

Notice him steering? Awww bless....

 

[razeredge]

This looks quite a ride

BBC Sport - F1 - Sebastien Buemi escapes 200mph crash unhurt in Shanghai

Notice him steering? Awww bless....

Here's the video YouTube - Buemi Torro Rosso Crash @ F1 Shanghai China 2010
Looks like the new ultraquick pitstop mechanism needs some work

 

[Malecheon]

Quite funny to watch the wheels just ping off in random directions, but that would be deadly if the car was in the middle of the pack and it happened going into the first corner.

"Sebastien, you have no change of winning the race, activate the bouncing wheels weapon and see who you can take out..."

 

[Kryten]

Well it might help if he's only a couple of hundred yards behind the leader - he was doing just under 200mph at the time of "detachment" and his wheels fucked right off past him, probably hitting about 250mph. Wonder if that'd count...

 

[Calo]

Vettel again on pole position.

If his car stay's intact he will probably finish first again simply the fastest car atm.

 

[Rubber Bullets]

Particularly enjoying seeing Schumacher out qualified by Rosberg by 7/10ths of a second, and 5 places on the grid.

RB

 

[Kryten]

Interested to see how it pains out in the rain, assuming it does. Will the 'Bulls be as quick? The McLarens are mighty close and especially with Lewis in the rain, it could be tight-fought. I'll go as far as saying if Vettel and the Bull's can retain their speed in the rain, they'll be a certain championship double act.