Formula 1 The F1 jibber jabber thread.

[Talyn]

And what precisely is wrong with being a dirty pervert?

Nothing at all, look at Wij.

But anyway, Hunt is one of my all time fave F1 drivers, the fact he was a womaniser just made him all the more interesting!

 

[Wij]

Hey, fuck you !

Not an insult, I want to fuck you...

...in the ear.


OH YEAH !

 

[Jupitus]

Lets take today as an example; he knew Mark Webber was considerably faster then himself, Vettel was behind by a huge margin and loosing a few seconds a lap due to issues so what does he do? Continues to push on 49 lap old tyres, regardless of the fact that he's one of the most aggressive racers in the field on his tyres. To me, that seems daft...whether or not that was the reason for his second to last lap blowout, it was a plain stupid choice.

I'll pull you up on this one

They had just found out that Vettel, in the same spec car as Webber, was having a very serious brake wear issue, so it made perfect sense to try to keep pressure on Webber. The fact that he set the fastest lap of the race on those '49 lap old' tyres is an indication that they were still in decent condition, a fact borne out later as well with the team confirming the tyres were being monitored.

I'm no fanboi of any of them, by the way, but that was just a bit too daft

Enjoyed the race, but far from a classic, still plenty of variety and changes in relative performance going on to keep it spicy.... I suspect Monaco will be a bore unless we have some kind of topsy turvy grid....

 

[Chilly]

funky qualis at monaco could yield some unlikely grid formations. if quali is split, then local conditions changing intraday could affect group a more than group b. would be a monafest in the papers but it would be pretty amusing to see some hardcore racing happen as a result.

 

[ST^]

They had just found out that Vettel, in the same spec car as Webber, was having a very serious brake wear issue, so it made perfect sense to try to keep pressure on Webber. The fact that he set the fastest lap of the race on those '49 lap old' tyres is an indication that they were still in decent condition, a fact borne out later as well with the team confirming the tyres were being monitored.

Pressure? On Webber? He was positively cruising since the pit stops. I doubt his engineer even bothered to tell him about Hamilton's increased pace.

 

[caLLous]

Yes, pressure on Webber in case the same thing happened to him as happened to Vettel and he had to slow down to see the car to the end of the race...

 

[Jupitus]

Oh, and another quick funny - Massa gets a knock to his front wing, and Rob Smedley says 'half a second, who needs aero' or similar

 

[Scouse]

funky qualis at monaco could yield some unlikely grid formations.

I read that as "funky quails", before wondering what small birds had to do with anything

 

[Jupitus]

Just seen that Alonso stacked his car in final practice... that's a bit of a bummer for him

 

[Grits]

Alonso damaged his chassis, he'll start from pit lane. I've always liked Weber, I'm glad to see him finally in the best car. Like Button, who I also like, Weber languished in middling cars for years.

I understand the history of Monaco, but I really dislike that event. I hate, absolutely loath, the bland Tilke designed modern tracks, leave it to a German to suck every bit of passion out of a sport built on passion and turn it into a sterile architectural exercise. I much prefer old tracks with character like Spa, Silverstone, and Monza even if they might not be perfect on "paper" like Tilke's abominations, but Monaco is not even a race, its a parade, qualifying is the race unless someone shunts in front of you. It will never go away, but its my least favorite to watch.

As a side note, what did you guys think of USF1? Peter Windsor was a long time F1 insider with his Williams ties, and I was really hoping it would come to fruition, but it now looks like it was mostly smoke and mirrors and not much substance.

 

[Embattle]

Yet again from a racing point of view Monaco is utterly boring to watch, there is just no where that is practical to over take at all.

 

[Grits]

Alonso did some overtaking, but most of them were drivers ahead not contesting the pass much. I'm happy for Weber, I'd like to see him win the championship, and the way he is driving I dont see why he cant. He out drove everyone today, even Vettel.

 

[Embattle]

There is no doubt the RB is the car of the moment.

 

[kirennia]

Anyone actually agree Schumacher deserved that 20 second penalty? That's just ridiculous in my eyes as the green lights were on, there were no safety car boards and he had passed the white line...

 

[leviathane]

ye but seem to forget, Damon hill was stewarding Therefore schumacher should be banned

/edit

but on a more serious/topical note, shouldn't of been given a penalty imo, if it was indeed clearly finalised postions then just make him finish where he would of. Then in future ppl will know this rule.

 

[ST^]

I don't see how you can call it 'ridiculous'. They didn't just decide on a whim -- the rules say he wasn't allowed to overtake.

 

[Dr_Weasel]

I dont think its as clear cut as that. It looks like Race Control may have dropped the ball on this one.

The race didnt technically finish under SC conditions. The safety car had been flashing its green lights to say that the SC conditions were ending.

If we also compare a previous race that finished under SC conditions;

Australia 2009 - autosport.com - Photo Gallery: Australian GP Sunday (2009)
Finished under safety car - SC boards still on display

Monaco 2010 - autosport.com - Photo Gallery: Monaco GP Sunday (2010)
Apparently finished under the safety car too - Green flags out and no SC boards.

So this whole thing about the SC always goes into the pits on the last lap is just bull in this case. It went into the pit because it had been recalled, not because it was the last lap. Therefore race on from the safety car line imo.

Im not a huge Merc fan, but I think this was unjust. If they wanted to finish the race under SC conditions, then the boards and flags should have been out as per what happened in Australia 2009.

 

[Krazeh]

So this whole thing about the SC always goes into the pits on the last lap is just bull in this case. It went into the pit because it had been recalled, not because it was the last lap. Therefore race on from the safety car line imo.

Im not a huge Merc fan, but I think this was unjust. If they wanted to finish the race under SC conditions, then the boards and flags should have been out as per what happened in Australia 2009.

Actually the regulations do say that the SC goes into the pit on the last lap even if the race is under SC conditions. There's no discussion about that point, the regulations are quite clear about it. What is open for discussion is whether race control called the SC in in order to comply with the regulations or whether they did it because they were satisfied the hazard was clear and the track was safe to race upon again. I would hope that the stewards had checked this with race control before deciding what to do with Schumacher and factored that into their decision. I do however think race control may have dropped the ball if the SC was called in for the former reason and it wasn't made clear that the flags should remain at yellow, don't think that's a good enough reason to overlook the advantage gained by the overtake tho.

I would also add that, regardless of the flag colour, in my opinion the teams should have probably exercised some caution and all instructed their drivers to remain in position for the final corner. I feel it would have been reckless to have had drivers all bunched up and frantically jostling for position on the final corner of the race, it'd just be an invitation for accidents. Luckily it'd seem most teams did either instruct their drivers to stay put or, at the least, didn't tell them to attempt to overtake.

 

[Dr_Weasel]

Actually the regulations do say that the SC goes into the pit on the last lap even if the race is under SC conditions.

Sorry I wasnt clear, I wasnt disputing that. I meant that I believe that the excuse the stewards used for penalising him was because of the following rule;

40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

However, rule 40.11 says;

40.11 When the clerk of the course decides it is safe to call in the safety car the message "SAFETY CAR IN THIS LAP" will be displayed on the timing monitors and the car's orange lights will be extinguished This will be the signal to the teams and drivers that it will be entering the pit lane at the end of that lap.
:
As the safety car is approaching the pit entry the yellow flags and SC boards will be withdrawn and replaced by waved green flags with green lights at the Line. These will be displayed until the last car crosses the Line.

The lights were out, the boards were in and the green flags being waved. This is not finishing the race under safety car conditions.

As you can see from the Australia 2009 picture I posted, where that race did finish under SC conditions, the SC pulled into the pits, yet the SC boards and yellow flags were still out along with the chequered flag.

 

[Scouse]

I feel it would have been reckless to have had drivers all bunched up and frantically jostling for position on the final corner of the race, it'd just be an invitation for accidents.

Fuck it. They're paid to race in risky conditions.

F1's becoming too bleeding pussy if drivers of cars that are in a slow moving train can't start racing just because they're "bunched up" a bit.

 

[Scouse]

The lights were out, the boards were in and the green flags being waved. This is not finishing the race under safety car conditions.

Yup. And they all went for it...

 

[leviathane]

most the drivers seems to put their foot down and go for it for the last corner, so it would seem none were clear on this rule.

 

[ECA]

I agree w/ the penalty - the rule says on the last lap the SC will come in ( to avoid safety car wins the race type photos/coverage ) but it's still classed as finishing under the safety car.

The mitigating circumstances are the marshalls fucking up and waving green flags etc.


The silly part is - if you apply the sensible ruling - that the confusion by the stewards contributed to it - you'd just penalise schumacher one place ( ie the overtake never happened ) and not penalise him because of the stewards/marshalls - but this is F1 and ofc the sensible solution is almost never taken

 

[Vasconcelos]

I dont think its as clear cut as that. It looks like Race Control may have dropped the ball on this one.

The race didnt technically finish under SC conditions. The safety car had been flashing its green lights to say that the SC conditions were ending.

If we also compare a previous race that finished under SC conditions;

Australia 2009 - autosport.com - Photo Gallery: Australian GP Sunday (2009)
Finished under safety car - SC boards still on display

Monaco 2010 - autosport.com - Photo Gallery: Monaco GP Sunday (2010)
Apparently finished under the safety car too - Green flags out and no SC boards.

So this whole thing about the SC always goes into the pits on the last lap is just bull in this case. It went into the pit because it had been recalled, not because it was the last lap. Therefore race on from the safety car line imo.

Im not a huge Merc fan, but I think this was unjust. If they wanted to finish the race under SC conditions, then the boards and flags should have been out as per what happened in Australia 2009.

40.13

Special rules prevail over general.

I dont agree with the 20secs penalty, they should have just relegate him to his original position, but still, dumb as the 40.13 rule is, he wasnt allowed to overtake, hence the penalty.

 

[Ch3tan]

What the fuck was Vettel thinking? Crazy!

 

[Shagrat]

hahahahahahaha.

what the hell was Vettel doing there.

rofl.

 

[Rulke]

Nice competition between Hamilton and Button - good to see some excitement in a dry F1 race at last

 

[Ch3tan]

yep, but ruined by the low fuel loads in the end :/

 

[ECA]

It seems like the Mclarens were only so competitive because of the slightly iffy fuel loads, although who knows if the Red Bulls were going to have to save at the end as well.

A good result for Webber though... he widened the gap between him and Vettel, but perhaps not so comfy given that Mclaren seem to be closing the performance gap.

Yet again Massa beats Alonso as well

 

[Noc0de]

It seems like the Mclarens were only so competitive because of the slightly iffy fuel loads, although who knows if the Red Bulls were going to have to save at the end as well.

Yeah, apparently Webber went into 'fuel-save' mode on the lap that Vettel and him crashed. That's why Vettel was able to get so close to him. After that lap Vettel would have to have saved fuel as well - source.