Formula 1 The F1 jibber jabber thread.

[Kryten]

Jesus H Christ - the bloke in the white mac was lucky to get out of there walking/with legs

 

[ford prefect]

Is it just me, or does Ben Gallop try to make this new F1 like a good deal for BBC viewers?

BBC - Sport Editors: New F1 deal explained

 

[JingleBells]

Is it just me, or does Ben Gallop try to make this new F1 like a good deal for BBC viewers?

BBC - Sport Editors: New F1 deal explained

Every statement the BBC has put out has tried to do this, even Jake when twittering. It's a complete farce, just read the comments to see that everyone is unhappy

I put a one-liner on twitter about this, and I've seen several people say the same thing - if they want to save money just scrap BBC3. Not to mention the fact their move to "Media City" in Salford is costing £900m, and that won't even have factored in replacing all the equipment monthly after it's been nicked.

 

[Chilly]

The thing is, Bernie charges SO much for it, at some point the decision has to be made that it's become too expensive to pay for from the licence. You could also argue that the BBC increased the potential value of the coverage to a commercial operator by increasing the viewing figures and should therefore get some kind of discount or special dispensation from Bernie, but no. Sky will get it, viewing figures will drop, advertisers will QQ at Bernie and he'll either have to dual licence it properly or go back to a free to view channel that can give the advertisers the eyeballs they want.

 

[Krazeh]

Every statement the BBC has put out has tried to do this, even Jake when twittering. It's a complete farce, just read the comments to see that everyone is unhappy

That's kinda to be expected tho isn't it? They're the public face of the BBC so are hardly going to be saying "this is a shit deal and it'll be rubbish for you all".

I put a one-liner on twitter about this, and I've seen several people say the same thing - if they want to save money just scrap BBC3. Not to mention the fact their move to "Media City" in Salford is costing £900m, and that won't even have factored in replacing all the equipment monthly after it's been nicked.

Yep, surely there's better places for them to save money than part-scrapping their F1 coverage. Used to watch some stuff on BBC3 but now it's only on when they're showing Family Guy or American Dad. Some of the stuff they advertise between episodes is just shocking tho, like some comedy show (or at least I think that's what it's supposed to be) where one of the 'hilarious' sketches is someone going to a garden store and using one of the BBQs to test it. Is this really what our license fee is getting spent on?

 

[Corran]

Least BBC3 gets used sometimes, dont think I EVER have had BBC4 on, and it is that which they are doing everything to protect. So much shit is on the additional BBC channels you wonder how they think it is worth the money.

And you cant blame Bernie, as he basically an employee now and he has to make the owners their money back after all they spent buying it. . . and tbh Im still confused because I thought that BBC had the rights already purchased until 2013 from the last deal, so no idea wtf happened there. Sounds like a sell out to me. Not read the article yet though, as I know I will laugh at it.

I got SkySports, but I am still unhappy at this because I miss the BBC crew other than Jake. Sky should hire them to do the job on sky, and share the costs for the bbc shown races. Would save the BBC some money to buy a couple more races

 

[MYstIC G]

In all honesty, BBC3 is good because it keeps all the bullshit on a channel I don't care about. As shitty as this is BBC can't loose Wimbledon because that would be even more awful.

This isn't a good solution though, can you imagine shit race + great commentary on BBC followed by great race + shit commentary on Sky or vice versa... ugh.

 

[Corran]

pitpass - BBC and Sky: Who is really to blame and who should really stop it?

quite an interesting read, and it funny to see that the BBC neglect to say it was THEM that chose to break the current contract, and that it was THEM that went to Sky whilst Bernie was actually speaking to ITV and Channel 4... and that the only reason BBC went to sky was they didnt want to let it go to someone they are in direct competition with.

 

[Krazeh]

pitpass - BBC and Sky: Who is really to blame and who should really stop it?

Interesting read altho i'm not sure I agree with him on his interpretation of the Concorde Agreement and how it applies to showing F1 on pay tv.

 

[Corran]

Watching Grand Prix: the killer years -
shivers going down the spine seeing and hearing stories of what happened in the 60s and 70s ... how these drivers had the guts to get in the car I do not know because I wouldnt be able too.

Thank god for Jackie Stewart to push for safety rules to be implemented.

And no wonder when you are seeing the magnesium bodied honda on fire, burning so hot that there no way to put it out. Seriously that sort of thing was just insane.

As much as I thought I knew about them times, when it is condensed into an hour long show you realise how bad it was.

 

[Jupitus]

Watching Grand Prix: the killer years -

Where is that? TV?

EDIT... google fixed that... I'll have a look!

 

[Corran]

Think the most chilling scene was early on where they show you the body being dragged from the car covered in dust/foam from a fire extinguisher. Sent shivers down my spine. And to think it was common pace to lose 4-5 racers a season and no one would blink an eye. crazy

 

[DaGaffer]

I remember when I was a nipper it was usually a driver every couple of years, and then there was a big gap after Elio De Angelis (who's death affected me quite a lot; I'd met him a couple of times when I was a kid and he was a lovely bloke, back when F1 drivers were pretty accessible if you went to practice and testing), before the Senna/Ratzenberger weekend, which was one of the reasons why it was such a big shock.

I think the worst I read about though, was Francois Cevert:

At Watkins Glen, with Stewart having already clinched his third World Championship, Cevert was killed during Saturday morning qualifying, while battling for pole position with Ronnie Peterson. In the fast left-right uphill combination called "The Esses"[4] Cevert's car was a little too far over towards the left side of the track, getting a bump from the kerbs.[5] This made it swerve towards the right-hand side of the track, where it touched the track's signature powder blue safety barriers causing it to spin and crash into the barriers on the other side of the track at a near 90° angle, uprooting and lifting the barrier. Cevert died instantly of massive injuries inflicted by the barrier, which cut his body in half between his neck and hip.

Cevert had crashed violently in the uphill Esses heading onto the back of the circuit. Fighting the car as he went up the hill, he brushed the curb on the left, whipped across the track and hit the guardrail on the right. The car began to spin, and he swerved back across the track at 150 mph and hit the outside guardrail almost head-on, Stewart said.

Jackie Stewart was one of the first on the scene of Cevert's accident and said later "They [the marshalls] had left him [in the car], because he was so clearly dead." Stewart immediately left the scene of the accident and returned to the pits. Because of Cevert's death, Tyrell withdrew its entry for this GP, and Stewart did not run his final, and 100th race.

 

[caLLous]

Lol, lewis = beast at the end of q2. Wtf was maldonado thinking afterwards though.

 

[Corran]

Hope they ban the fucker from the race. Show the drivers that the behaviour is unacceptable as you putting peoples lifes at risk for no reason at all other then being a bitter little bitch!

If they make a heavy example it will never happen again, but I doubt that they will.

 

[ECA]

Should get a 3 race ban or something, that shit is not cool.

 

[Corran]

2nd on the grid with a car held together by gaffer tape. fuck yeah.

Senna and Jamie ahead of Alonso \o/

 

[caLLous]

Fucking Vettel! I thought Lewis had it then. :-(

 

[Tuthmes]

Fucking Vettel! I thought Lewis had it then. :-(

Same! :|

 

[Corran]

I knew that Vettel would get it. Last of the top drivers with a great tow of the mclaren in some areas.
With that said, as long as they let Hamilton get his car fixed up (ie sidepod replaced), then it should be a great race.
Alonso needs to fly past people off the line else he could find himself being held up for a long time

 

[Corran]

haha, what a shocker. Just a 5place grid penalty for maldonaldo.... and a warning for hamilton oO
rather predictable that

 

[Kryten]

Fucking daft "penalty" :

F1 2011 - Spa - Onboard Hamilton when Maldonado Crashes into him (HD) - YouTube

 

[Krazeh]

Fucking daft "penalty" :

Assuming you're talking about Hamilton's reprimand we just have to assume that the stewards had access to some data that led them to the conclusion that Hamilton's actions contributed to the incident in some way. Perhaps they felt that given the circumstances he could have, for example, slowed more to ensure that Maldonado was clear? I still think Maldonado was at fault but it does take two cars to have a collision.

 

[Kryten]

Not Hamilton's reprimand no - that was harsh by all means; he didn't really have a choice. If he hadn't, would Pastor have been penalised for illegally blocking? In case you're wondering, Hamilton's reprimand was not for any part in the incident in the video above - it was for tapping Maldo in the Bus Stop chicane.

However there is absolutely no doubt in what Maldofuckwit was trying to do. There was absolutely no reason for him to catch up to, pass and cut up/swerve/intimidate/hit Hamilton. There was no reason for him to be anything closer than 2s behind him. Yet he still did it. Hamilton's only move right was to follow the curve of the track and - well there's no point trying to explain Pastonutter's actions other than confirming he should be booted out for a few races for bringing the sport into disrepute. But the FIA manage that well enough on their own.

 

[caLLous]

Hamilton jinked to the right a *smidge* but it was about 3 seconds before Pastowankstain swerved right across the front. In fact he came across with such force and intent that he put two wheels on the grass, I didn't notice that earlier. On the last corner at the end of his flying lap I admit I at first thought "oh jesus Lewis, you gone done it again" but on reflection (with the aid of replays and DC's soothing words) he was clearly ahead and had every right to push for the line.

I liked Maldocumbucket but only because the way Brundle says his name sounds like Alan Partridge. :\

...but it does take two cars to have a collision.

Explain this please.

 

[Krazeh]

Not Hamilton's reprimand no - that was harsh by all means; he didn't really have a choice. If he hadn't, would Pastor have been penalised for illegally blocking? In case you're wondering, Hamilton's reprimand was not for any part in the incident in the video above - it was for tapping Maldo in the Bus Stop chicane.

Where'd you learn that? Because the FIA statements detailing the penalty for each driver don't appear to specify the exact incident they relate to. They do however both state the same time of incident which at first glance would seem to indicate they're referring to the same thing.

Explain this please.

Isn't it fairly self explanatory? A collision between two cars requires two cars? And while in cases the car being hit is essentially just there for the ride there are plenty of cases where avoiding action could have been taken.

 

[caLLous]

Hmm yes ok I'll give you that one. I was thinking that it was pretty obvious that two cars had to be physically involved in order to collide but I guess you mean they both have to be complicit in said collision.

 

[Embattle]

In case a few of you missed it when it was on before - BBC iPlayer - Grand Prix: The Killer Years

 

[Kryten]

Krazeh - believe it was Autosport that detailed that. I've been trying to get someone else to confirm though. The incident time on the penalty information sheets is not specific - it's only rounded off, and 30 seconds is a hell of a long way around the track

 

[caLLous]

Maldonado penalized for Hamilton incident | Formula 1 Blog

Let the record show that the FIA did not punish Lewis Hamilton in his post Q2 lap in which there was a coming together of Williams F1’s Pastor Maldonado and the McLaren driver.

Not sure which record he is referring to...