Formula 1 The F1 jibber jabber thread.

[Gumbo]

So sad, I was jumping around the living room in May when he won the Indy 500, I've had tears in my eyes tonight.

Rip Dan

 

[Tuthmes]

First Time Ever Eye-Level Camera Formula 1 - Lucas di Grassi | Real Driver Point Of View - YouTube

 

[ECA]

Thanks Tuthmes, that was awesome.

 

[MYstIC G]

Aye nice one Tut.

Loved the pit button at the end.

 

[Kryten]

It is a great video however I will be quick to point out it's far from the first eye level cam in F1 - there's one from Mark Blundell from the mid 90's and another one from a Ferrari I think more recently.

 

[caLLous]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/formula_one/15489950.stm

Oh, Lewis.

 

[Kryten]

Oh Lewis what? He was penalised for not slowing down in a *green flag* situation. It was an error by 2 fucknut marshalls, and a fucknut steward upheld it for absolutely no reason. So 2 drivers have been penalised for the mistakes of circuit staff. Complete and utter bollocks imo!

 

[caLLous]

Oh, that wasn't the way I was led to believe it had happened by the beeb website. They said it was double-waved yellows because there were marshalls near the track dealing with Maldonado's off. Yay the beeb. :\

 

[Kryten]

That was the very reason they were waved in the first place. Marshalls long cleared and green lights were showing. I can't speak for an F1 driver obviously but if I'm in one of those cars, I'll be watching the FIA controlled lights on my dashboard/wheel - not what some new marshalls trackside are waving.

 

[Access Denied]

Agree with Kryten here. Why did the steward uphold it all when the flags were waved in error? I'm a fan of Lewis, though as an all-round driver I prefer Button, and I have seen much this season to suggest that he has a big case for claiming the stewards are biased against him.

 

[caLLous]

Yeah if it was waved in error and the official FIA thing said green flag then surely they can't uphold the punishment.

Is it the same stewards every race apart from the "driver representative"?

 

[Jupitus]

Sorry guys, but I'm gonna play devil's advocate. There are 2 available methods of displaying track status, the electronic and the manual flags... having a discrepancy between them, the driver must always err on the side of caution regardless of the reason for the discrepancy. What the FIA are doing is just reinforcing the need for drivers to do so. For example, what if there was an incident just round that corner which the trackside marshalls had spotted just that instant, and the electronic system had not yet been set?

 

[Corran]

Sorry guys, but I'm gonna play devil's advocate. There are 2 available methods of displaying track status, the electronic and the manual flags... having a discrepancy between them, the driver must always err on the side of caution regardless of the reason for the discrepancy. What the FIA are doing is just reinforcing the need for drivers to do so. For example, what if there was an incident just round that corner which the trackside marshalls had spotted just that instant, and the electronic system had not yet been set?

Its quicker to press a button then it is to find the correct flags, pick them up and start waving them though!

 

[Jupitus]

Its quicker to press a button then it is to find the correct flags, pick them up and start waving them though!

Perhaps so, but the guy pushing the button is in a control room somewhere, the marshalls are at the scene... or do the marshalls push the buttons these days? I honestly don't know....

 

[Corran]

As far as I know, the marshalls need to be told to use the flags, else they could just do whatever they want when they want (well they can anyways if they wanted to ruin the race) ... so would expect the control room to issue the instruction to both at the same time. Could be wrong though, just seems common sense not to leave it up to each and every marshall to decide when to do something as they not paid to make race changing decisions

 

[Kryten]

Regardless of erring on the side of caution or not, it's still punishing for the circuit staff's fuckup. If that was qualifying, I'd be absolutely seething and I would expect Hamilton to quite rightly find the nearest steward and lamp the cunt.

 

[Gumbo]

The marshalls are supposed to watch their track and react accordingly, especially in regards to yellows, they then have a marshall at each post wired into race control who will give extra instructions.

It seems no doubt that the marshall(s) waving the yellow flags were waving them in error, but at the same time Lewis should have slowed if he saw waved yellows, no matter what his wheel or the lights were saying. Often the flag will come out even before a car has finished it's crash, certainly before race control operate the lights. Who was Lewis to say that they weren't waving for a later incident than Maldonados?

I'm normally the biggest Hamilton fan, but he's dropped a bit of a clanger here, especially in FP where setting the fastest time doesn't really matter.

Of course in previous times where sector times weren't being so closely monitored to see if drivers were lifting you could do what Hakinnen used to do. ie take a hand off the wheel, wave at the marshalls as you pass the scene where they are working to acknowledge it and show you were, of course being cautious, all the while keeping your foot absolutely buried!

 

[Corran]

That doesnt work now though, as they would just request the recordings of throttle power to check and then punish you still. Especially if it isnt a Ferrari

 

[ECA]

Hah, finally Massa gets a penalty.

 

[Kryten]

I laughed at that!
I will repeat something from IRC though which I thoroughly agree with, and will lighten up any Grand Prix for years to come:

[10:17] <JingleBells> Also, what price a red button option in which you can have Rowan Atkinson's reaction to every incident through the season? #F1

 

[ECA]

Hah I said that during the race, I'd use the 2nd TV and pay £20 a race just to have it on his face the whole race

 

[Krazeh]

http://youtu.be/NEggu65g7M8?hd=1

 

[Access Denied]

Massa is being a childish little twat at the moment. He has stated that he didn't see Hamilton but then went on to say that he braked later into the corner, methinks there's porkies being told somewhere. Mind you he may have a case, I mean if he can't see two bright orange curbs in front of his car how is he supposed to see another car beside him?

 

[Tuthmes]

One for Toht.

 

[Access Denied]

Hmm, no one has said anything about todays race. Guess when Lewis does well no one gives a shit. I laughed my arse off when Vettel went out!

 

[caLLous]

It was a definite "insta-smile" moment. Abu-Dhabi isn't exactly a mesmerizing circuit but it was an enjoyable race. Lewis had a great race, a couple of excellent pit stops for the team and he did everything he needed to do on the track. Maldonado seems to have been a bit of a liability recently.

 

[ECA]

The DRS zones made the race more interesting and ofc a nice race win for the hamham.

 

[Custodian]

Hmm, no one has said anything about todays race. Guess when Lewis does well no one gives a shit. I laughed my arse off when Vettel went out!

He is only fun when he is causing chaos - charging through the field like a champion, or off it like boy racer. Just going around alone and being gifted a win is no fun. Was hoping Alonso would catch him so they could start playing bumper cars.

More fun for me was seeing Button have to race and getting enough points to guarantee he finishes ahead of Lewis. The pundits suggested he had no chance of that when they teamed up.

 

[Corran]

Pundits didnt expect Lewis to get into shit in his personal life. Pretty much threw everything up in the air by not having his dad as manager, which meant his dad wasnt with him every race, his brother starting to race so not at the races either, no ron dennis at the races... and then turmoil with the missus (it seems it been for some time just not in the media) which meant he had absolutely no one for him personally and it clear he a driver that needs it.

That said, Jenson has done a great job to put himself with the chance to finish 2nd in the championship

 

[Kryten]

Not half a bad race. Very much enjoyed:
Lewis winning obviously, and the pride that gave his Mum.
Vettel going out on first corner.
Massa spinning.
Maldopotatohead proving he should be banned from driving anything more powerful than a golf cart.

Great drives from the top 4 drivers tbh - Lewis for a controlled generally excellent and flawless weekend. Jenson for holding off 2 faster cars whilst having no KERS without so much as a wobble. Mark for putting in the races fastest laps to get what he needed done, one after the other, and Fernando for a cracking start and trying his hardest to keep on a charging McLaren's tail.

Don't really need to say much about Lewis - I'm a huge fan, I agree with most of what's been said and think Jackie Stewart gets the nail hit on the head: emotion causes chaos in F1 drivers and Lewis is an extremely emotional person. He's no Finn, that's for sure.

I have rather enjoyed seeing an obviously improved relationship between Lewis and Fernando though - there's been a lot of two way compliments this weekend between them and it's good to see growing mutual respect.