Formula 1 The F1 jibber jabber thread.

[caLLous]

What?

Vettel has pole but Hamilton has tyre advantage | 2011 Hungarian GP pre-race analysis

The start

The clean side of the grid has a strong effect here. Fernando Alonso’s immediate reaction to being bumped from fourth to fifth by his team mate in qualifying was that he might be better off starting fifth anyway.

Starting on the left-hand side of the grid, on the racing line, gives an advantage for the first phase of the start.

Felipe Massa fears starting on dirty side of Hungaroring grid will cost him - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

"I'm not very happy to start on the bad side of the grid," said Massa. "There is a big difference between the good side and the bad side so I hope that we can have a good start."

Formula 1

"The Hungaroring isn’t used much during the year, so it’s going to be very slippery off-line. That makes the dirty side of the grid even more of a disadvantage than normal, so the easiest thing will be to qualify on pole position and disappear into the distance in the race!"

 

[Corran]

I would take the grid setup happily. Spare set of unused tires giving a car that easier on the tires then redbull an extra 3 laps of life worth a good couple of seconds.

Couple that with the long run to the first corner, and Hamilton having the inside as well as a better Kers system could actually allow him to take the lead into the corner. Infact it completely possible that Hamilton will do Vettel on the Inside and Button does him on the outside. If Mclarens get of the line well and Button doesnt cut across Hamilton to hold onto the initial advantage then Vettel has to decide who to defend against.... I cant wait for it to start tomorrow, really looking forward to the first corner. Best case scenerio.... Hamilton gets 1st, Button 2nd and Alonso tries to dart into 3rd and takes out Vettel! Wishful I guess, but I settle for Massa taking out Vettel even though I always wish Massa the best

 

[Litmus]

Jeesus. You're as blonde as my fake-blonde girlfriend

No, i didnt actually mean each race. but whats the point in showing 1/2 a season

 

[Corran]

No, i didnt actually mean each race. but whats the point in showing 1/2 a season

how it different from any other sport that only shows certain things... you only see a portion of football matches, you only see a portion of golf tournaments, a portion of tennis etc etc. You rarely see EVERY part of a competition now days so it no different.

With that said, it funny hearing the crap from the BBC about how they had a choice lose it or have some of it... but they miss out that they only in that position because they want to keep a crap channel

 

[caLLous]

Oh well, at least Vettel didn't win (but still manages to extend his lead), it was a pretty blatant drive-through for Lewis, Di Resta had to go right off the track to avoid him. Unfortunate that he changed to inters but even if he had gone straight onto primes from the super softs the drive-through would still have fucked him for top 3.

 

[Shagrat]

nice to see Jensen and Lewis jostling for position again. quite competitive racing

 

[caLLous]

Yeah and good for Jensen too, nice way to celebrate his 200th race.

 

[Kryten]

I wouldn't say it was blatant, I'd say it was a bloody tough call. He could have stayed put and posed a HUGE risk. He could have turned round and posed a HUGE risk. In Lewis's eyes, whatever he did, he was a sitting duck. He was lucky not to have caused an accident, and he may well have avoided it by spinning back round quickly. Considering how little you can see, especially on a chicane, he only had one real choice.
The call was tough because the rules say don't do it. Lewis didn't have any choice but to, then again they need to show consistency.
It didn't impact on his finishing position anyway.
It wasn't a half bad race, especially for Hungary. Glad that neither One Finger or One Brow won, even better than Jenson got it on his 200th GP.

Hungary's marshalls want shooting though, wheeling Heidfeld's explody car backwards through an active pitlane was a fucking liability. Those front-facing exhausts will be banned before you can explode a Renault.

 

[caLLous]

Hmm, I had it more as him desperately trying to lose as little time as possible and taking the risk to get going again sooner than he perhaps should've done. I also (I've only seen it as many times as the beeb replayed it) think he was off the racing line where he was and it would probably have been better to sit tight until all cars had passed (and he was facing the wrong way so he could see the oncoming traffic). Maybe he thought he had enough room to spin it whilst still allowing the cars past, maybe Di Resta totally over-reacted - it's difficult to tell.

 

[Kryten]

It's also a little easier for us to pass judgement in our armchairs Sure it's a little different under pressure with a myriad of 6 cars heading at you at full pelt

 

[Calo]

It's also a little easier for us to pass judgement in our armchairs Sure it's a little different under pressure with a myriad of 6 cars heading at you at full pelt

He was off the racing line, better to let those cars pass by then just spin full around and think everyone will get out of the way...

Well no, thats pretty much what he was thinking probably.

 

[Corran]

He was off the racing line, better to let those cars pass by then just spin full around and think everyone will get out of the way...

Well no, thats pretty much what he was thinking probably.

off the racing line? looked to me that could only get about 75% the width of a car past him, and he was rolling backwards until he spun it.... either way he was in a position of blocking the track, and given it was a chicane and wet there was the possibility of someone else making a mistake coming into it. That would have caused serious problems.

not got an issue with the penalty though, and after the option being put on instead of the prime he was always looking at 3rd place at best, possibly only the 4th place. So not much difference there.

 

[Rulke]

He lost the race when he changed to super-softs and then inters. If he'd gone straight to the primes then he'd have won.

Thought he came across well in the post race interveiw

 

[ST^]

He came across like a cunt as usual.

"I got a penalty for something which is to be expected sometimes, I guess."

Yeah, stop driving like a twat and maybe they'll stop giving you penalties.

 

[Kryten]

It's what's called driving, shit generally happens when you drive.
If you're just going to meander around and not bother trying to overtake (like Vettel for instance) then you'll never get anything done.

 

[ST^]

It's what's called driving, shit generally happens when you drive.
If you're just going to meander around and not bother trying to overtake (like Vettel for instance) then you'll never get anything done.

Shit happens when you drive like a twat.

 

[Krazeh]

What would you suggest he did then? Just leave his car parked right across the track on the exit to a chicane where there's the potential for cars to spin?

 

[ST^]

What would you suggest he did then? Just leave his car parked right across the track on the exit to a chicane where there's the potential for cars to spin?

Mainly I'd suggest he didn't swing his car around like that as it was wreckless. As a side point, a stationary car is easier for oncoming traffic to deal with than anything else, whether or not it is on the racing line.

 

[Krazeh]

Mainly I'd suggest he didn't swing his car around like that as it was wreckless. As a side point, a stationary car is easier for oncoming traffic to deal with than anything else, whether or not it is on the racing line.

And if he'd stayed there and someone else had span as they went thru the chicane? Leaving the car parked there on a slippery track isn't a realistic option.

 

[Kryten]

Sitting Duck.
I dunno about F1 drivers, but if I'd just belted through a chicane at sillyspeed MPH then I'd generally not be worried, or even looking for a car pointing in the wrong direction on the exit. By that time I'd already have t-boned the bugger and nursing a sore neck.

 

[ST^]

Look, I'm not expecting a rational argument from Lewis fanboys. Every time he gets a penalty, you lot claim that it was someone else's fault or that he was "just racing".

Kryten, if you don't watch where you're going then I hope I never have the misfortune of having to drive within 100 miles of you. You sound like a bit of a liability to be honest.

 

[caLLous]

Why do you even bother watching F1, you *never* have anything positive to say about it.

And I suppose as a Hamilton supporter, me saying that it was a blatant drive-thru offense was fanboyism at it's most fanboyistic.

 

[ST^]

I rarely have anything positive to say about anything.

 

[Kryten]

I also said it was the fairest decision (the penalty), although harsh. Lewis does get a shitload of stick, and it's not entirely surprising. The FIA were penalising Senna left, right and centre - in the days of F1 when they couldn't really give a shit, unless Senna was ahead of Prost. As for being a bit of a liability - really? You can make that judgement from there? When you're sat in a single seater, you're mostly focusing on the racing line. *Everything* else is peripheral vision.

At the time that Lewis was sat across the track, slowly rolling back even further onto the racing line, it wasn't just a single car - it was a bunch of 5, who were jostling for position themselves. They were looking in their mirrors, on the racing line, at Lewis, and at the guy in front.

 

[ECA]

ST is an unashamed Alonso fanboy and Lewis hater, so whatever.

 

[ST^]

As for being a bit of a liability - really? You can make that judgement from there?

Yep.

When you're sat in a single seater, you're mostly focusing on the racing line. *Everything* else is peripheral vision.

Do you ignore your peripheral vision?

 

[Kryten]

Of course not but it's not #1 priority at that sort of speeds, with that sort of thing going on around you.

Regardless, he had little other choice but to move, and neither you or I are best placed to really argue his decision. Perhaps Nascar is more your thing.

 

[ST^]

There is move and there is swing the fuck around like a cunt. He did the latter.

 

[Access Denied]

Jesus ST could you whinge more? Lewis fucked up, he paid the penalty. Though from the camera angle it looked like Di Resta had enough space to pass by on the track. It was a split-second decision and it was the wrong one, however, I'd like to see what you'd do in that situation. Put yourself in his cockpit:

You're leading the race and spin out so your adrenaline is pumping more than usual. You're in a tricky position on the exit of a chicane and you've got 5-6 cars comign through the chicane all jockeying for position. You don't have time to sit there and weigh up all your options so what would you do?

That's a trick question actually. If you give me a definite answer I'll call you a lying twat.

 

[Rulke]

To change the subject, this is quite a good angle on Heidfeld's explosion:

‪F1 Hungary 2011 - Heidfeld on Fire (No TV!)‬‏ - YouTube