Formula 1 The F1 jibber jabber thread.

[Gumbo]

Driver steward this week is Mansell, who was also the driver steward at Monaco when Maldonado demonstrated his idiocy in driving into Lewis. Mansell punished Lewis then too.

F1 2011 - Spa - Onboard Hamilton when Maldonado Crashes into him (HD) - YouTube

Watch Lewis's steering wheel. The only movement is the impact from Maldonado. Bear in mind also that the line on that part of the track is to follow the wall separating the Endurance pits from the track. It's after the chequered flag for the end of the session too, so there is no need to be passing anyone like that.

There is nothing more that Lewis could have done to avoid that incident, and yet Mansell punishes him, and the Williams driver gets off lightly. Expect Mansell to use any excuse to ruin Lewis's race today if possible.

 

[Corran]

well this race be no fun now ... blah

 

[Calo]

well this race be no fun now ... blah

Its big fun now without hamilton!

 

[Corran]

Its big fun now without hamilton!

clearly not. only person doing something interesting is Button. Rest is quite dull, cruise around, wait for drs, drive past! lol

 

[Calo]

clearly not. only person doing something interesting is Button. Rest is quite dull, cruise around, wait for drs, drive past! lol

aye the drs in this race is a bit too easy tbh

great race btw from button and schumacher tbh

 

[caLLous]

BBC Sport - Red Bull boss Adrian Newey feared for driver safety in Belgium

What a load of bollocks. If he was that concerned about driver safety he would've started from the pitlane with fresh tyres and an altered camber.

I'm also a bit surprised about Lewis saying his off was 100% his fault. I haven't seen it since during the race but I was sure Kobayashi turned into him at least a bit. Probably just a racing incident after all but neither driver was 100% to blame.

 

[Kahland]

Do people even use the F buttons? they're so 90s.

 

[Krazeh]

I'm also a bit surprised about Lewis saying his off was 100% his fault. I haven't seen it since during the race but I was sure Kobayashi turned into him at least a bit. Probably just a racing incident after all but neither driver was 100% to blame.

I think it may be a sign of increased maturity/sense of PR. It's not like it's going to hurt his image to announce that after watching replays he feels it was his fault and to apologise to Kobayashi and his team for it.

 

[caLLous]

Yeah first thing I thought was that he had somebody new talking to him about his image and the "right" and "wrong" things to say. I also saw footage of him in the pre-race build-up going to the Williams camp to see Maldonado after that Q2 incident. Should've been the other way round and I don't buy Maldonado's story after he learned of the penalty at all, but hey-ho.

 

[Kryten]

Is it necessarily a good thing? Regardless of how many people hate you in the paddock, is it good? Senna was universally hated and publicly stated more than once that apologising for any mistake is a sign of weakness.
Never mind, at least it won't hurt his image - Lewis seems to actually care a bit about that, unlike some people with that sort of talent.

 

[Access Denied]

When Kobayashi went into Hamilton I thought I was watching Sato come back for the day. Totally idiotic thing to do, he was driving into a wedge that was always going to disappear when Hamilton follwed the racing line. What a muppet.

 

[Kryten]

Kobi kept on a straight course and all he could have done was conceded. Hamilton however showed poor judgement and made a mistake, which he owned up to. Fair play for that. Noone is going to criticise for making a mistake and admitting to doing it.

Funny really, I've re-watched highlights and results of Hamilton's rookie year in 2007 and he made pretty much NO mistakes whatsoever and some of the best overtaking moves in F1 since the days of Senna with very few exceptions. I particularly remember his move on Raikkonen at Monza - that was a CORKER of a move with no mistake. As much of a fan of Lewis as I am, it's plain to see that his judgement and consistency has dropped considerably in the last couple of years. If he was in the Red Bulls it wouldn't be so much of a problem (he'd shit on Vettel from a great height and not have to worry about people behind him) but when he's in one of the "next best" teams and actually has to consistently score points and stay on track he's not doing quite so well. It shouldn't be the case because he's proven he can be better than *anyone* else on that grid and even now his overtaking ability is beyond just about anyone too; he just makes far too many mistakes whilst doing it these days.

 

[Access Denied]

Interesting. No posts about this weekends race. Pretty good race overall. Some good ovetakes and a brilliant start by the monobrowed Spanish twat. First corner shenanigans. And of course there's Schumacher.

I almost can't believe he didn't get investigated by the stewards for that stunt. The commentators and Lewis himself immediately stated that he moved twice in defense which is a clear violation of the regulations. Regulations that were put in place because Lewis moved twice in defense in one race. I say I almost can't believe it btu there are two reasons I do. 1: It's Schumacher. 2: Lewis has a very strong case supporting his claims that the stewards and to a certain extent the FIA are against him. If he had pulled that stunt he would've recieved a drive-through notification within a lap. There are numerous other instances where other drivers aren't penalised for doing the exact things he's been penalised for.

Now Lewis isn't perfect, the happenings over most of this season have proven that but today he showed real maturity and patience. Even after that appalling bit of nastiness from Schumacher the only way Lewis let his frustration show was to dance around behind Schumacher and harass him until he'd had enough.

 

[Ceixah]

Interesting. No posts about this weekends race. Pretty good race overall. Some good ovetakes and a brilliant start by the monobrowed Spanish twat. First corner shenanigans. And of course there's Schumacher.

I almost can't believe he didn't get investigated by the stewards for that stunt. The commentators and Lewis himself immediately stated that he moved twice in defense which is a clear violation of the regulations. Regulations that were put in place because Lewis moved twice in defense in one race. I say I almost can't believe it btu there are two reasons I do. 1: It's Schumacher. 2: Lewis has a very strong case supporting his claims that the stewards and to a certain extent the FIA are against him. If he had pulled that stunt he would've recieved a drive-through notification within a lap. There are numerous other instances where other drivers aren't penalised for doing the exact things he's been penalised for.

Now Lewis isn't perfect, the happenings over most of this season have proven that but today he showed real maturity and patience. Even after that appalling bit of nastiness from Schumacher the only way Lewis let his frustration show was to dance around behind Schumacher and harass him until he'd had enough.

The way in which mercedes handled it was enough.... Lewis would have got a penalty because McLaren would have told him to "leave space at ascari" and he'd refuse to do so... making the same move over and over...


Also Schumacher made his defensive move - but he still had to make the corner - Ie. get back onto the racing line to get round the corner, this was completely blown out of proportion to be honest, was completely safe and was handled perfectly by their team.


Also - it can't have been that difficult to overtake him as Jenson did it within one corner......


And then people will say "oh his tyres were in better condition" etc etc... thats because he sat back and watched the two squabble hoping hamilton would cause a collision which he's so adept at doing, then realising it wasn't going to happen he applied pressure himself and overtook them both.


Absolutely classy drives from the 3 podium sitters - Jaime Algesuari(sp) was fantastic too. Good race ruined by hamilton fanboys moaning about his inability to overtake michael!

Jenson's up to 51 overtakes this season now in the form of his life methinks

 

[caLLous]

Also - it can't have been that difficult to overtake him as Jenson did it within one corner......

It annoys me that Brundle kept saying this, even after DC corrected him. Schumacher's tyres were fucked by the time Jenson passed him, indeed he pitted on the next (iirc) lap so it's not a fair comparison at all. It doesn't matter what led up to it, Jenson's tyres were in better nick than Schumacher's, which is why he was able to take him so "easily". Taking nothing away from Jenson's drive though - he did good. I also thought Lewis showed more maturity than he might've done earlier in the season, there were lots of opportunities where a more hot-headed Lewis would've gone for a gap and taken them both off.

 

[Ceixah]

It annoys me that Brundle kept saying this, even after DC corrected him. Schumacher's tyres were fucked by the time Jenson passed him, indeed he pitted on the next (iirc) lap so it's not a fair comparison at all. It doesn't matter what led up to it, Jenson's tyres were in better nick than Schumacher's, which is why he was able to take him so "easily". Taking nothing away from Jenson's drive though - he did good. I also thought Lewis showed more maturity than he might've done earlier in the season, there were lots of opportunities where a more hot-headed Lewis would've gone for a gap and taken them both off.

As I said that was down to Jenson sat back waiting for them both to shoot themselves in the foot - clever driving and an all round very mature way of going through it.

A lot of people are always saying hamilton the better racer yaddyaa yaaaa when if you look at the stats you'll realise that Jenson is infact the better all round racer!

Jensons driving this season has reminded me of his first few seasons in F1 where he was "the best of the rest" after the ferraris.

Only issue I have is that this season has been on 1 hand amazing for the sport full of overtakes etc, but on the other hand has been extremely damaging for the sport having a dominant red bull driving away with the championship I fear this coupled with Sky getting the rights is going to be the beginning of the end for F1

 

[kirennia]

Hamilton, Massa... discuss:

massafansite's Channel - YouTube

massafansite's Channel - YouTube

Personally I think Hamnilton once again, made something which should have been quite straight forward... in fact, it would have been if he had of been patient... but instead did a half hearted dive and expected the other car to move over.

Massa should have responded differently but after so many altercations this year, I'm not entirely surprised he acted the way he did.

 

[ECA]

What I don't understand is the penalty.

How many times have we seen someone lose their front end getting a little too close?

5-10? Maybe more? And not one single penalty.

Hamilton does it and insta penalty.

There is a real lack of consistency when applying the rules to Hamilton.

 

[Krazeh]

Personally I think Hamnilton once again, made something which should have been quite straight forward... in fact, it would have been if he had of been patient... but instead did a half hearted dive and expected the other car to move over.

I don't think he did anything of the sort. I think he'd already accepted he wasn't going to pass him on that corner but was intent on staying as close as possible to try another pass further down the track. If you watch the in-car footage from Hamilton's car you can see him begin to turn in, then his front wheels lock up and his front wing contacts Massa's rear wheel. Had his wheels not locked up there's every chance he would have made the turn just behind Massa with no contact at all.

 

[Embattle]

What I don't understand is the penalty.

How many times have we seen someone lose their front end getting a little too close?

5-10? Maybe more? And not one single penalty.

Hamilton does it and insta penalty.

There is a real lack of consistency when applying the rules to Hamilton.

I think the difference yesterday was that Hamilton caused Massa to lose a mountain of time because of the incident, thus he got a drive through.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/15054429.stm - I tend to view this with a different mindset, for example the other people who are given as examples of sport personalities managed by XIX Entertainment highlight the issue with another person perhaps not focusing on what made him but rather money he can make elsewhere.

 

[Access Denied]

Interesting comments on the yahoo news report about that incident. Read more Lewis bashing with a surprising amount of Massa bashing. That was a racing incident, the commentators and most of the damn teams thought so. Would've been interesting to see what Massa got if the situation was reversed.

 

[ECA]

We all know what would have happened - fuck all.

Look at Rosberg in Singapore, 3 incidents of which at least 2 were pretty damn bad and deserved a penalty and nothing.

 

[Kryten]

Schumacher has done it several times this year and received nothing more than a reprimand - and that was for launching himself over Perez. Yeah that was a racing incident but it goes to show there's a decent amount of bias going on.

It was a racing incident between Ham and Mas but it just needs to be left at that. Massa got riled up in quali because Ham wanted past and quite rightly too - Massa was being a slow git.

Shame really as Massa and Hamilton are actually quite good friends - or were, at least!

I'm not going to add to any Anti-Lewis crap because he's still the most exciting thing to happen to F1 in years and his driving style is really good to watch. It was a shame to see him hampered so much by another shit starting Webber and falling back a bit but the drive back up the field from 16th was another classy piece of work.

 

[ECA]

Japan was good, who else is getting up to watch the race live tomorrow?

 

[Punishment]

Me, i watched qualifying and after getting pole Hamilton looked angry

 

[Punishment]

I haven't watched F1 in afew yesrs since Jordan flopped which made me sad

 

[caLLous]

What was up with Lewis then? I didn't watch quali yesterday but he seemed quite a bit down after his pole lap and in the interviews. He seemed happier today but didnt want to talk about whatever it was.

Also, Brundle, after Petrov was pushed into the garage with the broken steering rod:

..he's russian nowhere at the moment.

 

[Rulke]

He's gone all emo for some reason, whether he's fed up with everyone hating on him or something else. His pole lap was blistering, pity his pace vs Vettel in the race was so bad. Still, fun watching him and webber race towards the end

 

[ECA]

I thought the race today was a lil bit dull, compared to the rest of the season.

I do love Brundles emerging sense of humour though.

 

[Embattle]

See Dan Wheldon was killed in Indycar.

[2011] IndyCar World Championships Las Vegas 300 - Fatal 15 Car Crash - YouTube