Formula 1 The F1 jibber jabber thread.

[ST^]

BBC Sport - F1 - Ferrari receive no more punishment on team order charge


Lol I think we should rename it the Ferrari 1 World Championship. If they get rid of the team order rule its going to go back to the boring 90's again.

Yeah, been great and exciting in the last decade. Oh, wait....

 

[Jupitus]

Yeah, been great and exciting in the last decade. Oh, wait....

I would suggest that you have'nt been watching.

Ferrari off scot-free? Very dodgy IMHO.

 

[leviathane]

i'm suprised they didn't get a fine or something, but then again Ferrari is pretty much the f1 franchise in merchandise n shit.

 

[ST^]

I would suggest that you have'nt been watching.

...wet races? That's kind of artificial excitement imo. If we can't have exciting races in the dry then something is wrong.

 

[ST^]

Anyway, it will be very interesting if they do remove the rule banning team orders. McLaren and Red Bull could have some very tough decisions to make down the line.

 

[DaGaffer]

...wet races? That's kind of artificial excitement imo. If we can't have exciting races in the dry then something is wrong.

Most of the races this year have been exciting, wet or dry. I certainly can't remember the last time I enjoyed the British GP, which is usually a borefest. The biggest thing that's improved matters is the new scoring system.

Anyway, it will be very interesting if they do remove the rule banning team orders. McLaren and Red Bull could have some very tough decisions to make down the line.

One more race I reckon, then "unofficial" team orders will come into play for both teams. Button will back Hamilton if he feels his championship is gone, but will Vettel back Weber? His judgement has been pretty poor so far this year...

 

[leviathane]

Well Red bull have been breeding Vettel as the next schumacher, so for webber to be outperforming him is of huge annoyance to him/horner. I really can't see vettel backing webber, such a cry baby when things aren't going his way. Really don't like the guy.

 

[Ch3tan]

So Lewis's aggression has ensured the rest of the season stays interesting, or at least if it finishes like this.

Webber's just gone past Vettel, engine troubles for Vettel apparently, oh no, couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

 

[JBP|]

Aggression or lack of actual overtaking skill?

Hamiltard is all very good and fast when leading the race but in my opinion he lacks a lot of race craft when it comes to passing others in race conditions .

 

[Krazeh]

Aggression or lack of actual overtaking skill?

Hamiltard is all very good and fast when leading the race but in my opinion he lacks a lot of race craft when it comes to passing others in race conditions .

Seriously? He's by far one of the better drivers when it comes to overtaking. You only have to look at the number of sucessful overtakes he's performed this season to realise that.

 

[Aph3x]

I think you've been watching different races to the ones I have. Hamilton this year has been fantastic when charging through the pack, aggresive but very calm (apart from today) his over taking has been second to none this year.

 

[caLLous]

Yeah, another vote for "great overtaker" here... if anything I'm more nervous watching him when he's in the lead. Love seeing him slicing through the pack when he's got the bit between his teeth, I don't think anybody does it better.

But oh dear Lewis, today. Not too serious, he's just cancelled out the lead he had after Spa, as Ch3t said it's gonne be an interesting climax to the season. Ferrari don't have any more new engines, I don't know how many Mc have but I think Redbull have used all theirs too?

Eddie Jordan was funny, putting on his conspiracy eyes as soon as Vettel "fixed" his "problem".

 

[ECA]

I think eddie has been smoking the wacky baccy.
Was a great race, and a shame button didn't spoil ferrari's day but oh well

 

[Gumbo]

Aggression or lack of actual overtaking skill?

Hamiltard is all very good and fast when leading the race but in my opinion he lacks a lot of race craft when it comes to passing others in race conditions .

hahahahAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

You haven't a fucking clue have you?

 

[ST^]

Overtaking is almost always dependant on your car these days anyway. With the British drivers, they do something once (such as a decent overtaking manoeuvre) and all of a sudden they're known for being amazing at it. This is how the myth of Hamilton being good in the rain started.

 

[Krazeh]

Overtaking is almost always dependant on your car these days anyway. With the British drivers, they do something once (such as a decent overtaking manoeuvre) and all of a sudden they're known for being amazing at it. This is how the myth of Hamilton being good in the rain started.

Err, no. Hamilton being good in the rain started because he was good in the rain. Same with Hamilton being good at overtaking started because he happens to be good at overtaking, you can look back through his career to see evidence of it.

 

[Gumbo]

I'm guessing you two never saw him in Formula Renault or GP2 then? There has been no better 'racer' in F1 since Senna, and before him Villeneuve (Gilles). Hamilton deserves the plaudits. Yes, personally he can be a bit of a tit, but he is also head and shoulders above the rest when it comes to racing a car.

Today he just had one of those things happen. He could do the same move 10 times, once he snaps the steering arm, 5 times he bounces off Massa's wheel and drops back, 4 times he bounces and passes him. The point is, he got to that position and gave it a shot. It didn't work, shit happens, but he'll still win the World Championship this year. Drag this post up if he doesn't

 

[Krazeh]

Today he just had one of those things happen. He could do the same move 10 times, once he snaps the steering arm, 5 times he bounces off Massa's wheel and drops back, 4 times he bounces and passes him.

Indeed, we're talking mere millimetres (if that) being the difference between the steering arm snapping and not. There was a car sized space so he went for it like a racing driver should and this time he ended up with the worst possible outcome. It was an unfortunate racing incident but it doesn't alter the fact that he's an excellent driver and a man who can, and does, overtake well.

 

[DaGaffer]

I'm guessing you two never saw him in Formula Renault or GP2 then? There has been no better 'racer' in F1 since Senna, and before him Villeneuve (Gilles). Hamilton deserves the plaudits. Yes, personally he can be a bit of a tit, but he is also head and shoulders above the rest when it comes to racing a car.

Today he just had one of those things happen. He could do the same move 10 times, once he snaps the steering arm, 5 times he bounces off Massa's wheel and drops back, 4 times he bounces and passes him. The point is, he got to that position and gave it a shot. It didn't work, shit happens, but he'll still win the World Championship this year. Drag this post up if he doesn't

I'll take that bet. We're going back into Red Bull-friendly races for the rest of the season; Hamilton really needed a result at Monza. On the other hand, this whole engine limit thing may really bite RB and Ferrari on the arse, but on balance I think this will be Weber's year.

 

[caLLous]

Yeah, it's a nice thought Gumbo but I'm quite sure Webber will take it this year. Although if he keeps starting as badly as he has these past few races anything could happen.

 

[Calo]

So Lewis's aggression has ensured the rest of the season stays interesting, or at least if it finishes like this.

Webber's just gone past Vettel, engine troubles for Vettel apparently, oh no, couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Oh look, Vettel made a good decision about changing his tyres in the last round and finish before webber, couldn't happen to a nicer guy

 

[ST^]

There has been no better 'racer' in F1 since Senna

Wow. Really? Wow.

 

[kirennia]

Woo Heidfeld.

Rumours abound of his return in the next race; it's a little cheeky but well earned if he does. Mercedes test driver doesn't work so he spends a month learning about the new tyres for next year as Pirellis test driver which all the teams are itching to find out about, then is rumoured for a return. Whoever gets him for next season will be ahead of the game, not just because of the tyre knowledge but fair play to him, he's an excellent, consistant driver...

As for the race, I thought it was a bit pooey to be honest but the results should make for a more interesting end of season rush. I personally want Webber to win the championship (as Massa can't) even if he did 'cry' a little too much prior to last year. I've got to say, a little after the race I read a few comments on the BBC website, there were a few comments saying Alonso, Button and Massa should ALL be disqualified for crossing the white line on the last stretch of the last lap... LOL, some people.

 

[Gumbo]

Ok, who would you rate highly as a racer? Not just a fast peddler, an actual racer. No doubt Schumacher has been the most successful, but he won by good qualifying, and then 2 or 3 really fast laps when it really mattered especially in and out laps. He was almost always in a far far superior car, with a submissive teammate. Hakkinen? Fast again, especially in qualifying, but his wins came with a far superior car, and were mostly flag to flag with little overtaking. Kimi? Massively inconsistent. Button, smooooth, but gets a nosebleed everytime he's in traffic. Alonso is probably close, but should have lost the hot headedness by now and is far too prone to a monster sulk whenever he's not leading instead of getting on with passing people like Hamilton does with aplomb.

As for the title this year? Yes, Red Bull should win, and it should be with Weber as he can actually complete a race without trying to drive through someone. My feeling is though that they will run out of engines and haven't been the epitome of reliability either, that's why Lewis is my pick. I think Button will do a far better rear gunner job than Vettel too. I am fully expecting it to go down to the last race with 3 drivers from 3 teams still in with a chance. Bernie wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[Scouse]

Hamilton's a prick. I'm hoping that he suffers engine failure after engine failure from now until the end of the season.

Hopefully Button'll win it. At least he's reasonably open that the main reason to drive in F1 is the money and the chicks

 

[Krazeh]

Hamilton's a prick. I'm hoping that he suffers engine failure after engine failure from now until the end of the season.

Why?

 

[Jupitus]

The thing about this season, though, is it that it truly IS impossible to call... Whitmarsh got it right when he said it's the best and closest championship fight in ages.

I'm torn between supporting Webber (decent guy who bounced back well from injury), Button (very relaxed and fun dude with a nice attitude to the job and crowds) and Hamilton (definitely a true racer who will wring the neck out of the car to get the best out of it or fall off the track trying). To that extent I am not really worried about who wins, so long as we have exciting racing and a spectacle for the sport's supporters. What we have seen this season, I think, is the childish side of Vettel who has gone down in my estimation and a truly fired up Alonso who is particularly feisty in the Ferrari. Massa has been a bit hit and miss, bless his coochy face, and I hope he can put in some more good performances to rub a bit of told-you-so shit in Ferrari's Alonso-Arse-Licking face.

We really won't know much about how things will pan out until practise and quali at Singapore. Will Red Bull and Ferrari be reeled in a bit by McLaren now that they can't blame 'circuit conditions' for a relative lack of pace which could be covering up stiffer wing configurations? When will the teams;

a) Back a particular driver and have a rear-gunner

and

b) Stop development for this season and focus on next?

The rear gunner angle is one where McLaren I really do think would benefit most, as I honestly believe that Button and Hamilton have a healthy respect for each other and relationship in the team. Either one would back the other up, I think, when the points situation calls for it. Of the others I think there is too much angst knocking around for the secondary driver to really play the role.

With regard to development, we have seen time and time again that the McLaren machine somehow has the resource management to keep tweaking and changing, and I also think they will be the last to drop any dev this season, with full effort going into getting everything they can.

Does this put McLaren in a strong position? Too hard to call with all the other variables, but it all adds to a tremendous F1 season, with (I might add) absolutely fantastic coverage by the beeb. Say what you like about individual commentators or pundits, but some of the materials they have put in with special editorials and montages has been brilliant.

/ramble

 

[Krazeh]

It's 'McLaren' not 'McClaren'. Sorry, pet peeve.

 

[Jupitus]

It's 'McLaren' not 'McClaren'. Sorry, pet peeve.

That's ok, I don't suffer an edit timer

 

[ECA]

Jup - if you think about it, if Hamilton was close enough to the front, Button pits 2nd and Hamilton holds Alonso up behind him so when Alonso pits Button leapfrogs.

One of the reasons I was so impressed w/ Hamilton when he won the title was because his teammate wasn't helping him win races with any tactics - compared to Ferrari who mosdef were.