Formula 1 The F1 jibber jabber thread.

[Gumbo]

 

[Vasconcelos]

The 9 drivers who got a penalty after the race all got it for speeding during one of the safety car laps, the cars are all given a time they have to match while the SC is out and they all went faster than that. As for Alonso he really needs to man up and stop being such a baby, especially when we're talking about less than a car's length distance between Hamilton having made a completely legitimate move and the move he did make.

I can understand why he is pissed tbh.

Guy is just under 1 sec off a Hamilton with a frontal wing broken.

SC enters the race.

Hamilton does something ilegal and even after being penalised he still profits from it.

Alonso finishes 9th and Hamilton 2nd.

I would be pissed too, to be honest

First of all: why the fuck the SC doesnt enter the race BEFORE Vettel or after the last car???
Secod of all: iirc years ago the cars were allowed to recover their original position when a SC was leading the race.
Finally: now w/o refuellin being allowed, the pits should be closed when a SC enters the race and be opened only after all cars are regrped behind the SC. That rule was stupid before, but now w/o refuelling it would fit perfectly.

 

[Jupitus]

Nice bit of fun for Red Bull in London

Mark Webber's Pitstop in London :: Motor Sports Videos :: Red Bull

 

[Rulke]

Interesting race so far!

Vettel from first to last..
Button looking like he could finish 4th from 14th
Alonso getting an incredibly harsh drive through then the safety car meaning he'll come out at the back

And still 22 laps to go!

edit: quite liking this race tracker thing

 

[Scouse]

not bad for a second driver

Nice

 

[ECA]

needs a requote for today

 

[Ch3tan]

BBC - Jake Humphrey: The Great British (and Irish) pub GP

^ Full video, 17 mins, of The Al Murray hosted pub quiz with the BBC f1 team, Hamilton and Button. There is a segment in there were Hamilton plays Wonderwall on guitar and everyone else sings along

 

[caLLous]

A'lol'so.

 

[Wij]

The Daily Mash - WEBBER TO START NEXT RACE IN A '98 PUNTO

 

[Krazeh]

autosport.com - F1 News: Ferrari was advised to let Kubica through

Looks like Ferrari were told more than once to let Kubica back past Alonso before they ended up getting slapped with a drive thru penalty.

 

[Kryten]

Sounds about right. Usual red mist of ignorance

"He no speako italiano, see?"

 

[kirennia]

Sounds about right. Usual red mist of ignorance

"He no speako italiano, see?"

/cough

autosport.com - F1 News: Ferrari 'not asked' to let Kubica pass

 

[Krazeh]

/cough

autosport.com - F1 News: Ferrari 'not asked' to let Kubica pass

I'm sorry but how does that show they weren't told they should give the place back? They were told within 2 minutes that they should give the place back, they chose not to because Alonso had overtaken Alguersuari in that short time and they didn't want to concede 2 places.

 

[ST^]

I'm sorry but how does that show they weren't told they should give the place back? They were told within 2 minutes that they should give the place back, they chose not to because Alonso had overtaken Alguersuari in that short time and they didn't want to concede 2 places.

No, it was 'suggested' that giving the place back will guarantee that nothing else will happen. They did not get a stewards decision until much later, when Kubica already had a problem, was slowing badly and on his way to the pits.

 

[kirennia]

I'm sorry but how does that show they weren't told they should give the place back? They were told within 2 minutes that they should give the place back, they chose not to because Alonso had overtaken Alguersuari in that short time and they didn't want to concede 2 places.

After said 2 minutes, they were told that it would be discussed with the drivers after the race and then 10 minutes or so later they were given a penalty...

It also just happened to give Button an extra position but then... actually, nevermind.

 

[Krazeh]

No, it was 'suggested' that giving the place back will guarantee that nothing else will happen. They did not get a stewards decision until much later, when Kubica already had a problem, was slowing badly and on his way to the pits.

And? Of course a steward's decision was going to take some time, they always do. It doesn't alter the fact that Ferrari were advised, very shortly after the move had taken place, that they should concede the place and doing so would mean that the Stewards would not need to get involved. They chose not to and ended up getting a drive through penalty for their troubles.

After said 2 minutes, they were told that it would be discussed with the drivers after the race and then 10 minutes or so later they were given a penalty...

So they knew that it was the view of the race director that they should give the place back and they knew the stewards would be investigating it at some point. Just because the race director says the stewards will look at it after the race doesn't however guarantee they will do so, or indeed will not choose to do it earlier. It's their decision as to what they look at and when and the teams know that. Ferrari took a risk and it backfired, but it was all entirely their fault.

It also just happened to give Button an extra position but then... actually, nevermind.

It almost looks like you're trying to imply some sort of conspiracy here. I'd hope that's not the case tho.

 

[caLLous]

It all looks like a bit of "he said, she said" at the moment - impossible to come to a definite conclusion from those 2 news reports. I would lean towards Whiting's version though simply because Ferrari came out of the situation looking a bit stupid (of course the safety car didn't help) and are probably trying to save face.

First reaction after he cut the corner was "he gained advantage by going off the track, I expect he will let him back past", I've spoken to a few people about it and that seems to be the general opinion. So it doesn't matter what happened in conversations after the event, he should've given the place back immediately.

 

[Kryten]

Most drivers these days, bearing in mind similar sanctions in the last couple of seasons (especially Lewis) would have immediately conceded, or immediately been told to concede that position by their team. At best, Ferrari were trying to get an advantage either by trying their luck, or pushing a difficult steward decision. They lost. They sulk. No conspiracy, just teams pushing their luck.

 

[Gumbo]

My window licking friend is quite right. You'll often see a driver concede a place now unless they are damn sure it was won fairly. Ferrari are learning now that they can't always get it their way, and they are now playing with the same deck as everyone else.

 

[ST^]

So they knew that it was the view of the race director that they should give the place back and they knew the stewards would be investigating it at some point. Just because the race director says the stewards will look at it after the race doesn't however guarantee they will do so, or indeed will not choose to do it earlier. It's their decision as to what they look at and when and the teams know that. Ferrari took a risk and it backfired, but it was all entirely their fault.

In the same paragraph, you're saying that they should've and shouldn't have listened to what the race director said? Kind of selective don't you think?

 

[Krazeh]

In the same paragraph, you're saying that they should've and shouldn't have listened to what the race director said? Kind of selective don't you think?

No, I'm saying they should listen to him but with the caveat that what he says about the Stewards and their actions isn't binding. He can only provide teams with his opinion about anything that occurs on track, it's upto them what they then do with that opinion. In this case Ferrari chose to ignore it and that decision backfired on them.

 

[JingleBells]

My window licking friend is quite right. You'll often see a driver concede a place now unless they are damn sure it was won fairly. Ferrari are learning now that they can't always get it their way, and they are now playing with the same deck as everyone else.

Ferrari don't have very long memories

 

[gunner440]

que vivaaaaaaaaaaaaaa españaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[ECA]

I hope Ferrari lose all their points from that.

They robbed us the spectators of an exciting finish and the drama of it being raced to the finish line.

 

[Krazeh]

I hope Ferrari lose all their points from that.

They robbed us the spectators of an exciting finish and the drama of it being raced to the finish line.

I agree entirely, think there's more than enough evidence for the stewards to investigate the use of team orders to influence the outcome of a race. It was clear from Rob Smedley's messages to Massa that he was passing a message he didn't want to and Massa's move to let Alonso past couldn't have been more obvious.

 

[ST^]

It was the right result, but it happened the wrong way.

I can't see them being punished unless Massa says something he shouldn't (and he won't).

 

[gunner440]

nooooooooooo time for looooooooosers cos we are the championssssssssssssssssss




of the worrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrld (in football and in a bit, formula 1)

 

[Krazeh]

It was the right result, but it happened the wrong way.

I can't see them being punished unless Massa says something he shouldn't (and he won't).

I don't think it needs anything from Massa, the radio messages and the manner in which the overtake took place is more than enough evidence that Massa was instructed to move out of the way.

nooooooooooo time for looooooooosers cos we are the championssssssssssssssssss




of the worrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrld (in football and in a bit, formula 1)

Aside from Ferrari being an italian brand and Alonso having to have his team mate ordered out of the way in order to actually win the race he's won one race, he's still a long way from being a champion again. And if there's any justice in the sport he'll have that win taken off him for blatant cheating.

 

[gunner440]

I don't think it needs anything from Massa, the radio messages and the manner in which the overtake took place is more than enough evidence that Massa was instructed to move out of the way.



Aside from Ferrari being an italian brand and Alonso having to have his team mate ordered out of the way in order to actually win the race he's won one race, he's still a long way from being a champion again. And if there's any justice in the sport he'll have that win taken off him for blatant cheating.

 

[Krazeh]

Lol, just watching the press conference and Massa couldn't have made it more obvious that it was team orders without actually coming straight out and admitting he was ordered to move.