Football The 2020/2021 Season Thread

[Aoami]

Not really, because they could still change the terms either way, but it'd be quite easy to get most football fans onside if they're seen not to be greedy/corrupt etc, a nice break from normal football.

Majority of money in football is made from TV rights. So, leave the CL (and potentially domestic league) money behind to go and play for free in another comp. Makes great sense.

 

[Embattle]

Also I suspect the media companies are starting to top out in terms of the money they are willing to pay for the rights to football at the present time.

 

[Gwadien]

Majority of money in football is made from TV rights. So, leave the CL (and potentially domestic league) money behind to go and play for free in another comp. Makes great sense.

You're missing my point.

If they make it look good then fans will be in uproar that FIFA/UEFA/FA have the audacity to kick football teams out of their league/s because they're upset about not making money.

 

[Raven]

I don't think the fans give much of a shit about money in the game. They just don't want their club is some bullshit league just concentrates the top bit of each domestic league.

Also, what happens when Arsenal (for example) finish bottom half of this new league, year in, year out because they certainly won't keep up with the likes of CIty, Real, Barca, UTD etc.

 

[caLLous]

 

[Aoami]

You're missing my point.

If they make it look good then fans will be in uproar that FIFA/UEFA/FA have the audacity to kick football teams out of their league/s because they're upset about not making money.

No they won't.

 

[Moriath]

I don't think the fans give much of a shit about money in the game. They just don't want their club is some bullshit league just concentrates the top bit of each domestic league.

Also, what happens when Arsenal (for example) finish bottom half of this new league, year in, year out because they certainly won't keep up with the likes of CIty, Real, Barca, UTD etc.

Its like nfl no consequences for coming last

 

[SilverHood]

Its like nfl no consequences for coming last

That's not quite true. Your finishing in the grand scheme of things determines your draft order for next seasons college players. The worse you did, the higher you draft. It also determines your schedule, in that conference winners will usually play other conference winners the following season. 2nd placed teams get 2nd placed teams, and so forth.

But that would never work for a soccer league where talent can be found all around the globe, not just from a few countries who play American Football as a university sport

 

[Moriath]

That's not quite true. Your finishing in the grand scheme of things determines your draft order for next seasons college players. The worse you did, the higher you draft. It also determines your schedule, in that conference winners will usually play other conference winners the following season. 2nd placed teams get 2nd placed teams, and so forth.

But that would never work for a soccer league where talent can be found all around the globe, not just from a few countries who play American Football as a university sport

No relegation then. I know about the draft. But footballers dont go to college to study football.

 

[Raven]

The funny thing is they could just wind up with 12 teams in a silly little closed league with nobody wanting to get 'promoted' to it. This is going down like hog roast at a Jewish wedding with pretty much every club.

 

[Aoami]

The funny thing is they could just wind up with 12 teams in a silly little closed league with nobody wanting to get 'promoted' to it. This is going down like hog roast at a Jewish wedding with pretty much every club.

PR war hasnt really started yet though. Will be an interesting couple of weeks.

Although I'm starting to wonder if Sky have gone in so hard on it because they dont think they'll get any rights for it.

 

[SilverHood]

The funny thing is they could just wind up with 12 teams in a silly little closed league with nobody wanting to get 'promoted' to it. This is going down like hog roast at a Jewish wedding with pretty much every club.

Yeah, the whole thing has been a major disaster from a PR perspective. One thing they have totally messed up, is the support for this league among international fans. Majority of PL fans in the Americas and Asia can't see the mid week games, as they are on in the middle of the day or at night. I take a half day off work to watch the last semi final and the final, if Man United are playing, but soccer pubs that were rammed for weekend PL fixtures are empty mid week. For the Man United vs Ajax Europa League final a few years back, they wouldn't even put the sound on, as it was only 2 of us watching it. Champions League final being on a Saturday is now great. The value the clubs derive from their international fans come from weekend fixtures.

 

[MYstIC G]

That doesn't read like a US style franchise model; it still assumes teams play in their existing leagues and there's a promotion model. It looks mainly like a direct threat to the CL:

• 20 participating clubs with 15 Founding Clubs and a qualifying mechanism for a further five teams to qualify annually based on achievements in the prior season.
• Midweek fixtures with all participating clubs continuing to compete in their respective national leagues, preserving the traditional domestic match calendar which remains at the heart of the club game.
• An August start with clubs participating in two groups of ten, playing home and away fixtures, with the top three in each group automatically qualifying for the quarter finals. Teams finishing fourth and fifth will then compete in a two-legged play-off for the remaining quarter-final positions. A two-leg knockout format will be used to reach the final at the end of May, which will be staged as a single fixture at a neutral venue.

Reads cake and eat it too

 

[Scouse]

Keeps the focus off the VAR shitshow at least.

Johnson coming out saying the government is going to block it is populist point scoring at best.

Meh. Who is behind the contract they've signed is what I want to know. Who's got the financial clout to guarantee multibilliondollar payments to the clubs?

 

[Scouse]

BTW - it's easy to scupper the plans. Fans just must never, ever, pay to watch the matches.

 

[Aoami]

Keeps the focus off the VAR shitshow at least.

Football: literally falling apart

Scouse: hurr durr VAR bad

 

[MYstIC G]

BTW - it's easy to scupper the plans. Fans just must never, ever, pay to watch the matches.

Thing is, if they put it all on a single platform at a reasonable price, they'll probably get enough people interested for that be an ineffective strategy.

 

[caLLous]

Who's got the financial clout to guarantee multibilliondollar payments to the clubs?

 

[Scouse]

Football: literally falling apart

Scouse: hurr durr VAR bad

Actually wrote a number of other sentences.

Can't help it if you've got a populist clickbait brain

 

[Aoami]

Actually wrote a number of other sentences.

Can't help it if you've got a populist clickbait brain

You mentioned VAR then asked a question that was answered in the initial announcements. And I'm the one with the "populist clickbait brain" apparently.

 

[Scouse]

JP Morgan are the financiers - who's putting up the cash in case they lose out? Or is it just cooked up by the clubs alone? I think there'll be a shaker and mover behind it.

 

[Ormorof]

JP Morgan are the financiers - who's putting up the cash in case they lose out? Or is it just cooked up by the clubs alone? I think there'll be a shaker and mover behind it.

The way their PR has gone so far its probably Putin, Xi Jinping, Donald Trump, and the Osama Bin Laden estate funding it

 

[Ormorof]

Now would be a good time for the new Super League to announce that all the games will be free to view and all profits will be donated to grass roots football.

Let's face it, the organisations are shitting themselves due to lost profits, not because they 'care' about the fans or because they're trying to up hold some kind of standard...

You called it... Leaked doc guardian got its hands on says it will offer

a sustainable and competitive environment for the whole football pyramid” – by providing more than three times the level of solidarity payments to smaller clubs than currently exist.

So a bag of gold to keep the plebs in line

 

[Aoami]

You called it... Leaked doc guardian got its hands on says it will offer



So a bag of gold to keep the plebs in line

They announced it at the start, but it's been ignored for obvious reasons, and also that people don't believe them.

 

[caLLous]

"Give us, the cabal of billionaire owners, all the money and we'll take care of distributing it."

 

[Raven]

Football: literally falling apart

Going to have to disagree with this part. Football is not falling apart at all. There is a ground less than 2 miles from where I live that (pre covid) I regularly watch games at. The difference being is that the players are all plumbers and salesmen, not instagram stars.

 

[Aoami]

Going to have to disagree with this part. Football is not falling apart at all. There is a ground less than 2 miles from where I live that (pre covid) I regularly watch games at. The difference being is that the players are all plumbers and salesmen, not instagram stars.

Disagree all you like, but if the money stops filtering down from the top, then you can wave goodbye to local clubs as well. I am a big supporter of non-league football, as I have mentioned many times in this thread, and pre-covid I was a Dulwich Hamlet season ticket holder, but if you don't think this ESL proposal has ramifications across the entirety of football then you're being naïve.

 

[Raven]

The team I watch are in a pub league. They don't even sell tickets. The players and fans are no less passionate...in fact probably more so.

The game won't die, if anything it will see more and more people become disillusioned with league football...or at least top flight and return to grassroots football.

Count how many people you see at your next home game, then count how many UTD/Liverpool/whatever shirts you see in Tesco on match day.

 

[Aoami]

The team I watch are in a pub league. They don't even sell tickets. The players and fans are no less passionate...in fact probably more so.

OK then, I'll change my statement. Football that is not pub league football is potentially falling apart.

 

[Aoami]

By the way, I'm probably generally in favour of the ESL, but the rest of the clubs need to sort out what they're going to do and fast. I've long been a fan of the idea of the big brands fucking off and handing football back to the people. I have some sympathy for the local fans, the fans who actually go to games, but at the same time, all of the United fan base were clamouring for them to pay £120m on Jadon Sancho. How can you do that, and then also be upset that your club is chasing more money? You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I'd love for the other 14 to rejoin the football league and sack off the PL. Not going to happen though.