Football The 2018/2019 Season Thread
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It was hard enough to find it on the bbc sport front page!
Yeah. But I don't think it really matters at this stage. But if I could have picked, yeah. Problem is, liverpool turn up better for the bigger teams, but mentality should be no excuse
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Soon as I meet one I'll remember to laugh at them, just as the whole country did when a beach ball scored the winning goal against us and the whole world did when maradonna palmed it into the back of the net in a much bigger game.
And I won't care
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Aye laddie...thats nae good at all.
Alex McLeish confident of ‘bouncing back’ after Kazakhstan debacle
Alex McLeish confident of ‘bouncing back’ after Kazakhstan debacle
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Danny Rose says he "can't wait to see the back of football" because of racism.
I get his point, being on the receiving end of racist abuse isn't great. But at the end of the day, I think he's a bit of a princess because of this:
But what does he actually want?
The point of those fines is to make newspaper headlines that get slung across the country showing that racism is unacceptable to the whole population. It drives discussions. And slowly, over time, attitudes change. Like they have in England.
I don't like what this means. English people who are so unused to hearing racist things (good), whilst being unable to accept that not every part of the world has moved on at the pace we have (which shows a staggering lack of education, so bad), that the tried-and-tested methods of slowly changing attitudes of populations are no longer "good enough" (why not?), and demanding that "more be done".
What, exactly? Hit every country that's not progressed as far as yours with the "ban" stick? Hold other countries to standards that they can't possibly attain because prevailing social attitudes aren't there yet?
He might be sick of the politics in football. Maybe he should just get his head down and play, and ignore the rest. And if someone does call him nigger, just laugh internally and go out and blow 40 grand that night for shits and giggles.
Or, maybe, donate it to an anti-racism charity, if he thinks "more needs to be done". Because he's certainly in the financial position to do more about it now, isn't he.
I get his point, being on the receiving end of racist abuse isn't great. But at the end of the day, I think he's a bit of a princess because of this:
Yeah. Countries do get fined 40+ grand for when their supporters are found guilty of being asshats. Nice that you're now so privileged that you see a 40 grand fine as nothing (which, on a country and footballer level, is indeed nothing, but still...).Danny Rose said:
But what does he actually want?
The point of those fines is to make newspaper headlines that get slung across the country showing that racism is unacceptable to the whole population. It drives discussions. And slowly, over time, attitudes change. Like they have in England.
I don't like what this means. English people who are so unused to hearing racist things (good), whilst being unable to accept that not every part of the world has moved on at the pace we have (which shows a staggering lack of education, so bad), that the tried-and-tested methods of slowly changing attitudes of populations are no longer "good enough" (why not?), and demanding that "more be done".
What, exactly? Hit every country that's not progressed as far as yours with the "ban" stick? Hold other countries to standards that they can't possibly attain because prevailing social attitudes aren't there yet?
He might be sick of the politics in football. Maybe he should just get his head down and play, and ignore the rest. And if someone does call him nigger, just laugh internally and go out and blow 40 grand that night for shits and giggles.
Or, maybe, donate it to an anti-racism charity, if he thinks "more needs to be done". Because he's certainly in the financial position to do more about it now, isn't he.
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To be fair, he answers my whine with this:
But either way - Pochettino got banned for two games because "being confrontational" is the beginnings of fronting up with physical violence. And last time I looked, actual physical violence was more serious than verbal abuse.
But "racism" trumps all now, eh?
A country generally isn't "racist" Danny. It's can have racist people in it, sure, but for a country to be racist it would have to have something in it's constitution that was discriminatory. (Like Israel, which has made saying this a bit more complex.)
But either way - Pochettino got banned for two games because "being confrontational" is the beginnings of fronting up with physical violence. And last time I looked, actual physical violence was more serious than verbal abuse.
But "racism" trumps all now, eh?
I don't think that's very fair. He's not bragging about how much he earns, he's exaggeratedly using it as a comparison for the pitiful fines that get handed out. And as for him being "in the financial position to do more about it", what's chucking money at it going to fix? You can't change entrenched views with a bit of marketing, otherwise the "kick it out" campaign would've worked.
After the Montenegro match, loads of people came out and said that black players get abuse hurled at them every week up and down the country, so I don't know that attitudes have really changed in Britain. After all, Brexit.
And when he said "country" he obviously meant that country's football association and that the supporters were being racist, not the
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What are fines going to fix?
We know how to essentially fix the bulk of racism - at least in countries that aren't as far along the road as we are. It's a lot less prevalant in this country than when I was growing up.
Kick it out is bullshit - it's never going to work because it infantilises the issue rather than having adult discussions about things. In fact, I think we've stalled in our process precisely because we're hitting things with the ban stick and more rules and regulations rather than having free and open adult discussions. (In fact, you can't have free or open adult discussions with a racist - because the minute he says something racist we can now lock him up, so no discussion takes place).
But funding anti-racist campaigning organisations would be better than whining about how much you hate football nowadays.
I don't know that fines will fix anything, even if you increase them massively. Maybe kicking the country out of a tournament or forcing them to play behind closed doors - incentivise the country itself to make change rather than giving them silly little fines and carrying as if nothing happened.
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They already do that.
But they generally take the pragmatic view that whilst football is useful in bringing forward discussions of racial bias, it's not the solution to the whole problem.
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Well I can see why you might have been drunk... Having a good time?I was so drunk I can't even remember it
