Football The 2012 / 2013 Season Thread

[rynnor]

I cant see the Terry case going anywhere now tbh.

I think the defense has seeded enough doubt.

 

[cHodAX]

I cant see the Terry case going anywhere now tbh.

I think the defense has seeded enough doubt.

First of all they tried to discredit the lip-reading, then they admit he said it but the context was not racist? How can that not go anywhere? If he uttered those words after first of all trying to refute the claim then he is clearly guilty, any judge will see that his story has changed to fit defence's line of questioning.

 

[cHodAX]

Chelsea to sign Oscar for 25 million euros?

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1123838/chelsea-agree-fee-for-internacional's-oscar?cc=5739

 

[soze]

Not loving this, if this is the training kit that new away fucker might be that horrible Dennis the Menace looking fucker that was on here early.

 

[Embattle]

First of all they tried to discredit the lip-reading, then they admit he said it but the context was not racist? How can that not go anywhere? If he uttered those words after first of all trying to refute the claim then he is clearly guilty, any judge will see that his story has changed to fit defence's line of questioning.

What you want, what you read and what actually ends up happening are likely to be rather different.

 

[rynnor]

What you want, what you read and what actually ends up happening are likely to be rather different.

Yes - actually saying the words isnt enough - they need to prove intent and I think the defense have done their job there.

 

[Ch3tan]

Defoe to reading according too the journalists on Twitter

 

[Aoami]

bet he cost less than jay rodriguez aswell

 

[soze]

Court case means nothing. If they prove Terry said black anything then he needs the same 8 game ban. Suarez explained that what he said was not said with intent but that did not matter a jot. If Terry escapes without an FA ban it will be such a fit up..

 

[cHodAX]

Court case means nothing. If they prove Terry said black anything then he needs the same 8 game ban. Suarez explained that what he said was not said with intent but that did not matter a jot. If Terry escapes without an FA ban it will be such a fit up..

Exactly, just repeating it on the field of play is a breach of FA rules. If the FA dodge that then they are a bunch of fucking cowards.

 

[Talivar]

Tbh for the sake of football you should all want it to be kicked from court and forgotten asap. If he gets convicted by the court this will open up a precedent and can of worms for all teams players in the future in regards to what they do on the pitch. Next time the countrys beloved Rooney hits someone in anger ect he wont just get a ban he will get upto 3 months in prison and major punishment from the FA, Idiot Barton would be locked away and have key thrown away lol. Every injury that results in a red card would possibly lead to long prison sentences so the game would quickly become very very tame as no one would dare tackle. This is maybe an over exageration but the way the world is atm this type of over reaction would not suprise me. Keep the courts out of football for everyones sake!

 

[Raven]

It's only gone to court because of who he is. Complete farce. It's his word against Ferdinand's, the footage doesn't show that he use a racist term, just that he called him a cunt. Ferdinand didn't hear him call him it either.

Complete waste of tax payers money.

 

[Talivar]

Yep and worst bit is , it was a fan in the crowd that made the complaint, imagine the implications of that lol. Every game will lead to a court case.

 

[Ormorof]

can the FA actually take any action if the court finds him guilty? surely tbe hey are then adding punishment on top of another (which would probably be appealed?)

the maximum penalty is a £2500 fine which would be a nice let off tbh - would Chelsea stick with him if found guilty? personally i dont see why not (though i would rather he was thrown out completely as he is clearly a complete moronic asshole), i mean Liverpool stuck with Suarez after he was found guilty of racist remarks...

 

[soze]

It's only gone to court because of who he is. Complete farce. It's his word against Ferdinand's, the footage doesn't show that he use a racist term, just that he called him a cunt. Ferdinand didn't hear him call him it either.

Complete waste of tax payers money.

That is rubbish it went to court because a member of the public complained. Just like the Muamba guy. The Farce is that it has taken him this long to get to court.

And yes the FA can charge him I think they have said they will act when the court case is completed. But other players who got in legal trouble, Tony Adams and Duncan Furguson spring to mind both got FA charges and legal charges.

Yep and worst bit is , it was a fan in the crowd that made the complaint, imagine the implications of that lol. Every game will lead to a court case.

Yeah every time a player is clearly seen saying "black cunt" the police will get involved that is a shocker alight. I take it you believe in the what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch school of racism in football.

 

[Raven]

So you are saying if I or any other member of the public was to call someone a black cunt it would go to the magistrates court for a 3+ day trial? I somehow doubt that.

 

[soze]

So you are saying if I or any other member of the public was to call someone a black cunt it would go to the magistrates court for a 3+ day trial? I somehow doubt that.

No but I doubt your average member of the public would hire expensive defence teams to argue the case when confronted with a video of themselves saying what they are being charged with saying.

 

[cHodAX]

So you are saying if I or any other member of the public was to call someone a black cunt it would go to the magistrates court for a 3+ day trial? I somehow doubt that.

If it is reported to the police then the CPS has an obligation to prosecute, they may not follow up but that is thier failure. In this case though it was in public on TV and high profile because EPL games are screened worldwide, you can't just let it go or it sends all the wrong messages. Kick racism out of football has to mean something or we will end up back in the 1970's with all the social issues being taken into football grounds.

 

[Raven]

No but I doubt your average member of the public would hire expensive defence teams to argue the case when confronted with a video of themselves saying what they are being charged with saying.

Except the video confirms nothing because you can't see his mouth when he says (whatever word) before cunt, as agreed by the lip reading expert.

 

[Raven]

If it is reported to the police then the CPS has an obligation to prosecute, they may not follow up but that is thier failure. In this case though it was in public on TV and high profile because EPL games are screened worldwide, you can't just let it go or it sends all the wrong messages. Kick racism out of football has to mean something or we will end up back in the 1970's with all the social issues being taken into football grounds.

The CPS have no evidence to prosecute, they don't even have Anton Ferdinands word for it because he didn't hear whatever Terry said at the time. All they have is some dickhead QPR fan sat in the stands making the complaint.

It would not make it to court if it wasn't a high profile person and it is a complete waste of money because there is no real evidence.

 

[Raven]

Don't get me wrong, John Terry is a prize dick but this case is a farce.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Outside court this morning:

 

[Scouse]

Suarez explained that what he said was not said with intent but that did not matter a jot

And suarez's use of the word negrita is actually a term of endearment - as acknowledged by the rest of the spanish speaking world...

it is a complete waste of money because there is no real evidence.

Apart from the video of him clearly saying it.

Oh, and his admission that he did.

 

[cHodAX]

Oh, and his admission that he did.

When he originally told the police that he didn't say it, then his defence implied the lip reading was inaccurate, then they admitted he did say it but in the context of repeating what Anton had already said. The inconsistencies are glaring and if the judge doesn't see through it then it won't be long before we see racial abuse in the news again.

 

[Raven]

And suarez's use of the word negrita is actually a term of endearment - as acknowledged by the rest of the spanish speaking world...



Apart from the video of him clearly saying it.

Oh, and his admission that he did.

er. Are you reading some weird arse news site or something? He didn't and hasn't admitted to it (hence the lawyers and trial). The video doesn't show anything and the lip reading/sign language expert said that they couldn't see what he said clearly if at all.

Suarez admitted to it, that is the difference here. Suarez's defence was that racism is fine in Spanish speaking countries and he was actually having a nice friendly chat between the pushing, shoving and arguing.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

He has admitted saying "black cunt" - there are some claims he said "you" and some he said "a."

There is no doubt and he has stated that he repeated it.

 

[Raven]

Context. He admitted to saying "No, I didn't call you a black cunt" not quite the same really is it?

 

[Scouse]

er. Are you reading some weird arse news site or something? He didn't and hasn't admitted to it (hence the lawyers and trial). The video doesn't show anything and the lip reading/sign language expert said that they couldn't see what he said clearly if at all.

Terry admitted in court that he had used the words "black cunt":

Mr Terry, 31, told the court that he had merely repeated the words that Mr Ferdinand mistakenly thought he had used.

And:

Suarez admitted to it... Suarez's defence was that racism is fine in Spanish speaking countries

LOL! As stated - Suarez's defence is that negrita is a term of endearment and not a racist term. His case would never have been taken up by the CPS even if a complaint had been made - and no complaint was made exactly because of this.

Context. ... not quite the same really is it?

Well done - you're a hypocrite - Suarez's context is dismissed out of hand, Terry's counted.

Is it because you're racist? I wonder...

?

 

[Raven]

Oh come on, you seem intelligent enough. You can't honestly believe that he meant it as a term of endearment as they were pushing and shoving each other in one of the most competitive games of the calender can you? And that Terry saying "No, I didn't call you a black cunt" is the same as admitting to racism and should have gone to court?

If so, wow.

Hey Negerito, you grapple nice. In my country you would win many fans.

lol

 

[Scouse]

Oh come on, you seem intelligent enough. You can't honestly believe that he meant it as a term of endearment as they were pushing and shoving each other in one of the most competitive games of the calender can you? And that Terry saying "No, I didn't call you a black cunt" is the same as admitting to racism and should have gone to court?

If so, wow.

No. I think Suraez used the term negrita off-hand and Patrice Evra - who's no saint - made a complaint to the FA after the fact because he's a cunt. If he was serious he'd have made a complaint to the police - which he didn't for obvious reasons (i.e. the CPS would have never taken it to court - it would have been thrown out). Surarez admitted using the term negrita once, not repeatedly, to the FA. The FA took a political stance and banned him on nothing more than the word of Evra.

I bet Suarez wished it had gone to court.

The Terry case is different in that he used an obviously racist term and, frankly, he's probably backpedalling to cover his arse. He'll get found not guilty tho.