Football The 2009/2010 Season Thread

[georgie]

I'm pretty sure that it says something in the rules about last man, goal scoring opportunity and red cards.....

The only thing I can think of that saved Vidic was Agbonlahor shifting the ball to his left and hence taking him slightly away from goal.

denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick

Personally I think he should have gone, but there we go.

 

[JingleBells]

The only thing I can think of that saved Vidic was Agbonlahor shifting the ball to his left and hence taking him slightly away from goal.



Personally I think he should have gone, but there we go.

He didn't even get a yellow card, that's what I've not figured out

 

[Gibbo]

Good performance from united in the end. The 2 wide men done a great job throughout and Valencia is getting better in his distribution all the time, and that is header number 9 this season for Rooney, with only 12 headed goals in total including them. lol.

Pundits on Sky are annoying me... going on about the Vidic should be sent off but not even looked at the collins foul on Owen that also could been a red easily.

Well done for richard Dunne on his comments about the situation

"They got a man sent off at Villa Park and it didn't make a difference. It's better to play against 11 men and it made it a better game. It's their day today."

Well thats the sort of bloke Richard Dunne is. The ref didn't give Man U their 2 goals and deserved to win. No doubt about that.

However, Man U should have been down to 10 men. It was laughable how Dowd didn't even book Vidic, then goes onto book 2 Villa players for their first fouls and only gives a Man U player a warning for 2 bookable offences. Very inconsistent refereeing.

I missed that foul on Owen, are you making that one up?

 

[soze]

I watched it on sky, then watched the motd highlights, they all said it was only a red because of the injury. Commentators and pundits, so no idea what the hell you are on about.

And give over, it doesn't matter how much you get kicked, it was an accident, it's unfortunate and it happens.

I know that Im saying when you have seen it once the speed Shawcross run passed him it looks like he made the tackle and he was late, On sky right after they said its a red card. So i was saying Wengers reaction and what he said was based on it looking like a foul and like he got kicked, I expect he will retract his statement.

 

[Ch3tan]

Oh I agree wenger should stop giving interviews until he has had a chance to cool down. But I still disagree on the first point, I am certain the sky commentators said it was only a red because of the injury the first time round.

 

[Imgormiel]

Benitez pwns interview/journalist for once shock horror!

BBC Sport - Football - Rafael Benitez happy to have Fernando Torres back

Gonna leave exactly what I said fb for it. Lol, pwnt journo



Seeing this interview, that's a big FU to the media and I am sitting here laughing and sitting here saying you mfer. Benitez for once pwned his interviewer. I am sitting here saying to myself, that mfer is kicking your ass and if I was him, I have come to the table with the wrong questions and the wrong response and everything else that was wrong. Normally - Rafa "We have to concentrate on the next game" ala boring we've heard it for the last 5 years. This time, for once, he actually says FU nicely lol

 

[Corran]

I missed that foul on Owen, are you making that one up?

if you know about the bookings then you saw the foul.

It was the one that collins got booked for (im sure it was collins, not good remember villa defenders. lol)... if you look at where dunne was )iirc) then he was clearly a few yards behind the play and would never have caught owen.

And vidic should have been booked at least, but gabby moved the ball away from goal thus giving a tougher angle. That and the fact vidic slipped (and was in 4th minute) probably was why there was no red card.

 

[Corran]

Oh I agree wenger should stop giving interviews until he has had a chance to cool down. But I still disagree on the first point, I am certain the sky commentators said it was only a red because of the injury the first time round.

If i remember correctly they basically said

"I believe the injury has prompted the referee's decision" and I think that is the case.

To be honest, in some ways i think the ref was protecting shawcross (wrongly) because he knew he wouldnt be able to control arsenal players reaction the rest of the match if he remained on the pitch

 

[Gibbo]

if you know about the bookings then you saw the foul.

It was the one that collins got booked for (im sure it was collins, not good remember villa defenders. lol)... if you look at where dunne was )iirc) then he was clearly a few yards behind the play and would never have caught owen.

And vidic should have been booked at least, but gabby moved the ball away from goal thus giving a tougher angle. That and the fact vidic slipped (and was in 4th minute) probably was why there was no red card.

Ah then I did see it and it must have never entered my head that it would be a red. I don't recall the commentators on Sky saying anything.

Vidic on the other hand, was a clear red.

 

[Gibbo]

This headline...

Goalpost - Football - Sport - getreading - Reading Post

 

[Lethul]

BBC Sport - Football - Rafael Benitez happy to have Fernando Torres back

Gonna leave exactly what I said fb for it. Lol, pwnt journo



Seeing this interview, that's a big FU to the media and I am sitting here laughing and sitting here saying you mfer. Benitez for once pwned his interviewer. I am sitting here saying to myself, that mfer is kicking your ass and if I was him, I have come to the table with the wrong questions and the wrong response and everything else that was wrong. Normally - Rafa "We have to concentrate on the next game" ala boring we've heard it for the last 5 years. This time, for once, he actually says FU nicely lol

I think Rafaw has done good interviews before tbh! Youtube Rafa's interview about Cahill

 

[Turamber]

And vidic should have been booked at least, but gabby moved the ball away from goal thus giving a tougher angle. That and the fact vidic slipped (and was in 4th minute) probably was why there was no red card.

Gabby moved the ball away from goal as he was being pulled back by Vidic. Was as blatant a red card as you'll ever see, but the ref bottled it because Sir Alex would have had a rant over it.

None of the Villa offences were red cards, and they were all given yellows after their first offence. Meanwhile that dirty little shit of a right back hacked down three Villa players before the ref gave him his final warning.

Some of our players were already struggling with nerves, being unused to the big stage, some fairness from the ref would have been nice instead of putting them under additional pressure.

Still, much better game than the 2000 FA Cup final and I do think the Villa team will benefit from having played in a final under O'Neill.

 

[soze]

Oh I agree wenger should stop giving interviews until he has had a chance to cool down. But I still disagree on the first point, I am certain the sky commentators said it was only a red because of the injury the first time round.

Fair enough i though they said it was late but accidental so still a red but not malicious. Seems like i was hearing what i wanted to but i know i only heard the whole 50 / 50 ball thing after the game.

If i remember correctly they basically said

"I believe the injury has prompted the referee's decision" and I think that is the case.

To be honest, in some ways i think the ref was protecting shawcross (wrongly) because he knew he wouldnt be able to control arsenal players reaction the rest of the match if he remained on the pitch

Shawcross was leaving the pitch either way but this cost Stoke a substitution. Looking at him no way he was getting back in the game.

 

[Corran]

None of the Villa offences were red cards, and they were all given yellows after their first offence. Meanwhile that dirty little shit of a right back hacked down three Villa players before the ref gave him his final warning.

If you read what I say I can see that most refs would have sent vidic off, but some also would only give yellow given the wording of the rules. No card was strange decision and I am merely putting forward things that may have influenced the decision. Stop crying just because you lost.


As for the Collin's incident, you will find many people that think it could have been a red card given the positions of the other defenders. Havent managed to find any highlights online of the incident as commentators overlook it because of the vidic incident. But if you find one you will clearly see he was the last man in the strictest sense of the word even if he was only 10yrd in his own half

 

[georgie]

I think the game is still on iPlayer if you have access (about 10 minutes into the game for the Collins incident I think).

 

[Turamber]

Stop crying just because you lost.

I've barely mentioned the Vidic incident, so you can stick the comment about crying up your non Mancurian arse.

However the standard of officiating yesterday was just hopeless. Our players are not used to the big stage anyway, having an appalling ref hand 90% of decisions to United on a plate didn't help things.

As for the Collins decision, it happened just in front, to the right of where I was sitting. Much too far away from goal to be a red card. I know you're used to having officials make shit decisions in your favour but you really should learn the rules, just in case you have a ref who actually abides to the rules of the game from time to time.

 

[Corran]

As for the Collins decision, it happened just in front, to the right of where I was sitting. Much too far away from goal to be a red card. I know you're used to having officials make shit decisions in your favour but you really should learn the rules, just in case you have a ref who actually abides to the rules of the game from time to time.

it does not matter where on the field it happens. It could happen 20 yrds into the opponents half, it is still a red card if the player is clear through with no other defenders between you and the goal and you are heading towards the goal... so if you go by the strictness of the rules that you want abided too then it was red.
Too far from the goal though? It happened 25-30yrds from the goal line. So where does it come into affect then that it should be red card for last man? Just like Vidic incident, the only saving grace is owen heading slightly away from the goal but in regards to your comment, lets blame it on the foul for him doing so.

But as you are the one that appears to want rules that differ because you are the "smaller" side then so be it. Life in your world must be great. Already said maybe there should have been more yellows for united, however a yellow card isnt game breaking. And villa got decisions for next to nothing as well, it wasnt all one way.

Carrick possible booking - well he done nothing worthy of another card so it make no difference

Rafael booking - if he got it earlier then he probably would have stopped diving in, just like he did after he got booked.

Vidic booking - the ref would never booked him for what he got booked for if he already got a booking, it the double standard referee's use in that they give a first booking for something that they wouldnt give a second booking for.

Villa overal put up a good performance, but after 20minutes or so I dont think villa worked our keeper at all. Milner's shot early on was about the last save the keeper made.

You hit the top of the bar, but Kuzszcak had that easily covered anyways... you basically resorted to putting as many big men up top as you had available and just lumping it up there as if you were Sunderland. Actually was disappointed in many ways with villa in the final third as they got some real quality and can play lovely football (which is why i like to watch them often), however they rarely showed that quality from the 20minute onwards and that is why I didnt enjoy their gameplay as much as normal.

Man Utd seemed to control much of the game with villa overly reliant on long ball and Gabby's pace to create chances... there is one thing playing to your strength, and another on being overly reliant on it.

Man Utd dominated Villa with 10 men and no Vidic in the last game, so wouldnt necessarily made anything different at all. If anything it would have ruined the game as it wouldnt been as open as it was probably.

I will stop baiting you now though Turamber, no fun in it anymore.. especially when it is in regards to a team that I like to watch myself.

 

[Wonk]

aye, you should stop. I can hardly comment on any of carricks performances, before you're all over the thread.

 

[Turamber]

Was Carrick even playing? Man of the match for Valencia was a joke too, Park worked his bollocks off in midfield and gave us no time to play, particularly in the second half.

Anyway...

Football365 | All The News | Football News | MILNER HAPPY TO PLAY WHEREVER

Milner is such a sensible chap, hard to believe he's a Premier League footballer.

 

[Corran]

I agree about the fact Park should have been man of the match, if his shot went in I can guarentee that he would have been awarded it.

Park was working really hard defensively and made some really good offensive moves as well.

I think valencia got it because he was very dangerous in the last 20minutes and put in some really good crosses including what he did for the Rooney goal.
It is a pity that Park got overlooked because of the last 20minutes but that is unfortunately the way that these awards go, i often disagree with them.

 

[Ch3tan]

BBC Sport - Football - Financiers 'hold Manchester United takeover talks'

It would take IMO, massive amounts of financial pain to the Glazers to force them to sell - just look at Liverpool to see how owners can dig in. You'd need to get fans to agree to boycott games, merchandise, to write to sponsors and let them know they will boycott their products. Along with the offer of a massive buyout from these guys.

Also: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/q/qpr/8544436.stm - can't say I like the guy, but Palace really needed a manager like him till the end of the season. I don't see much hope for them avoiding relegation without him. Hope the compensation package was decent.

 

[megadave]

duno if this copy n paste will work

edit: nope

was trying to do the new deloitte finances shizzle

 

[Bahumat]

Regarding the Vidic tackle, I thought he should have got a yellow. With Cup competitions, the ref's dont like to send someone off really soon when it's a quarter/semi/final as it spoils the game for the team, and the viewers. I dont think it was because he 'bottled' it.

 

[Madmaxx]

Also: BBC Sport - Football - Neil Warnock is named manager of Queens Park Rangers - can't say I like the guy, but Palace really needed a manager like him till the end of the season. I don't see much hope for them avoiding relegation without him. Hope the compensation package was decent.

Cant believe we are fighting for relegation now, I live in southend and watch them sometimes to; but they are in the same position so not much fun watching football recently Hope Qpr can survive and next season bring some stability with our new chairman and manager.

 

[Everz]

Was always going to end ugly for your lot tbh, shame as QPR are a decent bunch of fans, even though your ground is cramped as fuck, feel like your standing on the blokes infronts shoulders everytime i go there haha.

 

[Madmaxx]

Lol well theres loadsa space there now bruv....As no one goes to watch em haha

 

[Ch3tan]

BBC Sport - Football - Top clubs given extra time on financial fair play rules

Hmmm... so clubs have a fair bit of time to meet the new financial rules. I'm not sure giving clubs more time is the answer, but it shows how little power UEFA has against the big clubs in Europe. Glad they have said that all clubs should meet these requirements though; UEFA wanted to just implement it for clubs with turnover of over £50million.

BBC News - Gold warns on administration risk < also, more doom and gloom from Gold.

 

[Lethul]

If Torres gets injured this weekend I'm going to ... I'll let you guys decide what I'm gonna do!

 

[cHodAX]

If Torres gets injured this weekend I'm going to ... I'll let you guys decide what I'm gonna do!

Anally penetrate Aoln!

 

[Wonk]

haha

Getting Winded (TSV Wimsheim-TSV Grunbach)