Sums up AoC

[Zedenz]

Exactly my point, that you don't HAVE to cater to the needs. As EVE proves, there's still enough players out there who are willing to play something "completely different".

But, if you want the cash, you need to cater, that's basically where it boils to.

Yep I totally agree, but you have to set the precident straight away, as EVE did. Unfortunately AoC hasn't done that and simply attracted the same crowd of people that played the rest of the fantasy MMO's, Camelot, WoW, Everquest etc etc.

Just coming out and saying it's a "mature" game isn't a enough for a mission statement.

Again unfortunately as has been stated, the launch period is usually where an MMO lives and dies. If the "whiners" arugment holds water then alot of people are going to abandon the game.

With that said though, there appears to be more than enough adherents to keep the game going anyway. It's just whether or not you want a massive playerbase, or something small like D&D Online.

If you enjoy the game though, it shouldn't bother you, it just means such games don't last as long (few years), as the influx of new players gradually runs out. Nobody wants to play a game with a tiny playerbase and usually make that decision before even trying it.

Anyway, I hope the game does ok for itself. As I said, it doesn't look like it's for me although I will continue to play it for a bit longer. I'm not one to point out all it's flaws intimately on the forums though as I am not a critic, although I may point those out to my colleagues etc, so word of mouth advertising may fail in my office at least ;p

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm guessing, that if it doesn't fall flat on it's face in the first year(hope not), funcom are such a marketing genius and "what ...mircales happen?!" company that they might do the same that happened with DAoC. As in, bit problems at first, but in a year, it becomes the norm of MMO(outside WoW).

I do agree, the PG18 isn't used enough, it was the one "niche" they had.

 

[dee777]

check this
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Hrothmund/062008/1816_AoC-is-out-and-a-disappointment-KilJaeden-is-down-Does-this-mean-success-for-WAR

Whoooa, now this is a real good example of broken logics.

So one guild has downed the last boss of the current iteration of WoW and that means the game is dead? Ooookaaaaay...I guess ~50 people (two raids with a backup each just to play with a number) count for the rest of the 10.000.000+ subscribers...yeah...

He wants me to assume AoC is shit. OK, for arguments sake I can do that, even tho he delivers no arguments, but ok. On the other hand he is stating that "if WAR can live up to its expectations" it will be a major hit.

*sigh*

No that is one bold statement. Not.

I still didnt get why we had to assume AoC is shit, as the dicussion pretty much stopped right after that assumption.

"A game that can unite the gameplay experience of WoW and the graphics of AoC is bound to be a success" (quted losely from memory).

Another bold statement. Not. Again.

The article shows one of the problems of the internet. The guy just writes something together and didnt had to show his text to a QA guy, before throwing it at the world. A newspaper would have torn that text to pieces and who knows, maybe he came out with a second or third iteration that made his points clear and gave you some reasoning behind it.

This iteration is a fail IMO.

 

[partyanimal]

I am not insulting people, I can just spot idiots on the internet miles away, but then again it's easy, they're all wearing big signs on their foreheads.

I spot you having a birthmark all over your forehead with capital bold letters :
MALAKAS

i won't bother posting anything else, cause manisch wants to draw a discussion into the sewers he lives and thrives.

 

[Tilda]

neither daoc, nor wow had any meaningful or decent pvp at release.

Took atleast 6 months for daoc's pvp to be worthwhile.

 

[Talivar]

I think the game is great, i can see all the faults everyone mentions but what i dont get is why point these things out now before the free month has even ended. IF we where to judge every MMO on its 1st 2-3 weeks then we wouldnt play any of them. WoW (US) and Daoc at release both sooked content wise yet they later became the great games we now know them as.Yes this is 2008 and things should be better but they not and i doubt will be for many years to come.As someone pointed out if you dont like it then vote with your wallet and then check back at a later date. Just please try to avoid all this haha game sooks i really wanted to like it but it sooks type stuff. Time is the only thing that will show if people right or wrong. On a plus side a lot of people cancelling might be a good thing because it might spur Funcom into motion and show them they need to add the things faster than they expected because at this moment i have a sneaky feeling they intend to add all this content and fix a lot of peoples complaints the week AFTER the free period ends, in an attempt to coax people into resubbing.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

I spot you having a birthmark all over your forehead with capital bold letters :
MALAKAS

i won't bother posting anything else, cause manisch wants to draw a discussion into the sewers he lives and thrives.

Good, fuck off. I win. Mission succeeded. Please take all the sick-in-the-head-living-on-the-moon whiners with you.

Thanks.

 

[Gahn]

Trunking definitive opinions over a game after playing it 2 weeks?
I find it rather rash to say the least.

 

[partyanimal]

Trunking definitive opinions over a game after playing it 2 weeks?
I find it rather rash to say the least.

just for the record, i am simply saying that given the today's standards, aoc was rushed out and its a shame to judge it as it is presented to us today.
but its really funcom's fault.

 

[Aada]

I've also noticed a correlation between people who:

- Rush things and play everything in one week. 8 characters at 80 almsot a norm.
- Whine about lack of content.
- Whine about "mechanics".
- Don't care about the story/atmosphere.

Same people, i'm betting, were the kids who ate a cake in a nanosecond at b-days and then stared at other kids eating and whine about "i want cake too!!"

Biggest load of BULL i have read all day.

I play maybe 2-3 hours a day in the week MAXIMUM does that magically stop me from noticing a lot of the stuff that was meant to be ingame at release is FUCKING MISSING?

I don't mind if you like the game but going as far as to start putting people in a catagory for not liking the game?

I would not recommend this game to anyone in it's current state it's fucking TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[taB]

Biggest load of BULL i have read all day.

I play maybe 2-3 hours a day in the week MAXIMUM does that magically stop me from noticing a lot of the stuff that was meant to be ingame at release is FUCKING MISSING?

I don't mind if you like the game but going as far as to start putting people in a catagory for not liking the game?

I would not recommend this game to anyone in it's current state it's fucking TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!

Aada, your position with regards to this is perfectly clear, if you could now please piss off and leave those who are enjoying themselves to do so, it would be appreciated.

 

[eksdee]

here's a solution - if you don't like the game, don't play.

qft

 

[old.Tohtori]

Biggest load of BULL i have read all day.

I play maybe 2-3 hours a day in the week MAXIMUM does that magically stop me from noticing a lot of the stuff that was meant to be ingame at release is FUCKING MISSING?

I don't mind if you like the game but going as far as to start putting people in a catagory for not liking the game?

I would not recommend this game to anyone in it's current state it's fucking TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!

Just for you, i'll add one item to the list:

- People who think everything is about them

 

[rynnor]

neither daoc, nor wow had any meaningful or decent pvp at release.

Took atleast 6 months for daoc's pvp to be worthwhile.

I thought it was fun back then when we were levelling in the frontiers (because it wasnt itemised and everything dropped cash - Kerching!) - had some fun fights in the 20s and much mayhem - I dont personally believe realm abilities and realm points improved the game...

Personally I like AoC - it has enough going for it that I'll stick around and the levelling is pretty painless.

 

[Faeldawn]

check this
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Hrothmund/062008/1816_AoC-is-out-and-a-disappointment-KilJaeden-is-down-Does-this-mean-success-for-WAR

Why do these journeyman players write these diatrobs about a game?

I really don't understand why, because they don't like it, it's therefore a failure...the game has, what, 400,000 subscribers? Every time a new game is released these self-same idiots crawl out the paintwork, they buy it, expect it to be comparable to their favourite <insert dated mmorpg title here> and when they aren't satisfied, it's the end of the world.

The worst of it is that for some equally baffling reason people read and digest this crap. I sometimes wonder how many players fit this buy-try-hate-despair mould and just what percentage they are of a games initial release figure, im guessing a very small percentage.

I wonder if these people will ever be satisfied by any game that isn't the one they sank all their teen-years into. It's the "It's no UO" or "It's no EQ" comments that are the best, as if you can compare UO to AoC...it's like comparing Pong to Wii tennis

 

[old.Tohtori]

The thing that makes me, among other things, believe in Conan is that...well...in a place where DAoC was god for MANY MANY years, seeing Momorpegers come and go, and still reign supreme, they STILL only have one or two persons saying "well conans sh*t really."

Kinda amazing.

 

[Ctuchik]

have you read the AoC boards recently, or at all?

and no AoC isnt shit, atleast not yet. its just horribly broken and unfinnished, even for a "just released" game.

 

[old.Tohtori]

have you read the AoC boards recently, or at all?

Well i meant that in this place, so many old DAoC hardcorists(it's a word!) think it's good, so it must have very good side snad potentials in it.

No way around it, DAoC people are the most scrutinizing people around these parts

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

have you read the AoC boards recently, or at all?

and no AoC isnt shit, atleast not yet. its just horribly broken and unfinnished, even for a "just released" game.

Oh yeah, official forums, the sources of deeper insight and the ultimate truth, sponsored by the whining minority while the majority just enjoys the game and doesn't give a fuck about people who never wrote a disquisition and yet claim to know it all.

Horribly broken is how much more than broken please? When software is broken, then it doesn't run at all in my books. Some features that are in but not working like they're supposed to work is something else.

Unfinished? I suppose so. Though I still have the feeling that I pay for a retail product I can enjoy and not for beta testing and that keeping a MMOG alive is constant adaption from the developer's point of view.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Why do these journeyman players write these diatrobs about a game?

I really don't understand why, because they don't like it, it's therefore a failure...the game has, what, 400,000 subscribers? Every time a new game is released these self-same idiots crawl out the paintwork, they buy it, expect it to be comparable to their favourite <insert dated mmorpg title here> and when they aren't satisfied, it's the end of the world.

The worst of it is that for some equally baffling reason people read and digest this crap. I sometimes wonder how many players fit this buy-try-hate-despair mould and just what percentage they are of a games initial release figure, im guessing a very small percentage.

I wonder if these people will ever be satisfied by any game that isn't the one they sank all their teen-years into. It's the "It's no UO" or "It's no EQ" comments that are the best, as if you can compare UO to AoC...it's like comparing Pong to Wii tennis

Thanks!

And thanks again for sanity!

 

[Tilda]

Guys try to keep it a civil discussion about the game. No reason to start yelling at each other
Aada, your views on most new things can be predicted in advance. If its a game you've made over 3 threads about in the last month, you'll say you love it, especially if its on your current FotM console.
Anything else you've just bought will doubtless be called shit and a waste of money.

Personally I like AoC, sure some bits are missing, and some bits are inbalanced or unfinished. But its fun, its pretty, and I'm having a whale of a time.
Compare DaoC as it was just released (very similar spell icons, no custom UI's, few quests, no RvR rewards, very little drop itemisation, and no RvR CC immunity (!), AoC looks pretty damn good.

 

[Ctuchik]

I wonder if these people will ever be satisfied by any game that isn't the one they sank all their teen-years into. It's the "It's no UO" or "It's no EQ" comments that are the best, as if you can compare UO to AoC...it's like comparing Pong to Wii tennis

theres not that much difference tho. a tad flashier grafic in pong but thats about it. (yes i know what i said)

 

[Ctuchik]

Horribly broken is how much more than broken please? When software is broken, then it doesn't run at all in my books. Some features that are in but not working like they're supposed to work is something else.

enough of whats in the game is broken to validate that statement, atleast for me.

like feats not working, and of those that do the majority are placeholders. stats on items not working, huge gaps in quests, classes thats so unbalanced they have the feeling of "last minute super rush just to get them in before release", no quest rewards in zones that certain race specific classes need, like 2 handed blunt weapon rewards in connarch(sp?) valley. i only ever saw one of them and that got pwnt by the first mob dropped 2 hander i found on my BS.

sure, by themself they aint much to complain about, but theres just so much that isnt working and quite frankly i'm getting tired of it.

and noone still didnt give a valid explanation to why MMO's can be released half finnished when any single player game that would have got released like this probably would flop. just look at Two worlds. its an awesome game now that all the bugs are fixed but u cant say it was majorly successful.

no, 99% of the ppl thats buying MMO's expect it to be unfinnished nearly beyond playability, so they dont have any expectations. does NOONE think its time to change that? i dont know about the rest of you ppl but i'm bloody tired of having to pay for early beta releases and then wait up to a year before the game is actually what the devs had in mind.

and its not just this game, this was just the final drop. ALL mmo's are like this more or less.

look at Auto Assault for example (yes its an EXTREME example and i doubt that AoC will close). the game rocked at the end. but it failed bad at release because the game wasent even close to being ready for release. so ppl left and by the time they managed to fix it to few came back to make a difference because they already found other games. so NCSoft had to shut it down.


owell, i'l stop arguing now. i just needed to vent a bit. just hope that funcom hurry the fuck up and get things sorted becausae i LIKE the game, i just cant be arsed to grind my way up the lvl's. and its boring to do tortage now after been there with 6 toons already.

 

[old.Tohtori]

hope that funcom hurry the fuck up

wo patches a week, for 4 hours, tuesday and thursday, late night...never been done in games so it seems they actually give a f*ck about bug reports.

So they are, but i just love the "ove rzealous" people when the game IS an Momorpeger and it IS week(two?) old.

 

[Zedenz]

Single players games can't afford to mess up on release, simply because despite maybe a few patchable bug fixes, if the game has no content on release it's never going to just get content added.

MMO's by their very nature are constantly expanding worlds, it's why we pay a subscription fee. So over the years MMO gamers have to come be much more tolerent for this type of behaviour because they expect/assume that things will be added as time goes on.

In most cases they are, it's just a case of how fast the devs of the MMO patch them in. It's catch 22 though, because although players want the new content asap, they also don't want to rush any new crap or else risk the dissapointment of the players, which in many cases can be more detrimental than having no content.

Give it time, I know it's hard in this day and age where everyone has played WoW. The people saying DAoC/UO was pants on release are mostly correct, but at the time people didn't know any better. The modern WoW player unfortunately does.

 

[Levin]

Like someone said above (Dee, I think?) - you can't expect a completely new MMO to stand up quality-wise to WoW in its current state. For a developer to build a game that is like WoW is now, they would have to spend so much time and money that it would be financially impossible. No new game will have 10 million people over five years to provide feedback and money.

So.

If we want new MMOs to come out at all, if we want companies to even consider the venture, we need to give them a chance. We need to be prepared for the fact that they won't be as "perfect" as already released games, and we need to give them a little faith that they can continue working on their product. They couldn't do that without money. And if you think the game has potential, as I see many complainers here say despite all, then consider sticking with it until they get the chance to add all those things you're missing at the moment!

You can't compare an MMO with a movie or a single player game. I will say again - if you want any competition at all to WoW, give games like these a chance to improve even after you pay your sub. And do try to enjoy the game in the meantime, because it isn't as bad as you'd think if you just relax a little.

 

[Faeldawn]

theres not that much difference tho. a tad flashier grafic in pong but thats about it. (yes i know what i said)

hehe

 

[Aada]

Like someone said above (Dee, I think?) - you can't expect a completely new MMO to stand up quality-wise to WoW in its current state. For a developer to build a game that is like WoW is now, they would have to spend so much time and money that it would be financially impossible. No new game will have 10 million people over five years to provide feedback and money.

So.

If we want new MMOs to come out at all, if we want companies to even consider the venture, we need to give them a chance. We need to be prepared for the fact that they won't be as "perfect" as already released games, and we need to give them a little faith that they can continue working on their product. They couldn't do that without money. And if you think the game has potential, as I see many complainers here say despite all, then consider sticking with it until they get the chance to add all those things you're missing at the moment!

You can't compare an MMO with a movie or a single player game. I will say again - if you want any competition at all to WoW, give games like these a chance to improve even after you pay your sub. And do try to enjoy the game in the meantime, because it isn't as bad as you'd think if you just relax a little.

But Conan barely has the basics i think that is what people are getting that.

I can handle the bugs no problem even if they are annoying.

What i can't stand is no crafting system and it will take patches and patches to get a proper crafting system in place for every crafting profession.

At the moment AOC is a hack and slash with very little else to do besides getting your character to lvl 80 and repeat the process again until they start adding stuff that should have been in on release.

I agree with everyone here that the game has potential to be a massively great game but at this current time that is all it is.

With them bringing out patches twice a week they must have their teams working overtime to get things sorted so i guess that shows that they do know what is going on.

 

[old.Tohtori]

But Conan barely has the basics i think that is what people are getting that.

I can handle the bugs no problem even if they are annoying.

What i can't stand is no crafting system and it will take patches and patches to get a proper crafting system in place for every crafting profession.

At the moment AOC is a hack and slash with very little else to do besides getting your character to lvl 80 and repeat the process again until they start adding stuff that should have been in on release.

I agree with everyone here that the game has potential to be a massively great game but at this current time that is all it is.

With them bringing out patches twice a week they must have their teams working overtime to get things sorted so i guess that shows that they do know what is going on.

With them bringing out patches twice a week means that they want the new content to be in the game ASAP, instead of doing it once a week, or once a month, or every three months.

Jesus h christ, this is what i meant about whining no matter what.

Not to mention...

If your biggest irc in the game is crafting, i'd suggest Second Life to be f*cking brutally honest.

It might take A patch to put it in, who the f*ck knows, maybe it wasn't complete and they felt "Ah f*ck, crafting ain't really in the top of peoples minds when thinking of Conan the Barbarian." It's not like it's called Age of the Guy Who Makes a Mean Shirt.

 

[taB]

It's not like it's called Age of the Guy Who Makes a Mean Shirt.

Just think of the potential!