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[Ctuchik]

KvF is just too easy for a co-ordinated fleet, uncloak and they die one by one....usually before they even get a target lock on any of you.

that has absolutely nothing to do with coordination tho.

stacked rapid fire is the only reason klingons win in small maps. /edit: its the reason they win almost all their games...


fix that and it will be balanced.

you should try some 20 players capture and hold KvF tbh, feds are doing alot better there even against coordinated fleets.

playing only that map atm and i think i've lost a total of 15 - 20 games this week, primarily because not many feds zoned in at the start.

 

[Tallen]

that has absolutely nothing to do with coordination tho.

stacked rapid fire is the only reason klingons win in small maps. /edit: its the reason they win almost all their games...


fix that and it will be balanced.

you should try some 20 players capture and hold KvF tbh, feds are doing alot better there even against coordinated fleets.

playing only that map atm and i think i've lost a total of 15 - 20 games this week, primarily because not many feds zoned in at the start.

It is co-ordination, leader chooses a target, group assists, target dies, kill the next.....co-ordination.....I do know what you mean, but we often split the group between two targets or have two groups with two leader assists. It's more co-operation in the group and co-ordination between the groups or sub-groups.

I have tried pretty much every single pvp type and map, many times over, co-ordinated K fleets win almost all the time, I have yet to see a single effective Fed fleet (there might be some out there, but thanks to the instancing system i certainly haven't encountered one yet), un-coordinatred K's quite often lose... which is why i never bother FvK anymore. It's just too predictable.

KvK is always a good fight and there are some great fleet rivalries at times.

Sorry feds, but you can sit in the queue all night for all i care, KvK is where the fun is at for me right now

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

On a different note (if we're up for the TF missions), I need a new headset & mic for Vent, cause I managed to break the last one.

Overloaded it screaming "MORE DOTS GET OUT OF THE FUCKING WHELPS!!!!" huh?

 

[Ctuchik]

It is co-ordination, leader chooses a target, group assists, target dies, kill the next.....co-ordination.....I do know what you mean, but we often split the group between two targets or have two groups with two leader assists. It's more co-operation in the group and co-ordination between the groups or sub-groups.

sure assisting helps, no question about that.

but the main "culprit" here is stacked rapid fire coupled with that other attack pattern that decrease damage resistance the more ppl hit the target.

klingons just have to much bonuses with their ability to fit cannons on all their ships to actually be balanced against feds that use beams.

it doesent really matter how we set our beam "dps" skills up theres just no way in hell we can get the same DPS over time as klingons.

the only thing we have is our defenses, wich still isnt good enough when ppl start stacking RF.

hell when i pop all my resist buffs i'm more or less taking 0 damage to my shields, but i still end up dying because of bleedthrough, wich doesent seem to take the resists or damage reduction into place. so if 4 klingons with stacked RF starts to hit me they still get over 300 - 400 dps through my shields each, and that adds up fast, and they all seem to have developed the unhealthy habit of using feedback pulse (100% ignores shields) :/

so to answer your statement that there isn't any efficient fed fleets out there that you've seen.

they do exist, just that they are by default less effective then you are due to being forced to use beams. theres just no way for them to compete with klingons in DPS while klingons can have just about as much defenses as feds.

its somewhat even in T1 and T2, but in T3 and up the inherent defense penalty klingons are supposed to have doesent mean anything because its just so easy to overcap defenses...

 

[Talyn]

Overloaded it screaming "MORE DOTS GET OUT OF THE FUCKING WHELPS!!!!" huh?

That kinda thing... or that I buy cheap crap that breaks at the slightest touch. I should really think about spending £50+ for a headset rather than a ten quid PoS.

 

[MYstIC G]

Depends on the POS. I bought the wanky gaming ones by creative a while back when they were £20. They're actually very good and I think you can still pick them up for about £20-£30. They're just comfy and the mic works plus you get a bag to store them in so nil dust (used to annoy me with my old headset). Just wish some twat didn't have his name scrawled on them!

 

[Talyn]

Here's todays notes - Release Notes - March 5, 2010 - Star Trek Online Forums


Mainly little bug fixes from yesterdays patch.

Also, I want to ask again, are we interested in our own little forum? I think it would be useful, as this thread does seem to keep going.. and going..

 

[MYstIC G]

Well I've not had a definitive "Yes" in terms of a forum which is why it's not appeared yet.

Did anyone else find all their keybinds for combat had been moved from alt to ctrl with the patch the other day btw?

 

[Tallen]

sure assisting helps, no question about that.

but the main "culprit" here is stacked rapid fire coupled with that other attack pattern that decrease damage resistance the more ppl hit the target.

klingons just have to much bonuses with their ability to fit cannons on all their ships to actually be balanced against feds that use beams.

it doesent really matter how we set our beam "dps" skills up theres just no way in hell we can get the same DPS over time as klingons.

the only thing we have is our defenses, wich still isnt good enough when ppl start stacking RF.

hell when i pop all my resist buffs i'm more or less taking 0 damage to my shields, but i still end up dying because of bleedthrough, wich doesent seem to take the resists or damage reduction into place. so if 4 klingons with stacked RF starts to hit me they still get over 300 - 400 dps through my shields each, and that adds up fast, and they all seem to have developed the unhealthy habit of using feedback pulse (100% ignores shields) :/

so to answer your statement that there isn't any efficient fed fleets out there that you've seen.

they do exist, just that they are by default less effective then you are due to being forced to use beams. theres just no way for them to compete with klingons in DPS while klingons can have just about as much defenses as feds.

its somewhat even in T1 and T2, but in T3 and up the inherent defense penalty klingons are supposed to have doesent mean anything because its just so easy to overcap defenses...

I agree with everything you say, Klingons are too powerful, this is one of the main reasons why i don't FvK. KvK is balanced, hence it's a lot more fun, for me at least.

Problem is there really isn't much chance of Cryptic balancing the two factions, they are terribly inept at pvp balance as they proved several times in beta.

 

[Tallen]

Here's todays notes - Release Notes - March 5, 2010 - Star Trek Online Forums


Mainly little bug fixes from yesterdays patch.

Also, I want to ask again, are we interested in our own little forum? I think it would be useful, as this thread does seem to keep going.. and going..

Grown quite attached to this thread tbh

 

[Talyn]

Well I've not had a definitive "Yes" in terms of a forum which is why it's not appeared yet.

Did anyone else find all their keybinds for combat had been moved from alt to ctrl with the patch the other day btw?

Yep, had to rearrange during cambat, having wondered why my High Yeild Torps, weren't high yeilding!!

As for a little forums, I was just thinking of a couple of sticky threads - one for patch notes, one for engineering notes, and maybe one for 'other' important stuff from the site, as it seems a few people refuse or don't want to get involved in the major flamewars that occur over there. In honesty, I've stopped looking at most of the forums, except for the locked patch ntoes, dev notes etc. it just might be a little tidier than 1 thread with 3 different conversations. It's the OCD part of me...

 

[PLightstar]

I'm with you on that, unless I am looking for something specific, like BO power info, release notes etc I stay well away from the main forum. Having a main forum here would be nice.

 

[MYstIC G]

Right o. I shall try and sort out over the weekend. If I forget can one of you PM me or bump it here as it's been a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong week.

 

[Z^^]

sothlol - live streaming video powered by Livestream just for fun...

 

[Ctuchik]

I'm with you on that, unless I am looking for something specific, like BO power info,

Bridge Officer Skills - STO-Intel

 

[Talyn]

Release Notes - March 8, 2010 - Star Trek Online Forums

Todays notes, nothing fancy, mainly bug fixes.

 

[Ctuchik]

noticed klingons had some fleet action maps now....

dont think that many actually do as they are near deserted

 

[Tallen]

Anyone been on the official forums in the last few days? You won't see anything overly critical on there, and if you do, by the time you read it, it's been removed and the poster banned. Anything slightly negative, locked.

The forum is very heavily moderated right now, presumably to try and filter out the overly nasty negativity, but they are inadvertantly making it look like deliberate censorship.....and this is only making people angrier. Cryptic just can't seem to catch a break

 

[Ctuchik]

the life of running their own forum.

it will calm down once ppl realize that they just can't post whatever they want.

tbh they should have done this right from the get-go, now it will be slightly nastier but in the end it will just help the community.

 

[Ctuchik]

some interesting stuff on the test server, still nowhere near enough pve for klingons tho. hopefully they will add more before the patch go live.

 

[Talyn]

It's probably old by now, but here you go - todays two new website thingamajigs -

Star Trek Online

Star Trek Online (Not something I would do, never even been on the WoW test server.)

 

[Tallen]

the life of running their own forum.

it will calm down once ppl realize that they just can't post whatever they want.

tbh they should have done this right from the get-go, now it will be slightly nastier but in the end it will just help the community.

Well, only subscribers can post, so now the free months are up, a lot of the unimpressed will leave.

Problem is, the damage really has been done already.

 

[MYstIC G]

It's probably old by now, but here you go - todays two new website thingamajigs -

Star Trek Online

Star Trek Online (Not something I would do, never even been on the WoW test server.)

Site is down for maintenance, clue us in plox.

 

[Talyn]

Sorry, thought it would have posted the page titles too...

The first link is a little article by a GM (kind of a 'this is our procedure for scenario 'x' - griefing and such)

The second link is announcing Tribble is up and running, and has a signup button for character copy.

 

[Ctuchik]

got a event calendar aswell..

Star Trek Online

 

[Ctuchik]

uagh.

trying to level my klingon but fuck me its boring to only have pvp...

 

[Talyn]

Yeah, I started a Klinger, not done very much with it yet.. am currently building up my engineer.

 

[Ctuchik]

take a look at your bank statements if you pay for either STO or champions, i have some really weird transactions going on.

first a outgoing payment of 218 SEK, then a incomming transaction of 210, then one day later another outgoing payment of 110 SEK.

and neither of those numbers makes sense...

emailed support so lets see what they have to say.

 

[Z^^]

Why is it that ppl who play federation think they can't use cannons?

 

[Ctuchik]

Why is it that ppl who play federation think they can't use cannons?

because only the escorts can

sure all can use turrets but i think ppl are moving away from that as they wont be nearly as viable after the 45 day patch that hits next thursday.