solo moc sheer shammies

[Shike]

Be glad this isn't the prenerf FZ days...

1) You start your run
2) FG inc
3) Zephyred...
4) Buffsheared...
5) Zephyred...
6) Damaged to <10%
7) Diseased
8) Messed
9) Emoted
10) FG takes off :>

hehe, had a guildie looooooooooong time ago, that was chainstunned/mezzed/rooted for 30minutes by some infamous mids in Snowdonia once Only way he got out of it was by resetting PC since he didnt know how to shut down the game ^^

Worst ever done to anyone in DAoC that I've heard of yet until todays date.

 

[charmangle]

well shammy, cleric or druid sheer equals dead tbh.

you cant fight other opponents with like af, and haste, when they got the full array, and I would say like 1 in 100 opponents u meet is unbuffed, so you cant really just carry on with your runs.

plus u dont wanna fight without buffs you might loose to some newb who thinks he owns you forever!

Well yes ofc, but isnt it still the same though ? If it had been a caster that arrived youd 99% of the times been dead anyway and having to rebuff, only difference is that you have to make a suide run on someone without a couple of buffs. In any case it has to be equal or better than beeing added on by any other class in the game ?

/Charmangle

 

[censi]

yer dont get me wrong like one guy said, he plays his cleric solo and he sheers opponents he fights to reduce their effectiveness.

I mean you cant really argue with statement.

its just these peeps that do it just to piss you off that really get me (the ones that dont wanna fight back just sheer and die). I just cant understand the mentality but then basically I think they are morons. As one guy said here he does it to make himself laugh. Most of these morons have prolly got a stealther and just get their arse handed to them so they go out on a sheer mission or summin i dunno. Cant be their primary toon I mean how many times can u do it before it gets dull?

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Just a thought...if the class that added (or joined in just after you were done whichever you meant) had been any other class he would just have taken you out. Is that better than beeing shared ?

/Charmangle

No..not really. Any other class can just dmg u... so u can dmg back...vanish...or just make use of Blood Rage (sb only)

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

hehe, had a guildie looooooooooong time ago, that was chainstunned/mezzed/rooted for 30minutes by some infamous mids in Snowdonia once Only way he got out of it was by resetting PC since he didnt know how to shut down the game ^^

Worst ever done to anyone in DAoC that I've heard of yet until todays date.

My personal favourite is shearing them completely, then letting your cleric go 1-1 with them. Always good for a laugh.

 

[Chronictank]

your actually whining about someone taking away your unfair advantage
if it bothers everyone so much why not just get cl buffs like people without buffbots have to just to compete.
Im with Tilda on this one tbh

 

[Nichii]

i've fought only 2 shammies in the past week or so (solo'ers)

1) hit em
2) get aoe disease/speed decrease
3) cast some dd on him to PREVENT buffsheers
4) he pops moc1 buffsheers con and strenght and d/q before i get to hit him
5) another insta aoe disease/speed decrease
6) run away and dot's....

not whining or complaining, like someone said on page #1 dont fight em if you cant beat em, no harm trying though

... did kill one of em btw, had purge up, others then that i run off sui and go rebuff, not giving rp's for something that stupid

 

[censi]

your actually whining about someone taking away your unfair advantage
if it bothers everyone so much why not just get cl buffs like people without buffbots have to just to compete.
Im with Tilda on this one tbh

like I say everyone has buffs now. Its not an unfair advantage. If you have any aspirations of playing this game solo you need buffs. Thats just a fact of daoc (right or wrong). Again your missing my point, I cba to keep spelling it out. next time just reply "he pays his subs meight" or summin.

 

[eggy]

I think sheers are a great addition.

However, I do think it's a bit iffy that shamans get uber-fast cast speed on theirs. I mean, when a shaman pops moc1, afaik they don't lose a great deal of main utility...they can still interrupt just as well, still sheer just as well, still disease just as well.

However, as Albs sheerer is also the main healing class, you are forced to buy moc3...it's no fun popping moc1 then being unable to heal effectively. Of course, you can always have one enh+moc1 and the other rej, but it's not exactly ideal.

 

[Andrilyn]

You can remove MoC icon/effect though so if you are affraid to pop it and lose your healing abilities just pop MoC1 and shear and then remove MoC.

 

[eggy]

You can remove MoC icon/effect though so if you are affraid to pop it and lose your healing abilities just pop MoC1 and shear and then remove MoC.

You can't!

Or at least you couldn't when I had moc on cleric a few months ago.

 

[Andrilyn]

You can't!

Or at least you couldn't when I had moc on cleric a few months ago.

You can, only takes a little "trick" or bug or how you want to call it.

 

[eggy]

You can, only takes a little "trick" or bug or how you want to call it.

Ah right, well I prefer not to cheat

 

[Eregion]

Or just spec moc3 and be happy you have 2 shearers in group instead.

 

[Andrilyn]

Bit a waste of points though, MoC3 for a Cleric/Druid/Shaman.

 

[Eregion]

Bit a waste of points though, MoC3 for a Cleric/Druid/Shaman.

Why is it a waste of points? Except for the shaman which I agree but not for the other 2.

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Yes..but shammy doesnt get DI...

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

Or just spec moc3 and be happy you have 2 shearers in group instead.

was fun when I played hibbie land we ran with 3 druids and 2 of them was 39/40 buffs xD loads of buff strips and loads of AE root spam

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

Yes..but shammy doesnt get DI...

Shammys get STORMLORD!!!!!!! that's unfair

 

[Andrilyn]

Why is it a waste of points? Except for the shaman which I agree but not for the other 2.

Unless your a 24/7 Bridge/tower/keep camper it's not needed at all.
If you roam (I.e not camp in an enclosed area) you just don't need MoC3.
If you need MoC3 that tells me 3 things about the person:

A) You position yourself crap during battles.
B) You don't know how to pre kite.
C) You don't communicate with your group very well.

Only classes I'd ever consider getting MoC3 would be PBAE classes and lifetap classes as I can count the times on one hand in 4-5 years of playing on my Cleric that I actually thought "Wow it would be really nice if I had MoC3 now".
But like I said if you are into camping alot then yes it's needed as primairy healer, if you don't then I don't see no reason to ever get it but that's my opinion ofc.

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

Unless your a 24/7 Bridge/tower/keep camper it's not needed at all.
If you roam (I.e not camp in an enclosed area) you just don't need MoC3.
If you need MoC3 that tells me 3 things about the person:

A) You position yourself crap during battles.
B) You don't know how to pre kite.
C) You don't communicate with your group very well.

Only classes I'd ever consider getting MoC3 would be PBAE classes and lifetap classes as I can count the times on one hand in 4-5 years of playing on my Cleric that I actually thought "Wow it would be really nice if I had MoC3 now".
But like I said if you are into camping alot then yes it's needed as primairy healer, if you don't then I don't see no reason to ever get it but that's my opinion ofc.

well I can only speak for my druid since I never played cleric a lot really, but as a druid I find moc very usefull for buffstripping ae rooting and healing when u go close to interrupt.

 

[Wilburn]

However, I do think it's a bit iffy that shamans get uber-fast cast speed on theirs. I mean, when a shaman pops moc1, afaik they don't lose a great deal of main utility...they can still interrupt just as well, still sheer just as well, still disease just as well.

However, as Albs sheerer is also the main healing class, you are forced to buy moc3...it's no fun popping moc1 then being unable to heal effectively. Of course, you can always have one enh+moc1 and the other rej, but it's not exactly ideal.

That has nothing to do what so ever on the problem m8. Droods and Clerics are main buffers AND main healers.. Shamans are just main buffers, but the healing part they are so shitty at, that interupting is alot better. I know alot of healers with MoC3, who uses it in a similiar way as droods/healers needs to use it.
The casting speed on droods, shamans and clerics are pretty much the same. I have 361 dex with 26 dex cap, AugDex 4 on my shammy.. I do believe the other realms got something similiar.

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

The casting speed on droods, shamans and clerics are pretty much the same. I have 361 dex with 26 dex cap, AugDex 4 on my shammy.. I do believe the other realms got something similiar.

when buffstrips was introduced each realm got something special with buffstrips....

Shamans got faster buffstrips
Clerics got extra range
Druids got more dmg <-- yay ! dmg wich btw is removed from buffstrips now

 

[Wilburn]

I think sheers are a great addition.

However, I do think it's a bit iffy that shamans get uber-fast cast speed on theirs. I mean, when a shaman pops moc1, afaik they don't lose a great deal of main utility...they can still interrupt just as well, still sheer just as well, still disease just as well.

However, as Albs sheerer is also the main healing class, you are forced to buy moc3...it's no fun popping moc1 then being unable to heal effectively. Of course, you can always have one enh+moc1 and the other rej, but it's not exactly ideal.

oh.. never mind my reply.. I re-read it, and apparently read it wrong :-/

 

[Wilburn]

when buffstrips was introduced each realm got something special with buffstrips....

Shamans got faster buffstrips
Clerics got extra range
Druids got more dmg <-- yay ! dmg wich btw is removed from buffstrips now

yeye.. got the point Eggy was trying to make now

 

[Eregion]

Fair enough, each to his own I didnt play with moc until I was rr10 either, but when I got it I realised how nice it actually was.
Big difference between pac healer and cleric though, pac will have a harder time to get a good position at start.
I still don't think it's a 'waste of points' for any of the classes, it's all about playstyle. An offensive cleric will need moc while the defensive one don't have the same need for it. Same with druids. Never really see offensive clerics nowadays though. Except for Duact.

 

[Eregion]

The casting speed on droods, shamans and clerics are pretty much the same. I have 361 dex with 26 dex cap, AugDex 4 on my shammy.. I do believe the other realms got something similiar.

Droods and clerics have way more important ra's then aug dex tbh(mcl2, di, moc, bof, purge etc) so that statement is just not true. Add the faster shears to that and you will see that shaman should have quite superior castspeed.

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

Droods and clerics have way more important ra's then aug dex tbh(mcl2, di, moc, bof, purge etc) so that statement is just not true. Add the faster shears to that and you will see that shaman should have quite superior castspeed.

and kobbies have higher starter dex aswell if they pick that ofc

 

[Eregion]

and kobbies have higher starter dex aswell if they pick that ofc

Yeah, give luri druids.

 

[Chronictank]

like I say everyone has buffs now. Its not an unfair advantage. If you have any aspirations of playing this game solo you need buffs. Thats just a fact of daoc (right or wrong). Again your missing my point, I cba to keep spelling it out. next time just reply "he pays his subs meight" or summin.

it is a unfair advantage by definition...
why is that so hard to comprehend?
if you have a buffbot, you have a significant edge over someone who cant afford/cant run a second account.
Last i checked it wasn't a pre-requisite to buy 2 accounts to play daoc
Just because alot of people have buffbots doesnt make it any less of a unfair advantage over people who cant afford/run a second account. The fact of the matter is the majority of the playerbase dont have one, meaning it is not the norm