Politics So...Europe then?

[caLLous]

 

[BloodOmen]

Yeah wonder who they will stitch up with health now.

They can't do any worse than Cunt did.

 

[Moriath]

They can't do any worse than Cunt did.

True. And i get the general direction of stuff is dictated by party policy. But how much are these cabinet MPs figureheads of an organisation of civil servants that actually work the details and construct the realities that these politicians are then used to sell to the public.

 

[Gumbo]

Well I wouldn't be surprised, his MIA on the Heathrow vote won't of helped him in Hillingdon.

I wonder if he's going to lie in front of a bulldozer.

He has lied in front of a bus, so this should be easy.

 

[Wij]

I wonder if he's going to lie in front of a bulldozer.

He has lied in front of a bus, so this should be easy.

*baddum-tish*

 

[Bodhi]

True. And i get the general direction of stuff is dictated by party policy. But how much are these cabinet MPs figureheads of an organisation of civil servants that actually work the details and construct the realities that these politicians are then used to sell to the public.

The NHS should be taken out of the hands of Politicians, much the same way they did with the BBC.

It also needs reformed to buggery, potentially moving more towards a European Socialised Health Insurance model, mainly as they also have Universal Access to health care, but much better outcomes (i.e less people coming out in a body bag) - but I dread to think of the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the NHS cultists on Twitter.

 

[Gwadien]

The NHS should be taken out of the hands of Politicians, much the same way they did with the BBC.

It also needs reformed to buggery, potentially moving more towards a European Socialised Health Insurance model, mainly as they also have Universal Access to health care, but much better outcomes (i.e less people coming out in a body bag) - but I dread to think of the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the NHS cultists on Twitter.

Problem is that no-one has really suggested it because 21st politics of not doing much because you don't want to ruin your political career.

 

[Scouse]

"European Socialised Health Insurance"

You mean National Insurance? Or an additional tax you want us to pay?

 

[Gwadien]

"European Socialised Health Insurance"

You mean National Insurance? Or an additional tax you want us to pay?

Nah, subsidised health care - it's private but richer you are less is subsidised

 

[DaGaffer]

Nah, subsidised health care - it's private but richer you are less is subsidised

Easily fixed if you took the caps off NI and actually ringed fenced NI for the NHS and Social Welfare/pensions (as was the original intent) instead of dumping it into general taxation. Will never, ever happen of course. The point is there is actually a mechanism there to offer progressive funding for the NHS without resorting to alternate schemes that make insurance companies richer.

 

[Bodhi]

"European Socialised Health Insurance"

You mean National Insurance? Or an additional tax you want us to pay?

Sort of like that, but with a choice of which Health Care provider we use. As my local hospital is Stafford I'd very much appreciate the choice of going somewhere else.

 

[fettoken]

According to our reputable and responsible newspapers here in Sweden: Nazis are back and are free to propagate and recruit all they want. Come on! Nearly 10% of our population are rolling with Islam - that is scary.

 

[Scouse]

Sort of like that, but with a choice of which Health Care provider we use. As my local hospital is Stafford I'd very much appreciate the choice of going somewhere else.

I'd rather quality of care be the focus rather than people shopping around like hospitals are schools - with all the concomitant (and expensive) problems that creates.

Equality of treatment regardless of area is an achieveable aim.

 

[Bodhi]

I'd rather quality of care be the focus rather than people shopping around like hospitals are schools - with all the concomitant (and expensive) problems that creates.

Equality of treatment regardless of area is an achieveable aim.

Something they've also got down pretty well in Europe, with those pesky Private Healthcare providers. In fact I saw an advert when I was going through Schiphol last week, suggesting people come and sample Dutch Health Care (some of the actual best in the world). We could do the same and get some more cash for the NHS.

 

[Scouse]

You saw an advert that suggested what they were selling was not shit?!!

What a great source of empirical information.

 

[Bodhi]

Wow, what an amazingly patronising way of demonstrating you completely missed the point.

 

[Moriath]

Wow, what an amazingly patronising way of demonstrating you completely missed the point.

But if we dont have resources to treat all our domestic people. Adding health tourists would just use up limited resource before the money they bought could be reinvested. Chicken and egg.

 

[Bodhi]

But if we dont have resources to treat all our domestic people. Adding health tourists would just use up limited resource before the money they bought could be reinvested. Chicken and egg.

Hate to break it to you, but that is happening already. Maybe this way we could claw some money back for treatment given.

I mean the NHS is the envy of the world (apparently) who wouldn't jump at the chance to come to the UK and sample it's magic?

 

[Talivar]

How long would it be before the health tourists that pay become priority due to their ability to pay and then how long before all the resources are used just on the influx of health tourists and those with little or no money are suddenly out in the cold

 

[Bodhi]

How long would it be before the health tourists that pay become priority due to their ability to pay and then how long before all the resources are used just on the influx of health tourists and those with little or no money are suddenly out in the cold

But the NHS will be getting more resources in the form of money, and I am told that is all the NHS needs?

 

[Moriath]

Hate to break it to you, but that is happening already. Maybe this way we could claw some money back for treatment given.

I mean the NHS is the envy of the world (apparently) who wouldn't jump at the chance to come to the UK and sample it's magic?

Yes but we are not advertising it. And many at the moment i know try to get awaywithout paying. But still chicken and egg.

 

[Gwadien]

We've already established that health tourism has a very small impact on the NHS. Last I checked it was in the tens of millions, which is fuck all in the grand scheme of things.

What we need is a refreshing politician who has balls but not massive enough balls to do what @Bodhi suggested but to wipe out useless middle management across the public sector instead of nuking frontline workers.

 

[dysfunction]

But the NHS will be getting more resources in the form of money, and I am told that is all the NHS needs?

It doesn't need all those extra people that's for sure

 

[Moriath]

We've already established that health tourism has a very small impact on the NHS. Last I checked it was in the tens of millions, which is fuck all in the grand scheme of things.

What we need is a refreshing politician who has balls but not massive enough balls to do what @Bodhi suggested but to wipe out useless middle management across the public sector instead of nuking frontline workers.

We were talking about promoting the nhs to outsiders to gain money. I know what there is atm it peanuts.

 

[Scouse]

Actually. I love Brexit. Because of this:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkvEp_B5Kq8

 

[BloodOmen]

So looking at her "Blueprint" it just seems to me like Brexit has been a huge waste of fucking time if that's all she can come up with.

 

[Wij]

So looking at her "Blueprint" it just seems to me like Brexit has been a huge waste of fucking time if that's all she can come up with.

It was always going to be. Either 'regain control' by massively fucking up trade with our nearest and most valuable trade partners or don't fuck up that trade and leave control with the EU. Not an improvement either way. Everything else was just fantasy.

May's 'compromise', even if accepted by the EU (which it won't be because it still tries to have some bits of the single market without other bits, an EU red line, and tries to create space in customs for our own trade deals whilst still being able to benefit from the EU's trade deals because you could get someone to import them to Dublin and then pop them across the border at no cost, no-one would agree to that) still leaves the services sector high and dry. We have a big trade surplus in services with the EU. That's gonna be wrecked.

It's all a load of shit.

 

[fettoken]

Actually. I love Brexit. Because of this:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkvEp_B5Kq8

Theresa May: Nothing has changed!

Villagers:
- No... no
- No!
- No!

- ...yes
- Yes!
- YES!!

 

[Job]

It was always going to be. Either 'regain control' by massively fucking up trade with our nearest and most valuable trade partners or don't fuck up that trade and leave control with the EU. Not an improvement either way. Everything else was just fantasy.

May's 'compromise', even if accepted by the EU (which it won't be because it still tries to have some bits of the single market without other bits, an EU red line, and tries to create space in customs for our own trade deals whilst still being able to benefit from the EU's trade deals because you could get someone to import them to Dublin and then pop them across the border at no cost, no-one would agree to that) still leaves the services sector high and dry. We have a big trade surplus in services with the EU. That's gonna be wrecked.

It's all a load of shit.

They are shit scared of hard brexit, because that would leave them in the position of destroying trade on principal...they would actually have to go out of their way to fuck over industry on both sides..which is quite obviously unworkable, it would be the end of the EU.
Are they seriously considering putting us in a worse position than someone whos never been in their ponzi ,protectionist trading fantasy.
You cant have globalisation and a members club.
The worlds 5/6th biggest economy and there is talk of destroying trade?
What an utter farce, the money makers and job creators would round up the EU and theyd all be found at the bottom of a lake in cement boots.

 

[Wij]

They are shit scared of hard brexit, because that would leave them in the position of destroying trade on principal...they would actually have to go out of their way to fuck over industry on both sides..which is quite obviously unworkable, it would be the end of the EU.
Are they seriously considering putting us in a worse position than someone whos never been in their ponzi ,protectionist trading fantasy.
You cant have globalisation and a members club.
The worlds 5/6th biggest economy and there is talk of destroying trade?
What an utter farce, the money makers and job creators would round up the EU and theyd all be found at the bottom of a lake in cement boots.

Bollocks.