Politics So...Europe then?

[caLLous]

All the World's ills in one sentence.

Not *all* the World's ills. I don't see "religion".

 

[old.user4556]

I still think there's quite an element of greed, or intense selfishness, that drives religion too.

 

[Raven]

Its the same shit. Greed being money or greed being subjugation/power through religion.

 

[Ormorof]

Yes, you're right, like Greece now, another 70 billion payout, with money borrowed on the never never.

70 billion thats going straight from greece to the banks they owe money to, most if whom are based in London

The greek bailout is basically a subsidy paid to finance sector

 

[Raven]

Anyone would think the whole thing is run to make rich people even more richer!

 

[DaGaffer]

70 billion thats going straight from greece to the banks they owe money to, most if whom are based in London

The greek bailout is basically a subsidy paid to finance sector

Very little of the Greek debt is held by UK banks, most of it is owed to the French and Ze Germans.

 

[Job]

Basically they lent money to Greece, so EU taxpayers have to pay it back to the banks by borrowing more money off the banks.

 

[Scouse]

It's the bestest!

Sometimes

Basically they lent money to Greece, so EU taxpayers have to pay it back to the banks by borrowing more money off the banks.

That's how the entire world's monetary system works. How does leaving the EU help us with that?

 

[old.Osy]

Scouse, Job is guilty of Nationalism - taking pride in things he never had a part in and hating people he never met. (As Carlin well said)

But I guess we all know that, so just filter accordingly

 

[Raven]

You do realise that people are capable of being both proud of their heritage and at the same time have no issue with foreigners...right? In fact, much of what being British is built on is multi-nationalism. (Not that that is how Job sees it but still...)

 

[Job]

You can talk all the hippy dippy, everyone in thd great big blue boat around the Sun you like, but in reality the liberal experiment of white guilt/destroy nationalism, has done nothing but back it into a corner where it has lashed out.
We are looking at a west utterly fragmented by its own actions.
A mono culture of multiculture, Englands culture lost while the countries of immigration origin are expanding theirs, no one will thank us for it.
All we will have in a world of globalism our identity, every country will by anytown..except it's only us throwing away what we have.
The ever pondering liberal force of doing the right thing is changing us in decades beyond recognition and when it's over people will say...why the fuck did they do that.
Of course it won't happen, because war is next, funny face Farage was the first step towards that.

 

[Scouse]

And you welcome that with open arms.

Anyway:

Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind

 

[Job]

No I'm being nihilistic about our future and blaming it on those good intentions that lead to hell.

 

[fettoken]

@Scouse There is no universal truth that can be summed up in a proverb, isch.

 

[Scouse]

@Scouse There is no universal truth that can be summed up in a proverb, isch.

I didn't quote a proverb. I quoted the assessment of one of humanity's greatest-ever geniuses on certain political leanings.

Research tends to validate his view. In general right-wing views tend to be held by people with lower educational attainment and lower natural intellectual ability who crave simple (infantile) answers in a complex world.

The fact that I also happen to agree with that view is neither here nor there

 

[fettoken]

I didn't quote a proverb.

If that doesn't qualify as a proverb, i don't know what would. But yes, i do agree from a personal standpoint.

 

[Scouse]

If that doesn't qualify as a proverb, i don't know what would.

Proverbs are nice sounding mystical guff with no actual basis in fact.

 

[Ctuchik]

We are looking at a west utterly fragmented by its own actions.

Yes we are, but how the fuck do people like you that are clearly just making it worse help in any way?

 

[fettoken]

Proverbs are nice sounding mystical guff with no actual basis in fact.

*is too lazy to correlate ancient greek/roman proverb with todays proven standard*

 

[Scouse]

*is too lazy to correlate ancient greek/roman proverb with todays proven standard*

Spoiler

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F42fuVVL62E

 

[Bodhi]

Strange how nationalism is such a dirty word until the Scots or the Californians do it, then it's looked on as progressive.

Maybe because it's left leaning nationalism. Nationalist Socialism.

That could catch on you know.

 

[Embattle]

Greece should just default, they'll never manage to get out of the current crisis and just delay the inevitable because it suits other countries to keep it going as long as possible.

 

[Raven]

Greece defaulting would just speed up them becoming a vassal state to Germany, I imagine they will hold out to the last.

 

[Job]

Germany cannot be seen to destroy Greece, this could run for years until the IMF folds.

 

[Job]

EU citizens in the UK..the Polish sure love it here.

Visualizations Related to EU Citizens in the UK

 

[Scouse]

Strange how nationalism is such a dirty word until the Scots or the Californians

Rubbish. The SNP is idiocy. Who here backs em?

 

[Scouse]

EU citizens in the UK..the Polish sure love it here.

Visualizations Related to EU Citizens in the UK

Look at the scale - 0-500k.

It's just not that big a deal with 65million Brits...

 

[TdC]

but Scouse, it would be un-Joblike of Job to let a few measly facts get in the way of what he wants to believe. he did the same thing with the Syrian refugees.

 

[Job]

I was merely pointing out that Polish are by far the biggest amount.
850,000 in 2014, quite a lot by any standards.

 

[Job]

but Scouse, it would be un-Joblike of Job to let a few measly facts get in the way of what he wants to believe. he did the same thing with the Syrian refugees.

What exactly do I want to believe?
I post the facts and then you accuse me of thinking it's an invasion.