Shadowblades need love

[[SS]Gamblor]

it's not the class which is crap, it's the players .

says the fotm Spammer :touch:

 

[Mithryn]

Once again all the bs...

(And 2.5 spec points makes very little difference in spec options - hell a NS can spec better with 2.2 than an infil with 2.5)

I would love to know how this superior brain of yours managed to come to this conclusion.

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

Short answer is utility and base damage cap.

At 51 effective spec (weapon spec plus SC'ing plus RRs) the base damage stops increasing, only the style damage increases.

Now both NS & infil should go for their most suitable line (pierce and thrust) for weapon, but rely on the line with the best growth rates (critical strike). This means at RR5 both NS and infil can stop speccing weapon. At this point then the NS gets an off evade stun style (DB 5 sec stun). The infil gets no stun, but will have higher DW. Alternatively the infil can take weapon to 50 for the same stun style, but all those additional points are wasted for damage purposes. in this scenario the NS has both stun and higher DW - oh and insta dds.

The only downside to the NS in the low starting con - it can do everything else as well as or better than the infil.

Don't get confused by spec points. More spec points does not equal better class.

 

[Huntingtons]

what if they now go slash/blades? ;o

some might consider something else than cookiecutter >_<

 

[Dorin]

...

dualshadows as anytime (K only front position, but i guess if he tries to hit, he wil lbe in front of yo) in 1vs1 >>> all

u forgot to mention that

 

[Alhanna]

I find one on one I die 50/50 to a SB of equal or higher RR. NS I tend to win more unless its VodkaFairy.

Had a fight yesterday with an SB at Beno bridge. I think it was 1 each for us in a one on one fight. Other times it is unfair due to adds both sides. I mean to say I died quickly to two hibs yesterday at Beno and then I killed someone very quickly at Beno only to find an arrow in is back, turned round to see a scout in the distance.

But anyway the difference is also Player plus items. I would be happy to duel an SB to compare. (hopefully not to the death)

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

dualshadows as anytime (K only front position, but i guess if he tries to hit, he wil lbe in front of yo) in 1vs1 >>> all

u forgot to mention that

DS .80 growth rate (from memory here). Front positional.

Garrote/achilles chain 0.75/0.90 (again from memory). Anytime/chain. Movement reduction/attack speed reduction.

I'll take the second option - it also includes far more utility with the hamstring chain, plus nice big PA damage.

 

[Runolas]

I find one on one I die 50/50 to a SB of equal or higher RR. NS I tend to win more unless its VodkaFairy.

Had a fight yesterday with an SB at Beno bridge. I think it was 1 each for us in a one on one fight. Other times it is unfair due to adds both sides. I mean to say I died quickly to two hibs yesterday at Beno and then I killed someone very quickly at Beno only to find an arrow in is back, turned round to see a scout in the distance.

But anyway the difference is also Player plus items. I would be happy to duel an SB to compare. (hopefully not to the death)

I think it was me. I walked into your DoTmine and got side the Tower were we had a nice 1 vs 1. Even with the DoTmine I won, but that's probably cuz both my Malice and Traitor procced I belive. Then later it was you + an add.

I'm doing my own thing, and as far as I know there are none specced like me on Excalibur. I'm still Axe using Malice+Traitor combo and it works for me - could be that Heaters are even better, but why change somthing that works. I've won many 1 vs 1 against Inf/NS of equal RR in NF. I've also had a nice figth 1 vs 1 with Mallus in Odin's gate 2 days ago - won that too.

I would say that the problem with the assassin classes balance is occours with high RR INF/NS vs High RR SB. I really dunno how Jox or the RR8+ SB are doing 1 vs 1 against the heaviest of the heavy Inf's like Wittor, Forb etc, but for me it's always auto /rel. There are some Inf's and probabaly NS out there that does far much more dmg than the average INF/NS. I remember Wittor/Forb hitting me for 450 mainhand + 200 offhand. You will NEVER se any egually high RR SB do anywere near that amount of dmg. The combination of slash vs leather (spirit) + Purgeing the debuff + MoP4-5 probably gives some clue I guess. Then ofc there is the AFbuff for Albs.

I do belive that SB needs a boost in preformance, but the main problem in NF imho is the insanly overpowered high RR/Toa'ed/ML9SJ Scouts and Minstrel's that's taking the piss.

 

[Tiki]

Now both NS & infil should go for their most suitable line (pierce and thrust) for weapon

Whats wrong with the infil slash setup? Forb is/was "easily" the hardest infil ive ever met and he was slash using the battler/mallice setup

I think your wrong to suggest that an infils alpha spec is thrust, is it really that hard to think outside of the stun I win box?

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

Whats wrong with the infil slash setup? Forb is/was "easily" the hardest infil ive ever met and he was slash using the battler/mallice setup

I think your wrong to suggest that an infils alpha spec is thrust, is it really that hard to think outside of the stun I win box?

CS style have better growth rates and effects than slash.

Slash has a 10% vuln on mid leather, but hib leather is resistant.

Slash is pure str so suffers full effects of debuf.

No stun style option in slash.

Thrust users no longer have to worry about vuln/resist to thrust damage - carry a couple of elementals and you've got a vuln on everything.

Nowt wrong with slash - thrust is just better now.

 

[Bompido]

best bow damage, says who?
best range, you mean that extra 100 range (+10) ?

WOW.

Slower bow = more dmg. and albion has the slowest bow.
so i say they have best bow dmg.

but this was about sb's right right?

 

[wittor]

baby baby

 

[Ging]

baby baby

elo gheyboi uke:

 

[Aussie]

Slower bow = more dmg. and albion has the slowest bow.
so i say they have best bow dmg.

but this was about sb's right right?

OH REALLY?

Hibs got alooooooot more slower bows then albion, afaik EVERY bow in hib is slower except the 2 artifact bows.

 

[Vodkafairy]

OH REALLY?

Hibs got alooooooot more slower bows then albion, afaik EVERY bow in hib is slower except the 2 artifact bows.

shame the artifact bows are also the best ones

 

[Vodkafairy]

btw CS styles don't have any useful effects. only proper styles are garrote (snare) and achilles heel (bugged haste debuff breaking on hits, iirc).. which you can still get with an infil even if dw specced

offhand hits with lower gr > style dmg with few offhand hits. offhand hits WITH high dmg anytime > all

not going to get into the same discussion again (for real), because i know im right i did the calculations and also have a lot more experience than smilewhenyousaythat. but he can live in his own little world of incomplete tests and "facts"

 

[wittor]

btw why are we talking again about this ? dident we discussed this like 1000 times in the past

 

[MKJ]

Buffs?

Surely you are all missing the point - buffs.

Alb get increased armour protection and hibs get uber haste. Wot the hell does an sb get? - damage add that lifts after 10 mins.

So? Wot are you basing these tests etc on? All the stealther classes being buffed? Yup so there really is the problem - buffing. Remove the buffs and see how the duels go. I bet things will be a hell offa lot closer then. Even so SBs damage is bloody terrible full stop but the buffing ontop just adds insult to injury for sure. Along with being weak to slash based weapons tis a bloody joke. Am just glad I found a way to kick every inf's arse in Thid using rediculous tactics . At least there their over-confidence is shoved down their overpowered throats :touch: .

MKJ = Thugs

Edit oops - clicked on Excal by mistake!

 

[wittor]

^
u had end regen xD

 

[censi]

Hibs got alooooooot more slower bows then albion, afaik EVERY bow in hib is slower except the 2 artifact bows.

do you want to put money on that. Hib have a handful of shitty bows which are slower. Albion generally have the slowest bows. I would lay money if we did a comparision Albion would have more slower bows. (not that it makes much odds) But yes the speed of the artifact bows is the key thing as these are the best (all bar ml10 and possibly falcon talon)

 

[majik]

Give shadowblades access to sojourner line, should even things out.

 

[Kagato]

Or remove sojourner completely and solve the archer problem at the same time.

 

[censi]

hold your tongue!

 

[[HB]Jpeg]

do you want to put money on that. Hib have a handful of shitty bows which are slower. Albion generally have the slowest bows. I would lay money if we did a comparision Albion would have more slower bows. (not that it makes much odds) But yes the speed of the artifact bows is the key thing as these are the best (all bar ml10 and possibly falcon talon)

unless im mistaken the main slow weapon of choice in alb is Immoltated bow . which HIBS have the same speed.... and mids have a faster version of it?

lots of factors nowadays going for bow speed wether it be buffs.. %bow speed .. sc .. and the bow itself. so imo bow speeds on the actual bow nowdays is not to important. i personally use immolated for non shield/casters classes and a v fast bow for caster classes

 

[Leel]

Most scouts seem to use braggarts really, for the extra 5% range arrows so they can can just hit you outside of face range. They really should nerf those arrows so you can't get more than 10% toa bonus combined.

 

[Calo]

Or remove sojourner completely and solve the archer problem at the same time.

why u need to nerf skalds

 

[Kinad]

The problem is not the sojourner line, its MoS.

Before NF most high rr sojourner scouts vs assasins was quite even, but with
MoS scouts atm has upper hand. Its as allways untested combinations which brings imbalance.

Another problem is 99 % of all players configure their char as they think is good, not what the game/patches demands. That being said its obvious
sbs performs under against other assasins because of str debuff.

 

[censi]

high RR/ML and MOS4-5 scouts have to be laughing, tbh

versus other archers you can slam (and land alot) then crit shot then FZ and your opponent is dead. Even if the archer gets snipe jump on you your immune cuz of those fooking shields.

Versus assasin slam is gonna be unreliable but you can FZ and snipe which will take him down to at least 50% and after that it will be an interesting fight depending on loads of other factors, but the scout has a good chance with his other RA's. and thats just V assasin that gets jump on you!

and ofc you dont have the joy of having to fight mincers

Low RR and lower ml scouts are still big time gimps in melee.

 

[karpathus]

:eek2:

:eek2: :eek2:

 

[Trylle^nzi]

best bow damage, says who?
best range, you mean that extra 100 range (+10) ?

WOW.

Says Mythic by giving Albion slower bows than other 2 realms.

The +range might not look as much on the paper, but fact is that it feels like much ingame.

WoW - yea it rox more than DAoC, I agree

(before you make another post telling me I'm a retard: Yes! I do realize you mean "wow" and not the game World of Warcraft)