Politics Scottish Independance?

[Scouse]

Scotland would be required to join the Euro as a new accession state

Scotland would be required would they?

I.E. They could have their "independence" but not really as they have to join another disaster instead?

I love all this freedom of self determination that democracy has given us :|

 

[DaGaffer]

Scotland would be required would they?

I.E. They could have their "independence" but not really as they have to join another disaster instead?

I love all this freedom of self determination that democracy has given us :|

Only if they wanted to be in the EU. They could always take the Norway option.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Nah, difference is that you're a long-term member of FH, and you're in the 'social elite' of Freddys, it's a bit like you're sexually molesting children in Eton, because you're in the higher years, and they accept it and get on with it, but I'm a 'no-name' or a 'nobody' can't remember which term was used.

What utter bollocks. I've been here a long time, yes, but I'm hated by a lot of members.

 

[Everz]

Yea, Wazz is a cunt. x

 

[Deebs]

Yea, Wazz is a cunt. x

QFT.

 

[Scouse]

With massive AIDS

 

[Wij]

Filled with it tbh.

 

[SilverHood]

Only if they wanted to be in the EU. They could always take the Norway option.

The Norway option relies on massive exploitation of resources and will eventually lead to "dutch disease". It's not viable long term unless backed up by a massive sovereign wealth fund or knowledge that there's plenty of oil and gas still to be had. Scotland has neither. That said, the euro wouldn't be a bad shout. Its relative weakness compared to the pound would allow for plenty of exports to the south of the border and the rest of the world. Of course, of that's the only reason you're joining, you might as well form your own currency.

The main problem the UK has is its centralisation of decision making in Westminster, leading to massive inefficiencies across all public sectors. There's little accountability because everything is being run from London, and if someone screws up, they get shuffled sideways on the musical chairs.

I hope Scotland goes for independence, and gets it. If it's run better than the UK (not hard), they will easily be able to survive on their own.

 

[DaGaffer]

The Norway option relies on massive exploitation of resources and will eventually lead to "dutch disease". It's not viable long term unless backed up by a massive sovereign wealth fund or knowledge that there's plenty of oil and gas still to be had. Scotland has neither. That said, the euro wouldn't be a bad shout. Its relative weakness compared to the pound would allow for plenty of exports to the south of the border and the rest of the world. Of course, of that's the only reason you're joining, you might as well form your own currency.

The main problem the UK has is its centralisation of decision making in Westminster, leading to massive inefficiencies across all public sectors. There's little accountability because everything is being run from London, and if someone screws up, they get shuffled sideways on the musical chairs.

I hope Scotland goes for independence, and gets it. If it's run better than the UK (not hard), they will easily be able to survive on their own.

I wasn't actually being serious about the Norway option; but its important to note the alternative (EU membership) does come with the requirement to join the Eurozone as well. NB. The pound is weak against the Euro, not the other way around; that's why prices are starting to spiral in the UK; but a bit of inflation is better than going bankrupt because you find yourself pegged to Germany's currency needs rather than your own.

I do find it amusing that you think Holyrood could manage its affairs more efficiently than Westminster; there's literally no evidence that would be the case, and quite a lot pointing in the other direction; Scotland's prediliction for high public spending relative to the rest of the UK for a start, and a historic penchant for left-leaning politics, and Salmond has always aspired for a Scotland modelled on Scandinavian lines, which sounds all IKEA and lovely, but is fucking expensive to pull off, and which would have collapsed by now if Sweden and Denmark had been in the Eurozone. Also don't forget the political elite that have run Westminster as inefficiently as you believe over the years have had a strong over-representation of Scots anyway.

 

[Job]

Never happen, most don't want it..slight hiccup in a vote.

 

[old.user4556]

GIVE ME A FUCKEN' BISCUIT

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/News/Po...nce-comments-deliver-blow-to-biggest-fan.html

 

[Shagrat]

Well if the man behind tunnock biscuits is against it then its never going to work....what an odd news story.

 

[old.user4556]

So, in the Scottish council elections, 402 nationalist councillors were voted in versus 737 non-nationalist councillors (although, the SNP ended up with the most). If you use that as a yard stick to gauge independence then it's rather humiliating for the SNP. Additionally, Scotland's biggest city rejected the SNP in favour of Labour.

 

[Litmus]

Let them have it imo, build a big wall and watch them crash.

 

[old.user4556]

But we don't want it, I think those looking in on Scotland think we want to break away from the UK, but nothing could be more further than the truth.

 

[MrHorus]

So, in the Scottish council elections, 402 nationalist councillors were voted in versus 737 non-nationalist councillors (although, the SNP ended up with the most). If you use that as a yard stick to gauge independence then it's rather humiliating for the SNP. Additionally, Scotland's biggest city rejected the SNP in favour of Labour.

That was never really going to happen, was it?

In Glasgow of all places?

If Glasgow had fallen to the SNP then it really would have been major news.

 

[MrHorus]

But we don't want it, I think those looking in on Scotland think we want to break away from the UK, but nothing could be more further than the truth.

I think that depends who you ask.

Scotland is just as full of Little Scotlanders as England is with Little Englanders.

I know far too many people who buy Alex Salmond's independence bullshit without thinking of the bigger picture. One major sticking point for me is that the SNP is opposed as a party to joining NATO.

I mean really, for a country rich in oil and renewable energy NOT to be a part of NATO in the 21st century is fucking suicide however you look at it.

 

[Wij]

Salmond's a twat but he runs rings round Cameron and Miliband.

 

[Hawkwind]

Spent Thursday night in Dubliners (Dubai pub) watching a Celtic game and winding up a bunch of Agreko workers from Afghanistan, fucking hilarious. Told them England had plans for toll systems on all the roads and flights and the believed me.

Honestly don't give shit, personally think the whole thing is farcical. Although, if it does go through then we better remove all the MOD sites back down south and dissolve all the Scottish regiments, offices, everything! Unless Salmond is willing to stump up the money it costs. That should be wee bit more than hundred thousand jobs to their unemployment figures. Also sell every bit of MOD property to pay for the base upgrades in England/Wales.

 

[Jeros]

The Edinburgh lot seem to be against it for the most part

 

[Tom]

Salmond's a twat but he runs rings round Cameron and Miliband.

Not many though, he's too fat.

 

[MrHorus]

The Edinburgh lot seem to be against it for the most part

That's because you need to be a blithering idiot to be for it.

 

[Scouse]

nothing could be more further than the truth.

Well. You can stay - but only if you brush up on your language skills.

 

[old.user4556]

Blame the iPad. Autocorrect and an apathy to go back and correct typos .

 

[Job]

Considering the entire housing stock of Scotland seems to be council houses, how the fuck are they going to pay their welfare bill?

 

[old.user4556]

Fuck off Job.

 

[throdgrain]

The Scottish welfare bill would indeed be huge though. There seems to be a whole creed in that country (present company excepted of course ) that just wants something for nothing all the time.

You can see why they think they have a natural alliance with France

 

[Job]

Fuck off all you like, it's true.

 

[Raven]

What worries me more is that Job has the right to vote.

 

[rynnor]

There seems to be a whole creed in that country (present company excepted of course ) that just wants something for nothing all the time.

Its exactly the same in the rest of the UK and from the same cause - the Welfare State.