Politics Scottish Independance?

[Tom]

Yeah but why do they have a say in our Government, and we don't have a say in theirs? - Maybe they're using more money than they should be, where it could be used in other places, OR Scotland makes their own money, and spends their own money, Same for England etc

There's no such thing as an English government.

 

[Tom]

But why are we giving more money to the other countries than they contribute to it? - Basically, they could all be full time toe nail cutters and still get lots of monehs.

London generates most of the country's wealth. Maybe England's regions should be countries in their own right, after all, why should Londoners pay for those twats in Manchester?

 

[old.user4556]

I'm guessing this is Gwadien since I have him on ignore, I knew it was impossible for this thread not to decend into this usual pish.

Rah rah uni fees, rah rah the south east.

 

[Gwadien]

London generates most of the country's wealth. Maybe England's regions should be countries in their own right, after all, why should Londoners pay for those twats in Manchester?

No, because Mancs feel that they belong to Britain.
Scottish people clearly have a feeling of being Scottish (Hence why SNP is in power), not British.

There's no such thing as an English government.

If Scotland, Wales, and NI have their own Government, why should England have their own government? - Would it be seen as oppression or some other bullshit?

Oh, and the reason that Big G has me on ignore for those that didn't know, I was being immature and posting 'I never knew Scotland had x-y-z' obviously tongue in cheek, he took it to heart.

 

[Job]

My stepdad was a Scottish Islander, just can't get on with Scots, if you drive up there it just appears to be one huge council estate.
The poor fucking hate the English, the rich ARE the English.
Most rascist people in UK by a mile, my dads brothers wouldn't talk to my MIXED RACE girlfriend, they are like aggressive country bumpkins, sort of like Yorkshire people, but you can't understand what they're saying.

 

[Gwadien]

Would be cool if people could air their own opinions on this matter, Scottish or not.. I have my opnions, which have been said, I just have a general feeling as of a Union, Scotland has a pretty sweet deal, and it's like we've got a cake out that they're scoffing down, whilst in between chews glaring up as us like we fucking hate you. the Welsh don't seem to generally complain, hence why I don't have quite a feeling against the Welsh (I know north-south stuff, but that's another subject.)

 

[soze]

I go to Scotland regularly and a lot of my family are unemployed living in Broomhouse Edingurgh. When they have had a few they always go into wishing the English would stay out of Scottish business. I am tempted to ask where they think the benefit money will come from if they seperate, I won't though in case i get stabbed

I sound like an arse so wan't to point out I love them to bits still

 

[Gwadien]

I go to Scotland regularly and a lot of my family are unemployed living in Broomhouse Edingurgh. When they have had a few they always go into wishing the English would stay out of Scottish business. I am tempted to ask where they think the benefit money will come from if they seperate, I won't though in case i get stabbed

I sound like an arse so wan't to point out I love them to bits still

Very good point, would be interesting what route they would take if they decided to get independence, I would if the NHS would stay, welfare state would stay, or they'd Americanise?

 

[old.user4556]

My stepdad was a Scottish Islander, just can't get on with Scots, if you drive up there it just appears to be one huge council estate.
The poor fucking hate the English, the rich ARE the English.
Most rascist people in UK by a mile, my dads brothers wouldn't talk to my MIXED RACE girlfriend, they are like aggressive country bumpkins, sort of like Yorkshire people, but you can't understand what they're saying.

A massive sweeping generalisation based on the experience of meeting a handful of utter wankers?

Job, every time you post, you sound badly educated. I feel sorry for you .

I go to Scotland regularly and a lot of my family are unemployed living in Broomhouse Edingurgh. When they have had a few they always go into wishing the English would stay out of Scottish business. I am tempted to ask where they think the benefit money will come from if they seperate, I won't though in case i get stabbed

I sound like an arse so wan't to point out I love them to bits still

Broomhouse has to be the worst shitehole the planet has ever seen.

To both of you, your opinions are based on people who are cunts, not because they are Scottish. There are cunts all over the UK. England is rammed full of cunts. Wales is rammed full of cunts. Scotland is rammed full of cunts.

Can we keep this thread on topic please and avoid anecdotal stereotypes. I had feared (as I said in my OP) that this thread would descend into a Scotland bash.

 

[Gwadien]

It is on topic, it's people airing their opinions on it all, and some saying bon voyage.

then again, you've blocked me, so I'm gonna ninja change the subject, and you'll never know what hit you.

So, Nelson Mandela, freedom fighter, or terrorist?

 

[soze]

Sorry I did not mean to insinuate all Scotts where the same.

 

[Wij]

So, Nelson Mandela, freedom fighter, or terrorist?

Fighter, for your sister's minge.

 

[Gwadien]

Fighter, for your sister's minge.

I Haven't a sister bro, sorry

 

[Scouse]

As long as they keep the pound it doesn't matter a jot what sort of government they have and who appears to rule 'em.

Not. One. Bit.

 

[Wij]

Please substitute the closest relative you have.

 

[Gwadien]

Please substitute the closest relative you have.

Can have a go at my rabbit?

 

[Wij]

Can we try mother?

 

[Gwadien]

Can we try mother?

Nah mate, she hasn't got a phone

 

[Wij]

Phones are not necessary for hot, freedom-fighting cock to fill your mother with beautiful half-siblings.

 

[Gwadien]

Phones are not necessary for hot, freedom-fighting cock to fill your mother with beautiful half-siblings.

Full love for the Wij.

 

[TdC]

pretending to be capable of filling things again Wij? hmmm!

 

[Wij]

pretending to be capable of filling things again Wij? hmmm!

Not me no. My frazzled stump can do nothing.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Oh, and the reason that Big G has me on ignore for those that didn't know, I was being immature and posting 'I never knew Scotland had x-y-z' obviously tongue in cheek, he took it to heart.

Probably because it was inappropriate given the context. I know G isn't too touchy regarding banter - I've thrown many a playful Scot jibe in his direction and he's always taken it well. That's probably because I do it at the right time, not during a fairly sensible discussion about nationalism.

If we were talking about trouble in Pakistan and I said something like "I didn't realise they didn't have houses made of sand!" it's obvious I'm being stupid but it's also obvious it's fucking inappropriate and makes you come across like a bit of a twat.

 

[kiliarien]

I'll try (and possibly fail) to steer things back on track.

From my humble perspective as someone living in England for 30-odd years of his life and now in Wales for almost the last 2 years I totally agree with national identity but the commonality that those people of the UK share is still very strong; I've only visited Scotland a couple of times (and only to Edinburgh so my outlook there is limited) but found everyone nice & fine with no 'anti-english' sentiments. In Wales, there's a lot of banter, especially as I live in a Welsh-speaking community but again the ties to England are apparent and it's all in good jest. I would be saddened at the idea of the UK breaking up because as has been mentioned all the home nations have stood side-by-side in wars etc.

Sentiments aside, a nation starting out on its own in Europe would be hard work and would quickly get sidelined - maybe Salmond thinks the CAP will bolster up farming; I doubt it will. North Sea oil isn't owned by Scot companies and as somebody said earlier (sorry to whomever it was, cba to scroll, it's too late at night!) companies would register elsewhere to avoid heavy taxation should it be imposed. There are many, many more questions to be asked. What worries me more is the concept of Devo-Max on the table - politics is fucking boring and complicated as it is, this would complicate matters even further and spend more taxpayers' money in MP/SMP/WAM time sorting it out as it might allow those in charge of fiscal budgets in Wales/Scotland vote on UK-wide issues......or would they not be allowed to vote?? It's also interesting that Devo-Max only works for Scotland & Wales, not England which just makes the whole procedure even more silly. Hence why I think Cameron wants a yes/no vote (and I'm not a Tory soapboxer here btw).

Let's see where it all goes to, but I'd like us to stay as a Union imo, just because I like the mix of us home nations, banter maybe, but generally friends nonetheless.

 

[Gwadien]

Probably because it was inappropriate given the context. I know G isn't too touchy regarding banter - I've thrown many a playful Scot jibe in his direction and he's always taken it well. That's probably because I do it at the right time, not during a fairly sensible discussion about nationalism.

If we were talking about trouble in Pakistan and I said something like "I didn't realise they didn't have houses made of sand!" it's obvious I'm being stupid but it's also obvious it's fucking inappropriate and makes you come across like a bit of a twat.

Nah, difference is that you're a long-term member of FH, and you're in the 'social elite' of Freddys, it's a bit like you're sexually molesting children in Eton, because you're in the higher years, and they accept it and get on with it, but I'm a 'no-name' or a 'nobody' can't remember which term was used.

 

[Deebs]

Nah, difference is that you're a long-term member of FH, and you're in the 'social elite' of Freddys, it's a bit like you're sexually molesting children in Eton, because you're in the higher years, and they accept it and get on with it, but I'm a 'no-name' or a 'nobody' can't remember which term was used.

Utter crap. There is a time and a place for banter etc.

 

[rynnor]

As long as they keep the pound it doesn't matter a jot what sort of government they have and who appears to rule 'em.

Not. One. Bit.

They couldn't get independance and keep Sterling though - it would have to be the Scottish Pound issues by RBS and the Bank of Scotland. Picture of Salmond on the £20 note

 

[Scouse]

Lol

Exactly my point though. They'd get their "independence" and keep sterling. So, they won't actually be independent...

 

[Job]

I've travelled extensively in Scotland, to all the little towns and the big cities, met the estate ragasses and the gentry, my mother was a Stevenson, she was the great niece of Drew Stevenson who started the Edinburgh woollen mill, so I've been up there with all the toffs.
Every single last one of them resented the English, unless they were English themselves, embedded rascism and bigotry, generalisations pull in everyone, but on the whole it's true.
There I've said it.

 

[DaGaffer]

Lol

Exactly my point though. They'd get their "independence" and keep sterling. So, they won't actually be independent...

Not if they wanted independent membership of the EU they wouldn't. There was an interesting article in the Grauniad yesterday about this and the upshot was that although there's no precedent for it (the Czech split would be the nearest but it was before the Euro), legal opinion is that Scotland would be required to join the Euro as a new accession state; they wouldn't simply be able to take the UK's opt-out as a given. I'm sure they'd try, but they'd have little or no leverage against the EU to do it (quite the reverse), and the rump-UK would have no incentive to let Scotland stay tied to Sterling. Of course the Euro could have gone the way of the dodo by 2014, but if it hasn't...