Politics Scottish Independance.....Thoughts?

[Bodhi]

Patronising much?

I'll trump your pathetic personal insults and ascend to the higher ground by not responding in a equally pathetic way.

But no, I disagree completely, it's completely about Left/Right wing politics along with it's economical effects, if G feels that he'll be secure in a Independent Scotland, but he feels like there can be a Government that is more representative to him than a Government in Westminster, why not vote Yes?

You're not exactly going to vote Yes if you're a small business owner and wants to see what the Tories can offer in helping your business succeed.

When the Labour party grew in power, the Torys even back then were worried about the world ending, because that we'd turn into a Bolshevik nation, and we're better because of it, maybe it's the same case with independence for Scotland, maybe it's independence with a small i, and really it'll be a major shake up of British politics.

I will ignore your complaints about personal attacks, as if you look at the post I was replying to, you actually started them. However, I cannot let your last point lie.

What, precisely is better after 13 years of Labour rule, compared to the situation in 1997?

National deficit? Er, no.
Uncontrolled immigration? OK, next.
General ill feeling towards the UK with the illegal wars we got involved in? Damn, this isn't going well.
Bloated ineffecient public sector we can no longer afford? That improved! I'd probably rather it hadn't though.
General feeling of entitlement in those too lazy to work for a living. Aye I'll quit whilst I was ahead.

Basically, half the problems that this vote is a protest to, were not really an issue before Bliar and Brown got involved. As both were originally from Scotland, helped into power by a strongly Labour voting Scotland, just makes me think that if they vote Yes to this "fairer society", they'll be broke within about 5 years.

 

[Gwadien]

I will ignore your complaints about personal attacks, as if you look at the post I was replying to, you actually started them. However, I cannot let your last point lie.

What, precisely is better after 13 years of Labour rule, compared to the situation in 1997?

National deficit? Er, no.
Uncontrolled immigration? OK, next.
General ill feeling towards the UK with the illegal wars we got involved in? Damn, this isn't going well.
Bloated ineffecient public sector we can no longer afford? That improved! I'd probably rather it hadn't though.
General feeling of entitlement in those too lazy to work for a living. Aye I'll quit whilst I was ahead.

Basically, half the problems that this vote is a protest to, were not really an issue before Bliar and Brown got involved. As both were originally from Scotland, helped into power by a strongly Labour voting Scotland, just makes me think that if they vote Yes to this "fairer society", they'll be broke within about 5 years.

I started the personal attacks by calling you a Tory? big wewt, I think this post gives some evidence to my furious scathing personal attack

Because I wasn't even referring to 1997 Labour, I was referring to 1924 Labour, because the Conservatives are clearly a bit worried about the knock on a effect such a close socialist country may have on their new democratic absolute rule, maybe people will wake up and smell the fire, thinking; 'actually hang on, UKIP aren't right, it's not the immigrants fault, maybe we can do something about the wealth inequality, and do a bit more for our people.'

In that respect, I think English people are a bit more worried that a Independent Socialist Scotland will work, rather than fail, because it may actually effect their lives more than they think, especially politically.

I'm not being naive, I completely understand that Scotland will have a rough 10 years or so, but I don't think they'll fall into a deep hole that they'll never get out of, I just think they'll have to look at nations that have a similar situation to them, and see how they do it, whether you see those countries as failures or not, that's up to you, but I certainly do not.

 

[Corran]

Rough 10 years or so? SNP have doubled all oil estimates in order to make their budget look sustainable and banking on it staying high for many decades when it more likely to decrease as better energy methods come into use. As is every year the oil estimates have been overstated, and then the SNP basically double these already regularly overstated oil levels puts me off right away on trusting them.

Scotland will likely be fucked if this goes through, made my vote and with luck it will win. But to be honest this could drag on for a long time if the results get appealed due to ineligable voting being counted (ie under 16s being registered). I know that if a YES vote goes through I be tempted to put in an official complaint about illegal voting patterns. Wouldn't change the result however they need to investigate it (tbh they need to do it no matter result), and take action against all those involved in illegally registering votes.

 

[Gwadien]

I wonder if it gets really really close, and then people start asking questions about who was eligible like, if Scottish soldiers abroad could've made a difference etc, would they do a re-vote?

 

[Corran]

They say there will be no recounts etc in the case of a close vote... but if it is very close and there is evidence of illegal voting then there will need to be an investigation and the possibility of the vote being voided if say they find 10000 illegal votes and a difference of just 7000 votes in result (ie the votes possibly changed the result)

 

[Olgaline]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YkLPxQp_y0#t=453

 

[Scouse]

Whilst I admire your optimism G, you have sadly fallen quite far in my estimation by going for the "stick it to the man" approach. It's only because you were so high in my estimation in the first place that there isn't more swearing in this post.

Bit pathetic really. So, he doesn't agree with your politics so you lose respect for him?

No vote = tory vote = vote for no change and the status quo.
Yes vote = socialist vote = vote for change.

It all depends on which side of the fence you come down on. Simple as that.

 

[Scouse]

Sorry if you haven't gained enough life experience yet to see this transcends party politics, maybe when you get into the real world you'll see my point.

Lol. Even more condescending than me!

Fact is this IS party politics. All the main parties are towing the standard economic line (which is why we have voter apathy - it just ain't worth voting because there's nothing different to vote for). SNP, despite being a bit odious, are the change vote.

Simple.

And facepalm all you like @Embattle - that's effectively what's being decided up there...

Both sides have lied (a lot), but hey, that's politicians for you. Problem is that the consequences of the Yes lies are far more potentially damaging to the Scots than the consequences of the No lies.

The Yes vote is also potentially more beneficial. It's just you don't know whether it's going to do more harm, no difference or do good...

At least there's a chance for change with a yes vote, as opposed to no chance for change with a no...

 

[Scouse]

I let the frustration of not being allowed a say in the future of my country get the better of me.

It ain't your country. You don't live there and if you loved it so much you would eh?

You have to live there to have a vote, just like I have to be poor if I want to support the poor...

 

[Bodhi]

It ain't your country. You don't live there and if you loved it so much you would eh?

You have to live there to have a vote, just like I have to be poor if I want to support the poor...

When I was referring to my country I meant Britain? Or do you not think Scotland leaving and asking those remaining in the UK to pay for it all is worth consulting the rest of the UK over? Because I'm not really picking up much appetite to give iScotland an easy ride.

All this talk of a vote for change concerns me as well. You see this is a referendum, not an election. Protest votes in elections work because if it doesn't work there will be another in 5 years. With this there is no going back, that's it. If it doesn't work I doubt Scotland would be accepted back after some of the comments during the debate.

 

[Scouse]

When I was referring to my country I meant Britain? Or do you not think Scotland leaving and asking those remaining in the UK to pay for it all is worth consulting the rest of the UK over?

Look at this way: If your wife wants a divorce and you don't give it to her then you're a cunt.

If the scottish want to go and we won't let them, we're cunts...


We don't live there, why the fuck should we tell them how to live?

 

[Bodhi]

Look at this way: If your wife wants a divorce and you don't give it to her then you're a cunt.

If the scottish want to go and we won't let them, we're cunts...


We don't live there, why the fuck should we tell them how to live?

Because we'll be paying for it?

 

[Yoni]

Who could vote? Born in Scotland? Scottish parents? Living in scotland? I'm asking because I got to vote in Sweden last week but because I've not converted my citizenship yet I could only vote in the local elections not the general.... Perfectly understandable.

 

[Scouse]

Because we'll be paying for it?

How? They'll have their own economy...

 

[Raven]

Based on a foreign currency that they have absolutely no control over.

 

[Raven]

Look at this way: If your wife wants a divorce and you don't give it to her then you're a cunt.

If the scottish want to go and we won't let them, we're cunts...


We don't live there, why the fuck should we tell them how to live?

Or another way with your rather daft analogy.

You get a divorce and share a bank account.

 

[Scouse]

And facepalm all you like @Embattle.

Lol! I didn't mean it literally

 

[Scouse]

You get a divorce and share a bank account.

Clean break.

IMO they should start their own currency tbh.

 

[Embattle]

Or another way with your rather daft analogy.

You get a divorce and share a bank account.

They so aren't going to share the currency if they go for divorce, the government risks getting lynched down here if they went back on what they said.

The Union will be very complicated and complex to undo that it'll take quite some time any way, it is probably the main reason no Westminster party really wants to have to deal with it on their watch since it'll just consume too much time.

 

[Lamp]

Didn't wear my top hat today. Was very warm in London. I did spend 4 hours waxing my moustache and watching the penny farthings in Hyde Park.

 

[BloodOmen]

IMO they should start their own currency tbh.

yea because that wouldn't take years to get off the ground or anything

 

[old.user4556]

Some light comedy to lighten mood


View: http://youtu.be/TQy_bfjy9l4

 

[Lamp]

IMO the least we hear from Nicola Sturgeon the better. That pontificating harridan. Whatever result shuts her up suits me.

 

[Scouse]

yea because that wouldn't take years to get off the ground or anything

Of course it would take a few years. They'd have to setup a central bank, start printing money and then distribute it. Just like the decoupling of our economies would take a few years.

Some light comedy to lighten mood

I did notice that Sean won't be coming back to vote tho...

 

[Corran]

We wont have a few years. In event of a yes vote it all has to be sorted in 2yrs. Considering how all the negotiations havent even begun i cant see that happening effectively. Especially the EU issue.

All this should been done BEFORE a vote. So we know what we voted on. Scouse, would you give up your entire livelyhood on a small chance of things being slightly better? As that effectively what they asking us to vote on. Even if we take the 3 options you imply (Worse, Same, Better) ... that only a 1 in 3 chance of it working out (i put the odds much lower tbh), dont know anyone that would happily risk everything with no idea what they get in return outside of this stupid vote.

 

[Job]

Murray's taking some serious shit for backing yes...this is getting very nasty and either way Scotland's name is in the shit at the moment.

 

[Raven]

He has always been a nationalist, he had to tone it down when he started getting good because being an ignorant twat is bad for the sponsors.

 

[BloodOmen]

He has always been a nationalist, he had to tone it down when he started getting good because being an ignorant twat is bad for the sponsors.

Exactly, I reckon he's thought "I'll do this for some publicity, people will love me for being patriotic!" and it's backfired badly for him, rightly so as well tbh, bellend doesn't even live in Scotland the cheeky bast!

Edit: just seen this gem actually

"Murray vows to carry on playing for Britain despite sparking angry backlash after declaring support for Scottish independence"

It's like hang on a minute.. you want Scotland to be independent and even go as far as voting for then expect to still represent Britain? jog on son, jog on.

 

[Job]

I still trust Betfred..people vote with their heart and bet with their head.

 

[old.user4556]

WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT A FUCKING TENNIS PLAYER JESUS SUFFERING FUCK FACING CHRIST.

HE HITS BALLS ACROSS A NET FOR A LIVING. NOONE CARES EXCEPT FOR TOTAL BORING CUNTS.