SB against Infiltrator

[old.Stang]

I start to play a Critblade because (in my opinion) its the true assasin, sneaking up to an enemy, land a pa on him to say "hello", then finishing him off before he even notice i was there and then sneak away, kill before being killed, thats the way of a Critblade. But playing a Crit is not easy, timing is important to set up a pa, to early or to late and i loose my advantage and my melee is not that good. But what can we kill actualy?, not much, we have to do it with casters, scout/rangers and sometime a light tank (if its not a shield user) in siege battles we can guard the climbpoints or sneak inside to give the numbers of the enemy or assist the tanks abit. Iam not complaining but we are limited, Shadowzerkers complain about the coming la nerf but still they can do more then critblades. I dont using a buffbot because i want to play my character the fair way, i will die many times but the battles i win is a great satisfation for me because all is done with skill, timing, and my equipment. 3 or 4 kills an evening and iam happy, thats the way of a Critblade.

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by old.Stang
I start to play a Critblade because (in my opinion) its the true assasin, sneaking up to an enemy, land a pa on him to say "hello", then finishing him off before he even notice i was there and then sneak away, kill before being killed, thats the way of a Critblade. But playing a Crit is not easy, timing is important to set up a pa, to early or to late and i loose my advantage and my melee is not that good. But what can we kill actualy?, not much, we have to do it with casters, scout/rangers and sometime a light tank (if its not a shield user) in siege battles we can guard the climbpoints or sneak inside to give the numbers of the enemy or assist the tanks abit. Iam not complaining but we are limited, Shadowzerkers complain about the coming la nerf but still they can do more then critblades. I dont using a buffbot because i want to play my character the fair way, i will die many times but the battles i win is a great satisfation for me because all is done with skill, timing, and my equipment. 3 or 4 kills an evening and iam happy, thats the way of a Critblade.

/salute

(And each to their own - play how you want to play and don't ever apologise for it)

 

[Zordo]

Sala is right, around 150 dmg with main hand ain't superb with buffs, rr8 and 50 axe/50 la spec. With the nerf damage will be very bad if you aren't rr8.. dont have a buffbot etc.. so basically SZ is gonna die totally

 

[nightsorrow]

my scout get ownd in 3 hits by most sb, isnt that fun?

missed port, wait a while, port, walk out atk, run into sb 3 hits dead, release, on port bla bla bla

same every day

just sux, thats why Sniper is a bit retired atm

 

[nightsorrow]

Originally posted by old.Stang
I start to play a Critblade because (in my opinion) its the true assasin, sneaking up to an enemy, land a pa on him to say "hello", then finishing him off before he even notice i was there and then sneak away, kill before being killed, thats the way of a Critblade. But playing a Crit is not easy, timing is important to set up a pa, to early or to late and i loose my advantage and my melee is not that good. But what can we kill actualy?, not much, we have to do it with casters, scout/rangers and sometime a light tank (if its not a shield user) in siege battles we can guard the climbpoints or sneak inside to give the numbers of the enemy or assist the tanks abit. Iam not complaining but we are limited, Shadowzerkers complain about the coming la nerf but still they can do more then critblades. I dont using a buffbot because i want to play my character the fair way, i will die many times but the battles i win is a great satisfation for me because all is done with skill, timing, and my equipment. 3 or 4 kills an evening and iam happy, thats the way of a Critblade.

And yes, Skill, best there is ingame, but 90% dont have it

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by nightsorrow
my scout get ownd in 3 hits by most sb, isnt that fun?

missed port, wait a while, port, walk out atk, run into sb 3 hits dead, release, on port bla bla bla

same every day

just sux, thats why Sniper is a bit retired atm

How many shots, including a crit shot would it take you to kill an unbuffed, sc'd sb?

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by salamurhaaja
My damage isn't baddest, my point is that 30% reduction makes playing whitout buffs impossible.

erm, have been impossible too play without buffs for months...

Originally posted by salamurhaaja

As you can read my first post whit screenshot.

Just consider:
1. 30% reduction to that damage

3. 5-spec, instead maxed weaponspes like I have


While infil hits faster and using higher weaponskills.
Those enervatings hurt so freaking much.

your a kobold, reroll a norse with 10-15str and those enverting dont hurt as much ;Z

as for 5-spec, go 50 Axe. not 39. improves your weaponskill etc..

my main weapon is my weaponskill, sbs cant debuff it fully, then wait for an evade. this works fine untill i get 4-shotted or purged.

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by Artemls
Remi just a copycat

sssshh /hug

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by froler-mid
as for 5-spec, go 50 Axe. not 39. improves your weaponskill etc..

44 over 39 seems to make a big difference to damage output .

50 over 44 is not really worth it, too little a gain.

More useful to put the points elsewhere really.

 

[ulke]

Originally posted by froler-mid


as for 5-spec, go 50 Axe. not 39. improves your weaponskill etc..

great idea !!! oh wait......what do I choose - really low envenom or stealth, or pretty low in both ?

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by kaod
44 over 39 seems to make a big difference to damage output .

50 over 44 is not really worth it, too little a gain.

More useful to put the points elsewhere really.

its not really about dmg output. its about weaponskill. as a sb u meet infils with 50+11+ thrust all the time. u need 50 axe imo.

its much harder too land a dragonfang on a SZ then it is on a 5-spec.

weaponskill = all.

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by froler-mid
its not really about dmg output. its about weaponskill. as a sb u meet infils with 50+11+ thrust all the time. u need 50 axe imo.

its much harder too land a dragonfang on a SZ then it is on a 5-spec.

weaponskill = all.

But thats due to LA skill giving a better evade.

2H critblades have awful evade rates, you dual wield it gets better, and get a nice LA score even more so.
Didn't think it was linked to main weapon.

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by kaod
I played Critblade - so please don't tell me I don't have a good cause to have a few complaints.

What I wouldn't do, is whine about it for a year.

A Critblade is not an entire class.

 

[old.Merbos]

As someone stated above, wait and see what happens, the US players tend to exaggerate , but LA as it is now still have to be toned down, maybe 30% is a bit much, maybe 15-25% is more reasonable.

Now i havent played in a while, but when I play I tend to play unbuffed unless I'm grouped, and most of the time it's in Odins. Infils and Nightshades (duels) tend to PA me for 200-400 if both are unbuffed, thats with 29% thrust resist.
Its VERY rare that SBs PA me at all, but they hit me syled for around 100 - 150 unbuffed and 150- 250 (sometimes more, but i suppose that is with crits) buffed, that is with 38% slash resist (including armor bonus) add offhand damage of 30-60 to those numbers.

I still support the fact that SBs need some reactionary stun style, like NS and Infil got, either in CS line or in base weapon line, and a better unique RA.

There are some SBs out there that don't rely on LA, listen to them!

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by Tranquil-
A Critblade is not an entire class.

Hmm.. so if I choose SZ then I get you moaning that I think I'm leet and can only spam DF right?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I choose to play the critblade which got nerfed - and don't actually moan about it, and instead... what?
I have no reason to moan anyway, cos I can respec to a SZ which actually plays a lot differently, uses a different mindset, tactics and actually seems like a different class in effect?
I liked the way I had to play a crit rather than SZ - doesn't mean I wasn't gimped though.

Not all scouts/archers suck, only the ones played by sucky players who moan that they can't melee a SB which is from the melee realm and is supposed to be a scout close-up, suck.

And anyhow - with the accumulated time that Glottis has spent moaning on here for what seems an eternity, if scouts ARE that bad, he could have rolled a different class - not just bitched about it and let's face it, got nowhere.

 

[ulke]

Originally posted by old.Merbos
As someone stated above, wait and see what happens, the US players tend to exaggerate , but LA as it is now still have to be toned down, maybe 30% is a bit much, maybe 15-25% is more reasonable.

Look here ---> http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=51036626&page=3

scroll down abit in and you'll see the log of a RR7 zerk fully buffed with mp-sc-gear getting OOE before killing a yellowconned granny......
Atleast that looks pretty bad to me

 

[old.Merbos]

Originally posted by ulke
Look here ---> http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=51036626&page=3

scroll down abit in and you'll see the log of a RR7 zerk fully buffed with mp-sc-gear getting OOE before killing a yellowconned granny......
Atleast that looks pretty bad to me

I dont see anything wrong with that.
look at the styles he use.

He use 5 DF 1 polar light and 1 comeback

DF have high end usage, pl and cb low end cost.

I bet any class using a high end usage anytime-style on a granny will get out of end well before its dead.

Welcome to reallity, ppl use reactionary styles and style chains when fighting mobs, to preserve end.

 

[old.TeaSpoon]

Originally posted by kaod
How many shots, including a crit shot would it take you to kill an unbuffed, sc'd sb?

And what chance do you think a scout will have to pull this off. I wager around 2-5% of ever being in this position.

 

[nightsorrow]

Originally posted by kaod
How many shots, including a crit shot would it take you to kill an unbuffed, sc'd sb?

i forgot, last time i saw a unbuffed sb was....uhm memory failure...can not...find.......


well, i think like 5-6 shots

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by old.TeaSpoon
And what chance do you think a scout will have to pull this off. I wager around 2-5% of ever being in this position.

So a scout can't use TS then shoot arrows from a distance?

No wonder people complain.

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by nightsorrow
i forgot, last time i saw a unbuffed sb was....uhm memory failure...can not...find.......


well, i think like 5-6 shots

And at good range, how many of those 5-6 can you let loose before the sb is in your face do you think?

 

[old.Emma]

here`s something to boggle the mind over..

SZ/5-spec/Soulblades

remove snowblind/doublefrost from your qb and replace it with ravager..

1.60 ravager does the same damage now as 1.62 doubefrost/snowblind.. you`ll be shocked.

btw if you want the numbers then here they are.. for all you growth rate junkies

ravager pre-nurf 0.697
doublefrost post-nurf 0.712

almost identicle growth rate.. so if you wanna see just how crap SB damage is after 1.62 use that style for a bit see if you win any fights at all.

and btw after testing that out on my SZ 60 axe/la with items and rr i am getting very concered over this.. lvl 46 slash infil :/

http://www.thevortex.demon.co.uk/slashfil-46vsSB.jpg

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by kaod
And at good range, how many of those 5-6 can you let loose before the sb is in your face do you think?

my experience with mobs is that at max range i can get 4 in them (including pulling crit). So with sb and better quickness that would remain 4 or 3. Other than that i cant make any conclusions as I actually have no real memory how much damage my bow does (played while ago and being lvl 46 (negative dmg modifier and not on 16.2dps)) and no clue wether or not nightsorrow meant 5-6 shots that hit or just 5-6 shots. As evade does work against arrows.

 

[old.TeaSpoon]

Originally posted by kaod
So a scout can't use TS then shoot arrows from a distance?

No wonder people complain.

Seeming as most SB's would have See hidden, I'm sure most SB's who are paying attention would be well upon their way to fucking you over before you managed to TS and then splat them.

If they are awake that is...

 

[Haldar]

typical Emain sutiation.

i stand and wait for enemy. Fg runs past, then turns to me, in 6-8 seconds im slammed and shreddered and nuked to death. Reason: group had scout with TS.

How would soon-be-nerfed SH help me in this situation?

 

[old.TeaSpoon]

Originally posted by Hroft[BC]
How would soon-be-nerfed SH help me in this situation?

Exactly, soon nerfed. But the scout didn't pwn j00 with his 1337 bow skills in that situation did he? He just used TS on you and set the zerg on you.

You sound almost as bad as the casters when Purge came in.

"omfg!!111 teh tanks can beat me once every 30 minutes!!111! nerf!!!1"

 

[nightsorrow]

Originally posted by Hroft[BC]
typical Emain sutiation.

i stand and wait for enemy. Fg runs past, then turns to me, in 6-8 seconds im slammed and shreddered and nuked to death. Reason: group had scout with TS.

How would soon-be-nerfed SH help me in this situation?

lol, we have it every 30 mins, you have it always, it just sux, thats why i went for IP instead of TS, scouts just suck in this game for now imo

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by old.TeaSpoon
Seeming as most SB's would have See hidden, I'm sure most SB's who are paying attention would be well upon their way to fucking you over before you managed to TS and then splat them.

If they are awake that is...

Yes but you are forgetting something here: TS has a better range than SH.
Distance is your friend. It is not a SB's friend.

 

[nightsorrow]

well, 2 days ago, i was standing at zonewall albside of amg, and i saw some mids zerging the place, but also saw a sb, believe it was venum, he came from gate unstealthed all the way to me...what can i do then, run: no to many mids, fight: no, its a sb come on, so when i saw him coming to me i knew i was dead, whats the fun in that, so the point is, see hidden has a good range

 

[old.TeaSpoon]

Originally posted by kaod
Yes but you are forgetting something here: TS has a better range than SH.
Distance is your friend. It is not a SB's friend.

Originally posted by old.TeaSpoon
You sound almost as bad as the casters when Purge came in.

"omfg!!111 teh tanks can beat me once every 30 minutes!!111! nerf!!!1"