SB against Infiltrator

[Skopti]

Why do u think they finally got around to sorting out the /level command.

It's a strange coincidence that they sort out that handy feature as they destroy SBs.

SB will be nothing more than roving cameras, we just head to MG's and watch the infs and NS killing each other.


I for one will stick by my soulblade, keep plugging away and see if Mythic give us a viable alternative to LA.

 

[salamurhaaja]

Originally posted by Strapon Sally
Like i have always said SB should get a reactionary stun in the baseline as it isnt fair they dont have one, but please dont preach to me LA wasnt overpowered on a SB.

You making sense there.
Whit evade-stun In base-line I would be satidfied.
And it hadn't be 9s like infil. That 9s dragonfang is unique and should belong to one assassin only if others got something nice to compensate that advantage.
I would be happy 5-6s evade stun on base weapon-line, which allows me to get 39 or 44 cs.

IF 50la would do same amount of damage as 50dw, I wouldn't play SB. Just think about how overpowered infils would be:

1. huge damage
2. dragonfang
3. 2.5 spec points

I think gimp CS+envenom compensates my damage enough. As infils won't even get hurt so bad about envenom as SBs do.

 

[belth]

Slash infils don't have a stun off evade either, FYI. Nor do bladeshades. You trade reactionaries for anytimes (excet NS ).

 

[salamurhaaja]

Originally posted by belth
Slash infils don't have a stun off evade either, FYI. Nor do bladeshades. You trade reactionaries for anytimes (excet NS ).

Yes, but infils can always choose whether to go for slash or thrust.
I want same option too, now I'm sticked to these darn axe/sword choice which is practically same thing.

I want thrust-line and df !!!

 

[belth]

Originally posted by salamurhaaja
I want thrust-line and df !!!

Give up LA, 2-h perf, norseman, 5% extra HP and you can have em. Oh wait you already did!

 

[salamurhaaja]

Well I almost forgot enervating, yes I don't hit over 200 against infil when enervating wrecks my str, which happens a lot.
Bit impossible to play whitout buffs, 5-spec, 1.62.
Damage would be like 60-70 I guess when enervating hits you even whit relics.

Give str/dex weapons plz.

 

[belth]

Better hit:

183(-71). 28% slash resist.
254 pre-resists. 30% damage-reduction.
177 pre-resists. 128(-49).

Worse hit:

139(-54). 28% slash resist.
193 pre-resists. 30% damage-reduction.
135 pre-resists. 97(-38).

Pretty much same damage as Infil/NS do, with the difference that you have enervating on you.

 

[Artemls]

Remi just a copycat

 

[ulke]

Originally posted by belth
Better hit:

183(-71). 28% slash resist.
254 pre-resists. 30% damage-reduction.
177 pre-resists. 128(-49).

Worse hit:

139(-54). 28% slash resist.
193 pre-resists. 30% damage-reduction.
135 pre-resists. 97(-38).

Pretty much same damage as Infil/NS do, with the difference that you have enervating on you.

OMG did you miss his massive offhand hit, 40dmg !! and it hits every time !!!
Why don't infils hit like that when specced 50thrust 50dw and have relics

 

[Repent Reloaded]

lol, no one can figure out how to fix a SB spec now, everyone has their own ideas, thats the first sign of a dying class, remember all the spec stuff we get when the scout nerfs where inc ?

nuff said.

 

[salamurhaaja]

I have another ss, when hitted by enervating.

 

[belth]

last reply

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by salamurhaaja
I specced high axe+LA, 'cos I wanna do better against other assassins+tanks.

so you do better against tanks with high LA then you do with high CS? hmm, sumthing is wrong here

 

[vintervargen]

btw salamur, that dmg you do on the last screenshot, is that supposed to be bad

 

[belth]

Originally posted by vintervargen
btw salamur, that dmg you do on the last screenshot, is that supposed to be bad

Yes. Imagine how horrible LA-specced SBs are after the 30% damage reduction! They'll actually have to start being careful. Grave injustice!

 

[salamurhaaja]

Originally posted by belth
Yes. Imagine how horrible LA-specced SBs are after the 30% damage reduction! They'll actually have to start being careful. Grave injustice!

My damage isn't baddest, my point is that 30% reduction makes playing whitout buffs impossible.
As you can read my first post whit screenshot.

Just consider:
1. 30% reduction to that damage
2. No buffs
3. 5-spec, instead maxed weaponspes like I have
[4. Relics -20%]

While infil hits faster and using higher weaponskills.
Those enervatings hurt so freaking much.

 

[belth]

Unbuffed 5-spec damage will be at unbuffed infiltrator damage-levels. With perma-haste, while most of us will have it at around 50% of the time at best (with worse style-bonus). Enervating hurts slash-infils/bladeshades just as much, if not more due to having less HP.

 

[salamurhaaja]

Originally posted by belth
Unbuffed 5-spec damage will be at unbuffed infiltrator damage-levels. With perma-haste, while most of us will have it at around 50% of the time at best (with worse style-bonus). Enervating hurts slash-infils/bladeshades just as much, if not more due to having less HP.

I have 1399 hp whit all capped whitout buffs.
But infils have a choice, they can spec to thrust OR slash, I'm asking why SBs can't have any choices?

 

[vintervargen]

rayne and jox both doing 200-220 + offhand with anytime :F

zzang did 390 with DF and hardly at same speed

 

[salamurhaaja]

Originally posted by vintervargen
rayne and jox both doing 200-220 + offhand with anytime :F

zzang did 390 with DF and hardly at same speed

Omg I'm gimp
Gotta have more buffbots!!
Indeed.

 

[Zill]

Imo, the Critblade died after the implementation of the 1.50 patch. Playing one prior to then was fun as you could take out most opponants while remaining stealthed. I would never recommend any SB going down that route now, unless they intend playing their SB in a certain way i.e. killing casters or keep sieges - which Critblades excel at.

 

[Zill]

Oh and Critblade vs Inf = Inf will own hands down.

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Originally posted by salamurhaaja
My damage isn't baddest, my point is that 30% reduction makes playing whitout buffs impossible.

You are so incredebly full of crap...
I used to think you were a skilled player, but this is just utter and complete crap...
You got a buffbot 6 months before a nerf, get over the fucking nerf.
An assasin should have some skills, which involves stalking their prey, ligning up the crit, etc.
Not running straight at a tank like the fucking retards most SB's are and meleeing him to death.
Utter lame fuck.
Get some skills, come back, kk, thanks.
Don't get a 2nd buffbot to compensate for all lack of skills...
Regards, Glottis

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
You got a buffbot 6 months before a nerf, get over the fucking nerf.

Says the child who has whined forever since archer nerfs.

Nice one.

 

[Tranquil-]

Perhaps cause archers have been more gimp for a longer time than assassins have. When you've been another class' punchingbag for a year you're allowed to whine.

Wait and see, try it out for yourself in game first instead of whining on something that's second hand info. Things tend to get exaggerated on second hand info. You haven't even gotten the nerf yet and you're already whining like a child who lost his rattle.

Allow me to come with a sample: "Waaaaaaaaaa!"

No offense, but yes, that is a pretty good imitation of you guys.

 

[Zill]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
.......An assasin should have some skills, which involves stalking their prey, ligning up the crit, etc.
Not running straight at a tank like the fucking retards most SB's are and meleeing him to death.

I've never been happy or fully understood the logic at the way Mythic have developed the assassin classes from the offset.

An assassin class's highest damage should only come from behind their opponent with backstabs - very similar to the Rogue in Everquest and in line with other role playing games. These moves should be able to be initiated while stealthed or not. In EQ it is also possible for a Rogue to 'assassinate' an opponant 2 or more levels below. Something similar (taking into account realm rank, levels, timer) should have been implemented in Daoc. To compensate for this, assassins should be weak in front of an opponent.

I'm going to draw some more parallels to EQ as they got the assassin right. Rogues were very uncommon, weak fighting in front and very strong from behind their opponents, essential for groups and difficult classes to play.

This is the complete opposite to how they are in Daoc

For a start, it's laughable that Critical Strike - supposedly the assassin's main tool for their craft is neglected, and in most cases altogether in favour of skills for players to become 'mini-tanks'. And why I have some sympathy for players like Stang who are being owned because they have dared to role a 'true assassin' via the CS route.

But Mythic are the ones to blame for this fiasco. In their stupid wisdom and poor design, they have screwed the assassin classes up.

 

[belth]

Current PA-damage unbuffed="old times" PA damage rez-sick.

Current PA-damage buffed="old times" PA damage unbuffed

Pretty close anyway.

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Originally posted by Zill
I've never been happy or fully understood the logic at the way Mythic have developed the assassin classes from the offset.

I have not played EQ, but all I know is that my scout, in order to stand a chance has to land crit shot (except against a cloth wearing caster). In order to land the crit shot the person cannot be in combat, and cannot be in moving (stealth running is also moving). Similar to an assasin, except with the right timing you can do CS on a running person. You perf the bubble to make up for the range issue (archer vs assasin).
All this I do not have a problem with at all. Takes time and effort.
All I dislike are those SB's running at you unstealthed, and hitting for 600hp per hit. A CS of 800 or so, sure, fine, skills. Doublefrost for 600, no thanks...
The fixes archers got took 1 year after they utterly killed the class, I hope, if this nerf is completely over the top, they do fix the SB class faster, but SB's need to be fixed. Petition for a better CS line then, not to keep LA as it is.
Regards, Glottis

 

[Skopti]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
Doublefrost for 600, no thanks...

Regards, Glottis

600!!!

I'm lucky if I get anywhere near 200 with my doublefrost.

I don't know what armour you're wearing but could you please equip the rest of your realm in it.

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by Tranquil-
Perhaps cause archers have been more gimp for a longer time than assassins have. When you've been another class' punchingbag for a year you're allowed to whine.

Wait and see, try it out for yourself in game first instead of whining on something that's second hand info. Things tend to get exaggerated on second hand info. You haven't even gotten the nerf yet and you're already whining like a child who lost his rattle.

Allow me to come with a sample: "Waaaaaaaaaa!"

No offense, but yes, that is a pretty good imitation of you guys.

I played Critblade - so please don't tell me I don't have a good cause to have a few complaints.

What I wouldn't do, is whine about it for a year.