rvr was just killed by hibernia.

[Tareregion]

Pudz: Just because you are a hibby now doesnt mean you have to make clueless posts everywhere :<

Puppet: Hibernia caster group were just as viable as tank groups in other realms pre toa.

Fadeh: just cos you have to use your brain now instead of just going for the casters, doesn't mean you should still talk bullshit :<

 

[Amuse]

fg alb vs fg hib

0/100
2 fg alb ( fg opted fg random ) vs fg hib
1/ 5
2 fg alb opted vs fg hib
4/5

Agreed..

when one of the best wizzys in the realm tryes to avoid runing into hibs alone , you know something is unbalanced

 

[Ormorof]

i think hibs do so well because theyve had ages of practice at caster groups, its still a relatively new idea to mids/albs, more so for albs since there were a few caster groups around pre-toa (but as everyone keeps saying, who needs casters when you got savages? )

combine more experience + some damn good ability's and hibernia is on top for a change, im sure albs will be on top in future and then mids... and then possibly hibs again?

 

[NeonBlue]

Agreed..

when one of the best wizzys in the realm tryes to avoid runing into hibs alone , you know something is unbalanced

i think anyone would avoid running into hibs ...if they was solo...cant see how that makes things unbalanced

 

[Frubly]

Chanter DPS de-buff interupt needs a nerf before the other realms caster groups are to become more viable vs. Hib caster groups.

But as I haven’t seen notes of it being fixed in frontiers so we won't see it in the foreseeable future (3 months+).

Oh and while they are at it they need to remove the interupt on BD's insta lifetap as that could potentially be just as bad.

 

[Edlina]

fg alb vs fg hib
0/100
2 fg alb ( fg opted fg random ) vs fg hib
1/ 5
2 fg alb opted vs fg hib
4/5
another:
and leave emain .emain zerg is not RvR its just a run to mmg from amg and using three different way. = boring for me

That's only true for your caliber of groups Steveh.
And I didn't hear you say that emain thing when the RvR guilds were still in Toa - didn't take too long for you to leave emain after they came back tho.

 

[Derric]

Fadeh: just cos you have to use your brain now instead of just going for the casters, doesn't mean you should still talk bullshit :<

Tare, just cos your goatee is inferior to mine doesn't mean you have to be bitter.

 

[Saggy]

Chanter DPS de-buff interupt needs a nerf before the other realms caster groups are to become more viable vs. Hib caster groups.

Fixed, not nerfed Anyway, since 1.62 (or 1.65, can't remember, the ASD-fix patch anyway) caster groups have been perfectly viable and they were perfectly viable before people started to abuse ASD (not a long time ago when Hibs found out about bugged ASD, right? Which on of the ASDs interupts btw? AE or just single?). The "Dark Age of Tankalot" lasted from the Det-patch up to 1.62 (or 1.65), rest of the time RvR has been dominated by Casters, imo.

Removing MAs from RvR and changing the interupt-system (and some class tweaking ) would balance the game a bit, imo.

 

[Nxs]

That's only true for your caliber of groups Steveh.
And I didn't hear you say that emain thing when the RvR guilds were still in Toa - didn't take too long for you to leave emain after they came back tho.

Nope you are soo WRONG !!

Steveh's figures in my eyes are too favourable to albs, even running optimised groups Alb does not stand a chance.

ToA and Hib have ruined the game now (not due to the fault of any players tho, its just the game design)

 

[Puppet]

Puppet: Hibernia caster group were just as viable as tank groups in other realms pre toa.

Well not really. Tankgroups wherent very viable for Hibs because of the way higher dmg-output savages had and Albs have BOF to fight it. We where FORCED to run caster-groups basically since tank-groups where easy to battle for our enemies.

However forcing Hibs into some fighting-setup (casters) doesnt make it 'viable'. What defines viable anyhow? It was the best we could do as Hibs but if you count loosing 3 groupmembers in 3 seconds on incoming as viable your and my opinion are different.

BOF, savages, SoS forced Hibernia more and more into casters. Now suddenly the tables are turned and our casters who got 2 shotted and stuff are suddenly somehow abit more protected against melee.

Instead of adapting (like we did every patch) and keep playing you keep hanging in the past: In the Tank-era. You still wanna win as much as you did before TOA however Grapple, Bodyguard, Masterlevels etc all changed that.

We adapted as Hibs before TOA. We struggled but survived. We RvR'ed when all odds where against casters with Determination 5, buffbot-resists, bugged savages, SoS and the works.

We didnt do as well as you did; but we didnt quit; we rerolled, we adapted, we improved, we got owned over and over again but look.. we're still here.

Nowadays the tables have turned; its time for the full melee-groups to adept. Some guilds try to adept (Maelstrom added a caster and lately they been levelling more casters, Outcast started running body-debuff groups, etc etc) and some others dont adept and think its unfair.

Whats unfair? BOF against a melee group? SOS against a melee-group? Buffbot-resists against casters?

You dont improve your gameplay by whining about grapple on IRC/FH but on the same time still hang onto something which is something of the past (melee-groups).

 

[Bubble]

Funny stuff ^^

A few nights ago our alb 'melee' group killed USP's group 1v1 and then another hib group 1v1 and then lost to Mael 1v1

Was good fun

 

[Bubble]

I should say melee group with Onigiri

 

[Puppet]

Nope you are soo WRONG !!

Steveh's figures in my eyes are too favourable to albs, even running optimised groups Alb does not stand a chance.

Whats optimised ? Im sorry but an offensive ARMSMAN isnt optimised to battle Hibs. That makes ANY group with Steveh his current spec NOT optimised.

Melee groups always sucked against Albs when we played them in Hib. SOS made sure we couldnt catch anyone while our end-regen (bard) was nicely killed. BOF made sure you had 30 secs of near immunity against it and if you fucked up really bad you could add a 2nd 30 secs where melee ment nothing to you.

We scratched the pure-meleegroups. When are you gonna start doing that? Make an optimised group with casters, get them the same gear/arti's as we do, get decent RR (RR6+) to get the necessary RA's and RvR-experience with the class and then you can complain.

At the moment it means nothing. Most Albs dont even try to adept and still run tank-heavy.

There is no high-RR castergroup as Albion. Outcast was the highest RR Alb castergroup with arti's and they didnt do too bad to be honest. They had a better win-ratio over Hibs then Hibs had with their casters back in the Tank-era.

 

[Path]

Hibs have more pets, DPS debuff and GP, as well as better resists. Albs have a better mezzer and potentially just as good nukes, as well as the option of getting pets (even though Hibs will always be superiro in taht field). However the DPS debuff, which should've been fixed along with healers, and particularly GP makes Hib caster groups alot more viable. If an Albion group gets mezzed you pretty much need people to purge; sorc isn't going to be unmezzing with the enemy MA targetting him/her first. Hibs can bypass this by having one of the druids clear the entire group; come NF the loss of GP will probably equalize caster groups more, even though the bloody debuff still needs fixing

 

[Zede]

To all low ML rank and low rr albs with melee classes : reroll a caster, preferably a sorc or cabbie plze

The slaughter house that is currently albion should have a few months sabbatical from rvr to re-think what it really needs to be competitive, 90% of albs are just fodder atm. Dont give the enemy the satisfaction, go do something about it, it may take time, just make sure you get it done in time for NF

 

[Bubble]

Whats optimised ? Im sorry but an offensive ARMSMAN isnt optimised to battle Hibs. That makes ANY group with Steveh his current spec NOT optimised.

Melee groups always sucked against Albs when we played them in Hib. SOS made sure we couldnt catch anyone while our end-regen (bard) was nicely killed. BOF made sure you had 30 secs of near immunity against it and if you fucked up really bad you could add a 2nd 30 secs where melee ment nothing to you.

We scratched the pure-meleegroups. When are you gonna start doing that? Make an optimised group with casters, get them the same gear/arti's as we do, get decent RR (RR6+) to get the necessary RA's and RvR-experience with the class and then you can complain.

At the moment it means nothing. Most Albs dont even try to adept and still run tank-heavy.

There is no high-RR castergroup as Albion. Outcast was the highest RR Alb castergroup with arti's and they didnt do too bad to be honest. They had a better win-ratio over Hibs then Hibs had with their casters back in the Tank-era.

You should quit while your ahead ^^
Personly i think a Det5 S/S armsman are usefull in groups (Think hero??) as a BG/ grapple spammer with Det5

 

[Gahn]

Uhm

You should quit while your ahead ^^
Personly i think a Det5 S/S armsman are usefull in groups (Think hero??) as a BG/ grapple spammer with Det5

Puppet poiting out that an OFFENSIVE Armsman is useless ......

 

[Nxs]

Whats optimised ? Im sorry but an offensive ARMSMAN isnt optimised to battle Hibs. That makes ANY group with Steveh his current spec NOT optimised.

Melee groups always sucked against Albs when we played them in Hib. SOS made sure we couldnt catch anyone while our end-regen (bard) was nicely killed. BOF made sure you had 30 secs of near immunity against it and if you fucked up really bad you could add a 2nd 30 secs where melee ment nothing to you.

We scratched the pure-meleegroups. When are you gonna start doing that? Make an optimised group with casters, get them the same gear/arti's as we do, get decent RR (RR6+) to get the necessary RA's and RvR-experience with the class and then you can complain.

At the moment it means nothing. Most Albs dont even try to adept and still run tank-heavy.

There is no high-RR castergroup as Albion. Outcast was the highest RR Alb castergroup with arti's and they didnt do too bad to be honest. They had a better win-ratio over Hibs then Hibs had with their casters back in the Tank-era.

Who said anything about an ARMSMAN ? not me - just commented that in my eyes Steveh's numbers were too optimistic.

We had 3 full groups in a keep, 4 hibs classes wiped us out - is that balanced ? there is no fun in RvR now - i really hope new frontiers solves some of these issues else ill be staying in CoH

 

[Puppet]

You should quit while your ahead ^^
Personly i think a Det5 S/S armsman are usefull in groups (Think hero??) as a BG/ grapple spammer with Det5

Yes. However last time I met Steveh he attacked me with his partichan (sp?) which is like a mofo big 2H weapon

So at the moment Steveh is not a defensive shield armsman bodyguarding and grappling. ATM he's an offensive orientated armsman.

And those just dont do too well in this era. If Im not mistaken Steveh his current spec holds 42 shield 39 1H spec and 50 2H.

He could without respeccing be a bodyguard/grappler but thats not what he does at the moment.

Therefore his group is not optimised at the moment. Thats not disrespectful to Steveh but its the truth.

Its very rare you see an 'optimised Hib-group' run around with a hero with his Spear/Large Weapon out being Main Assist. He does other stuff

 

[Bubble]

Puppet poiting out that an OFFENSIVE Armsman is useless ......

I assume ALL heros have 42 shield and 50 LW/CS?

Just like all armsmen have 42 shield and 50 polearm

 

[Gahn]

Nah

I assume ALL heros have 42 shield and 50 LW/CS?

Just like all armsmen have 42 shield and 50 polearm

U assume wrong

 

[Puppet]

I assume ALL heros have 42 shield and 50 LW/CS?

Just like all armsmen have 42 shield and 50 polearm

Even if they do heroes run with the shield-equipped defending, grappling, guarding, bodyguarding.

Steveh is an offensive tank and often MA in his group. He utilizes his shield only for offensive slam.

And most heroes in high-end RvR are like 50 shield 50 LW/CS rest 1H spec.

The difference is: Steveh runs with pole(2H?) out and is MA. While Hibs use the hero for defense.

Its not spec; its the role in the group :O

 

[Edlina]

Who said anything about an ARMSMAN ? not me - just commented that in my eyes Steveh's numbers were too optimistic.

We had 3 full groups in a keep, 4 hibs classes wiped us out - is that balanced ? there is no fun in RvR now - i really hope new frontiers solves some of these issues else ill be staying in CoH

Stevehs fg is far from opted.

I'm sure none of your grps were opted either, and if they were I'd bet the players weren't competent with their classes anyway.

And if you lost 24 vs 4 either it was a lord room defence, you were all afk, they got uber pbaoe jump, or you just totally suck xD

 

[Bubble]

After Grappling etc
They can change to polearm like heros do tho

 

[Sycho]

I can only see that happening in lord room... heck an ice wiz could even do that with power relics to be honest, it's debuffs in daoc people do not look at which are the main reason people see a class as overpowered(if used right they can be Oo) and they also forget relics make the difference more than anything.

If that happened in open area i really do not know what to say :/ i guess it's a mistake you can learn from and not give up like some people have, edlina be nice xD

Puppet you also forgot one major thing that fucked a hib tank group up

 

[Maleg]

I assume ALL heros have 42 shield and 50 LW/CS?

Just like all armsmen have 42 shield and 50 polearm

Most popular Hero spec's are 50 Shield 50 LW rest 1H or 50 Shield 50 1H rest parry.

 

[Bubble]

Most popular Hero spec's are 50 Shield 50 LW rest 1H or 50 Shield 50 1H rest parry.

Still you get my point - Heros also use 2handed when they need to dish out damage

Edit- Like armsmen 'should' do in an opted group

 

[Succi]

We had 3 full groups in a keep, 4 hibs classes wiped us out - is that balanced ?

Please don't confuse balence with individual player skill

 

[Amuse]

Hibs have more pets, DPS debuff and GP, as well as better resists. Albs have a better mezzer and potentially just as good nukes, as well as the option of getting pets (even though Hibs will always be superiro in taht field). However the DPS debuff, which should've been fixed along with healers, and particularly GP makes Hib caster groups alot more viable. If an Albion group gets mezzed you pretty much need people to purge; sorc isn't going to be unmezzing with the enemy MA targetting him/her first. Hibs can bypass this by having one of the druids clear the entire group; come NF the loss of GP will probably equalize caster groups more, even though the bloody debuff still needs fixing

AND insta mezz... cant sya that to many times..
Need to give sorcs insta mezz (knowing mythic, they will prolly give necros it) or remove it from bards/healers

and the pets.. the pets!! annoying pets! (hibs gets pets from Chanters/druids, usualy 3-4 pets in each group)


and the part aboute the wizzy runing.. i wasnt talking aboute solo.. he usualy drives, and tryes to avoid hibs with hes GROUP

 

[Amuse]

Please don't confuse balence with individual player skill

well.. 4 vs 3fgs.. 3fgs should be albe to smash 4 players to jupiter and back, then to jupiter again