rvr was just killed by hibernia.

[Ilum]

Ever heard of Mentalists? Dont see why Hibs dont fit Light Menta's in groups - sexeh nukes, demezz, nasty pets, gimpy heals and a good MA-line. I had Menta in each and every Hib-group setups I planned after ToA was launched, even leveled one up to lvl31 at Hib/Pryd

I think it's the "Savage" effect - their natural grp slots are given to classes perceived as more adept. I mean, there's nothing wrong with Berserkers, its just that Savages are a lot better :]

 

[Danya]

I think it's the "Savage" effect - their natural grp slots are given to classes perceived as more adept. I mean, there's nothing wrong with Berserkers, its just that Savages are a lot better :]

I played light ment, and never got non-guild groups for RvR. And this despite the fact that I could debuff nuke as hard as a light spec eld or chanter with the advantage that it was heat so the same as the mana chanter's baseline nuke.

And AFAIK all realms already have 2 demzzers, my ment certainly had it (was 45 light, 28 ment, 10 mana).

 

[Escape]

BOF still good against melee, but Hibs dont run melee. because we know its abit silly to run melee when your enemy has grapple/bodyguard.

And SOS is still VERY good last-time I checked. And its cheaper then GP too so you get a good RA out of that

I'd rather have 2x GP in the group, than 1x SoS.

Even Mythic, in their limited wisdom have seen the need to remove GP from the game. Apparently the whole of NF; RA review, landscape change, keeps etc... is a cover-up for removing GP


BoF is useless atm. I doubt I'll buy it in NF, unless Tankalot happens again, which seems unlikely.

 

[Saggy]

I think it's the "Savage" effect - their natural grp slots are given to classes perceived as more adept. I mean, there's nothing wrong with Berserkers, its just that Savages are a lot better :]

Yes, but I would rank Menta over an extra Chanter/Eldy (edit: I would rank Zerker over an extra Savage too )

Druid
Druid
Bard
BG
BG
Chanter
Eldy
Menta

Menta's special RA (gone on NF :/) is quite nice tool too.

And AFAIK all realms already have 2 demzzers, my ment certainly had it (was 45 light, 28 ment, 10 mana).

Yes, Albs have Mini/Sorc, Mids Healer/SM and Hibs Bard/Menta.

 

[Puppet]

Just expalin why you need to debuff the attack speed of a caster?? as soon as you do that you are cheating, your group has won becasue someone cheated. Stop cheating.

Because something isnt fixed (yet) doesnt mean its cheating.....

Its like saying 'hey look that infiltrator is cheating when he uses 9 sec dragonfang because it gets fixed to 5 secs'.

Obviously the dps-debuff interrupting is an oversight and SHOULD be fixed. Yes, I agree on that.

However it aint cheating when you use tools available to you in the current patch; how much that reasoning would fit me alot of times. ASD on healer anyone ? Quad-rate on savage anyone ? Necro's hitting through keepwalls anyone ?

Im sure there are a few more flaws in the game which hopefully get fixed soon. But calling it cheating is silly.

 

[Elendar]

most hibs called it that when healers had it
and yes it was stupid and good thing it was fixed

 

[Corran]

i think anyone would avoid running into hibs ...if they was solo...cant see how that makes things unbalanced

pffft i hunt fg of hibs down tbh when i solo for a laugh.. especially if tera- is in them. Need my daily hug spam. Or ramble of course. Thou i rarely get to nuke a hib

Also hunt 1-2fg of mids at a time. thou against them i normally get to nuke some. No amnesia insta. even get to kill sometimes Thats fun. especially as normally unbuffed.

Need to get a bot thou so i can mezz fg's of hibs. Maybe i will soon stoop to the stealther level and make one. As funny when a NS can PA>CD, get 4+ rounds of hits in during stun. And still die to a sorc that dont use any ra's

 

[Hotrats]

Hibs have more pets, DPS debuff and GP, as well as better resists. Albs have a better mezzer and potentially just as good nukes, as well as the option of getting pets (even though Hibs will always be superiro in taht field). However the DPS debuff, which should've been fixed along with healers, and particularly GP makes Hib caster groups alot more viable. If an Albion group gets mezzed you pretty much need people to purge; sorc isn't going to be unmezzing with the enemy MA targetting him/her first. Hibs can bypass this by having one of the druids clear the entire group; come NF the loss of GP will probably equalize caster groups more, even though the bloody debuff still needs fixing

Agree with you completely, GP is the main reason hibs carried on playing caster groups after the introduction of det. I'm sure alb and mid would have carried on with caster groups as well if they had GP and hibs didn't get BaoD (this one RA forced both alb and mid to field tank groups for a long time).

Fight vs opted Alb group would go like this, sorc win mezz, Hibs GP, bard dead. Tanks with no endurance chase kiting sorc. Unless PF landed, Sorc would generally live. Cleric hits Bof. Hibs changed targets to MA or support. Cleric spreads a couple of times. Hib druids would die with dual wield sailing through guard as if it didnt exist and then BM's specced for offense would be picked apart by Alb offensive tanks. Forget SOS 9/10 was never needed. I recall hitting for 40 on clerics with 2h slash at 2k WS. We still came out, got whinged at many a time, but we usually came out to have our ass handed back to us, /rele and then see how many would log before contemplating another run.

So during that time some Hibs started reinventing caster groups, some never actually stopped. A lot of the time they would be beaten by melee groups.

Should be sorc wins mezz, hibs gp, bard insta mezz's sorc or druid insta roots, bard dies but unless SoS is up so does sorc (BoF won't save sorc from BM's with TW). I always enjoyed fights vs hib tank groups and lets not forget SoS/BoF were not up every fight, especially with the number of savage groups out back in those days!

Hib caster group worked better pre-TOA than you all seem to think, the classes all worked well together and the debuffs and disease on eld as well as a very good guarding/slamming hero really was the key to beating mid savage groups. Meanwhile the warden, chanter/druid pets and dps debuff would interupt the support. Alb really struggled even then vs hib caster groups cus of a lack of classes who could interupt the pb box, around this time though theurg got a pet boost and became almost standard in most alb groups.

 

[NeonBlue]

stuff

aye must admit i always enjoyed mezzing fgs when i ran solo...makes it much more a challenge & fun

its even better when u actually take a group of 5 down + stealther adds...like i managed to do once...was best fun i had in ages...i was lucky Moc was up though...even so Hibs must of been thinking "wtf!"

 

[[NP]XanateA^^]

Sorry for making Maelstrom, PE and Outcast leave emain so other hibs can kill ppl =(

 

[Jiggs]

Hib caster group worked better pre-TOA than you all seem to think, the classes all worked well together and the debuffs and disease on eld as well as a very good guarding/slamming hero really was the key to beating mid savage groups. Meanwhile the warden, chanter/druid pets and dps debuff would interupt the support. Alb really struggled even then vs hib caster groups cus of a lack of classes who could interupt the pb box, around this time though theurg got a pet boost and became almost standard in most alb groups.

disagree, sos really owned hib groups in those times, the only time you'd lose was when SOS was down and the hib grp had 3 pbers with MoC up.

 

[Belomar]

Obviously the dps-debuff interrupting is an oversight and SHOULD be fixed. Yes, I agree on that.

However it aint cheating when you use tools available to you in the current patch; how much that reasoning would fit me alot of times. ASD on healer anyone ? Quad-rate on savage anyone ? Necro's hitting through keepwalls anyone ?

As far as I remember, an NP bard (Mskin?) got his insta amnesia (I think) temporarily removed during some patch when it was possible to abuse it for interrupting. In other words, GOA decided it was sufficiently close to cheating to go to the trouble of removing it for individual players. I would love to see this happen to the DPS debuff of all enchanters on all European servers while we wait for a fix.

 

[Ilum]

Sorry for making Maelstrom, PE and Outcast leave emain so other hibs can kill ppl =(

Xana it's not your fault, I'm leaving cause Hib/Mid Prydwen has too low RvR active population. If you manage to run a successful Alb group you just end up building up a huge Alb Zerg. And Outcast isnt leaving, most of the guild is staying.

 

[Uberlama]

Why can't you go and take a keep in Hibernia instead of porting to midgard?
Why do you find it "boring to farm ppl without chance" in emain, but not in Odins? (cos basically what you're saying is that's what you're doing, but you don't like to do it in emain, but odins is a different story)

Oh, and heh the story about sos'ing thru amg, killing 25 mids etc. shows just what kind of enemies you are playing against, the ones you said it was boring to farm in emain.

No offence, but it's a bit like the "ubah" grps vs you, and prly as much fun for the different forces too

nope, u dont see the difference. what I said is impossible in emain most of the times because if u try to hit a hib keep, eclipse, tdd, ad, and other ggs came to kill you nearly instantly. ohh if u can reach a keep of course, I forget this after toa there were many nights when "hib zerg " was in emain that mean 4-5 fg balanced hib pbae grp, well if u can take a keep against them with 1 fg and u can hold it..

Odins , hehe well when I said 4fg at amg that means 4 fg caster grp, but not fully randoms, for example Orenthal, Belorfyn and friends , and such grps, and if there are 4 of these grp, they not so easy with a not opted tank grp hehe . but I m sure u dont see this ;-p
Odins is a challenge mostly because of the number of our enemies (except if opted mid caster grp come out, they are fun to fight with), u can imagine not 1 fg mid will come out for keep retake, but 40-50 mids, when we hold the keep or after they leave it its a really big challenge to compete with them with our fg.
there are other examples when not everything went as we wanted, last time at the 3rd attempt 100 mids came out, well we cant kill them, but we could kill many of them who were a bit far from the zerg. and after they camp at amg and we pull them , placing speedwarp and kill those who are brave enough to follow us into the trap.

most of the opted grps in emain wouldnt make those mistakes which give us the victory (well except if the zerg follow us : p).

If u dont see now the difference I cant help , so just take my words and believe me, Odin is really different from Emain

 

[Puppet]

As far as I remember, an NP bard (Mskin?) got his insta amnesia (I think) temporarily removed during some patch when it was possible to abuse it for interrupting. In other words, GOA decided it was sufficiently close to cheating to go to the trouble of removing it for individual players. I would love to see this happen to the DPS debuff of all enchanters on all European servers while we wait for a fix.

Think the bug Mskin used was the fact his insta-amnesia had no recast-timer. Whenever meeting a group he just hammered the amnesia button resulting in perma 'amnesia' for the enemy. No way of stopping it (since its an insta on bards) and the enemy couldnt cast at all...

And amnesia interrupts when resisted AFAIK. That was abit more serious then this tbh

And like I said I think it needs fixing, yes. Hotpatching should be best too; but knowing its still not fixed in the US I sincerly doubt it will be fixed soon here.

But yes its silly but saying is cheating is abit silly I think. And I dont play enchanter and dont know if our enchanters use it; but to be honest we all know ASD and I remember you and me duoing in Odins with caba+theurg once and I noticed a stream of ASD's coming from our hands back then.

 

[snoz]

Sorry for making Maelstrom, PE and Outcast leave emain so other hibs can kill ppl =(

oh really

 

[cougar]

oh really

yeah?

 

[Derric]

yeah?

Yeah baby! Yeah?

 

[Pudzy]

You go derric, you go girl shake that ass baby!!!

 

[Derric]

I'm a sexy bitch!

 

[Xxcalibur]

still is drfrau grp in emain ^^

 

[Edlina]

If you manage to run a successful Alb group you just end up building up a huge Alb Zerg.

Hardly the truth in current rvr.

Hotrats if BoF wasn't/isn't always up, what makes you think GP was/is?

Uberlama, basically you're going to odins to fight less opted enemies agreed?
(there might be more of them, but they don't run as balanced as you do - and even further from opted than you)

 

[Uberlama]

Edlina: yes, but as someone here said, our fg isnt even opted with an armsman in it, and cant compete with those hib opted fgs are running in emain, so yes.

 

[Jupiter]

started reading this thread got pissed off after the 4th post with the fckn whines

obviuosly theres fck all imagination in albs or ur "How to be a fotm Alb" guide not tell u how to counteract hibbys...

Mr Mythic sir dems Hibbies keep beating us up....

Pucker up Albies, kiss some hibby ass and enjoy the ride or fo to some other fotm realm/server

 

[Mojo]

Mr Mythic sir dems Hibbies keep beating us up....

Har Har

 

[Minimez]

Dont see much wrong with emain atm.. Nice to see hibs are out and about more.. people moaning about them being overpowered need to steal there power relics tbfh ;p

 

[Corran]

Sorry for making Maelstrom, PE and Outcast leave emain so other hibs can kill ppl =(

hmm, big headed fool

You done nothing. Oh you won some fights due to being able to use gp almost every fight. Skillful, honest. You did not drive us out of emain. And i would like to see you run that group when you got no group purge! Would you seriously be up for the challenge and do you think you will do anywhere near as well?

Outcast are currently sorting out our internal problems (ie recruiting, group set up etc) as we lost some people for god knows how long. That is why no GG in emain. When we do get back out we will die often still.

1) we cant slaughter a zerg of clueless people due to power limitations (unlike tank group),
2) We mainly be low rr so missing lots of abilities.
3) Some people need to learn how to fight in such groups (new cabby and cleric for starters, oh and me still suck ofc )
4) we dont run with the same people everyday and therefore wont have as strong a bond as your group. Alot of hib groups play with same people all time = know their playstyle. Till we played together for a good few months it be hard for us to compete on a "level" playing field

 

[cougar]

hmm, big headed fool

You done nothing. Oh you won some fights due to being able to use gp almost every fight. Skillful, honest. You did not drive us out of emain. And i would like to see you run that group when you got no group purge! Would you seriously be up for the challenge and do you think you will do anywhere near as well?

Outcast are currently sorting out our internal problems (ie recruiting, group set up etc) as we lost some people for god knows how long. That is why no GG in emain. When we do get back out we will die often still.

1) we cant slaughter a zerg of clueless people due to power limitations (unlike tank group),
2) We mainly be low rr so missing lots of abilities.
3) Some people need to learn how to fight in such groups (new cabby and cleric for starters, oh and me still suck ofc )
4) we dont run with the same people everyday and therefore wont have as strong a bond as your group. Alot of hib groups play with same people all time = know their playstyle. Till we played together for a good few months it be hard for us to compete on a "level" playing field

conclusion, you wont win vs dedicated guilds and gp has nothing to do with it? XD

 

[Hotrats]

disagree, sos really owned hib groups in those times, the only time you'd lose was when SOS was down and the hib grp had 3 pbers with MoC up.

I don't think SoS really helps that much vs hibs pbae, good for tanks when they get slammed but hardly a fight winning RA. Now if albs had TWF or pre-nerfed BaoD....

SoS or no SoS one pbae'r with a well timed MoC and both alb clerics interupted would be an almost certain win for hibs.

Hotrats if BoF wasn't/isn't always up, what makes you think GP was/is?

Well if GP isn't up you still got your individual purges at least, if hibs don't use GP though and you land first mezz it was generally pretty easy to win (depending on number of individual purges, and I can't speak for how it is in TOA).

 

[Konah]

people moaning about them being overpowered need to steal there power relics tbfh ;p

aye its relics that make the difference between hibs being 'overpowered' and merely 'tough' (if played well) even hibs on 10% bonus are alot more manageable.

problem is albs can't keep the pow relics & mids dont want them = they end up in hib

grapple is broken yes but u can still beat them, it just requires different methods.