Rift: Planes of Telara

[Punishment]

Or .... Crazy idea, Charge the same amount for the same service and stop being retarded ?

 

[Xandax]

Now that IS fraud.

Even tho the chances that they will find out are small, i just can't see the risk being worth it just to save a few quid you wont notice once you get paid next time..

It's not the amount which nags me - it is the charging me 20-25% more for no real reason. Especially when GBP/USD is just as valid a currency for me as EUR would be.
I could easily afford it, it is just the principle on the matter - especially when I'm already on the fence about buying the game. I do care about my money even if I can afford to spend it.

 

[Ctuchik]

Agreed, but it is what it is.

I'm gonna pay the legal way so i can sit here on my high horse and spit on you lowlife scum

Oh btw, Trion is well aware of ppl cheating the payment system and are looking in to it. So don't be to surprised if they decide to do something about it.

Last i heard is that they are cross-checking ppl's payment with their credit card and IP.

 

[Mabs]

i think it depends on if your getting a better deal from exchange rate, etc, or bypassing VAT/US tax, etc, dunno really
wouldnt risk it personally

 

[Xandax]

Agreed, but it is what it is.

I'm gonna pay the legal way so i can sit here on my high horse and spit on you lowlife scum

Oh btw, Trion is well aware of ppl cheating the payment system and are looking in to it. So don't be to surprised if they decide to do something about it.

Last i heard is that they are cross-checking ppl's payment with their credit card and IP.

I just think I'm gonna skip the game instead when it isn't better and CSR couldn't even read (never a good sign in my book, always gives me post-traumatic flashback to GOA).
Then I see no reason why to pay extra when I do not have to, when I'm already on the fence with the game, so I'll just skip it.
Funny thing though - I could buy from Direct2Drive in pound it seems. But well - still think I'll just save my money unless CSR can actually give an answer to the question I asked.

i think it depends on if your getting a better deal from exchange rate, etc, or bypassing VAT/US tax, etc, dunno really
wouldnt risk it personally

Exchange rates don't fluctuate 20-25%.
It is only to get extra money an easy way because few take notice when seeing the same price. They're not the first to do it, they'll not be the last doing it either. But it is still rather underhanded.

 

[Ctuchik]

Here's a reason why US seems to pay less...

Pay especial note to the underlined text.

Taxes. In America there is no national sales tax. Many states do have sales tax and they are added on AFTER the sales price. So, if you buy in California you pay the list price PLUS 8%. In Europe we have HUGE sales tax (VAT) and by law its bundled into the sales price so our prices include 20 to 25% VAT. Our EU governments also demand that the seller collects an import fee (also bundled in). I'm not saying either system is right or wrong but... America has low taxes and low services. In EU we have high taxes and lots of services.

from: Euro VS dollar

And apparently these taxes apply even for digital downloads.

So it's not Trion trying to cheat money out of you, its your government...

 

[Xandax]

Here's a reason why US seems to pay less...

Pay especial note to the underlined text.



from: Euro VS dollar

And apparently these taxes apply even for digital downloads.

So it's not Trion trying to cheat money out of you, its your government...

That could be a valid excuse if - and only if - the UK wasn't a part of the EU. Yet the UK pays very nearly the same price as the US does when using exchange rates.
It would also be a valid excuse if I couldn't buy digital downloads in the US for dollars and only have it marked up with VAT, instead of Trion directing me to pay in EUR.
It isn't taxation alone explaining the difference.
It is Trion pricing their digital download differently in EUR which is explaining it.

 

[Ctuchik]

Might be true, still sceptical though.

My insight in the european unions tax system and the different countries local systems is quite flawed so i won't go any deeper

Funny thing though, the boxed version of the game here in sweden is roughly the same as the digital download version in d2d uk shop

399 SEK (shipping not included) is roughly £37. And on d2d uk shop the game costs £35.

 

[Xandax]

Got another standard reply from the CSR to my inquiry which .... unfortunately still does not answer/address the question I asked.
Incompetent CSR. That just decided it all for me. No money for Trion from me.

 

[eksdee]

This may not be spectacularly relevant to those of you who have already played the game, but those who haven't or those who didn't get to play much so far may find my article for riftjunkies.com somewhat informative:

DAOC to Rift: A PVP Perspective - RiftJunkies.com - An Official Rift: Planes of Telara Fansite

yes, i know there are two grammatical errors in the first two paragraphs. i'm waiting for the editor to wake up so they can be fixed! :s

 

[BaTDiE]

I checked with Rift and they confirmed me there is no fraud. They dind't confirm me openly because their publisher (Ubisoft) in Europe would get mad but if you want to pay less money, simply change your country to USA, Nevraska with proper ZIP code. You will purchase the digital version of the game 15€ cheaper.

I'm on a tight economy here in Spain, I'm not poor but I'm not a brainless customer either. I'm not going to pay more for a product if I can do it legally for less. Spanish mentality I guess... that's why our financial is about to blow up haha

This may not be spectacularly relevant to those of you who have already played the game, but those who haven't or those who didn't get to play much so far may find my article for riftjunkies.com somewhat informative:

DAOC to Rift: A PVP Perspective - RiftJunkies.com - An Official Rift: Planes of Telara Fansite

yes, i know there are two grammatical errors in the first two paragraphs. i'm waiting for the editor to wake up so they can be fixed! :s

The article is very informative and well presented but I think it might lead to confusion about PvP imbalances.

PvP souls aren't that good as giving you free +15% PvP damage just because you play more than someone else. You have to trade your normal (someone would wrongly call them PVE) souls points if you want to invest them in PvP.

Sure, you may do +15% damage with a PvP build but sacrificing what?. Everything subject to change but right now, the balance is well polished up to level 27. At higher levels, I don't know.

Taking the Warrior PvP soul for example: You may get +10% damage, but some warrior souls give you even more plus CC abilities plus massive damage plus anti-CC. So it will be more about what you want (even more CC at exchange of your damage, or even more anti-CC for even less damage, etc).

The awesome thing is you can change your build on the fly whenever is needed.

The potential I see in Rift, right now, is everything seems Overpowered at the eyes of a new player. Every soul has tools that give you an edge over your enemy but also give you a way to counter it. Rift will be (hopefully) more based on skill than gear/loot and/or a specific build.

 

[Xandax]

I checked with Rift and they confirmed me there is no fraud. They dind't confirm me openly because their publisher (Ubisoft) in Europe would get mad but if you want to pay less money, simply change your country to USA, Nevraska with proper ZIP code. You will purchase the digital version of the game 15€ cheaper.
<snip>

What kind of confirmation did you get?

 

[eksdee]

The article is very informative and well presented but I think it might lead to confusion about PvP imbalances.

PvP souls aren't that good as giving you free +15% PvP damage just because you play more than someone else. You have to trade your normal (someone would wrongly call them PVE) souls points if you want to invest them in PvP.

Sure, you may do +15% damage with a PvP build but sacrificing what?. Everything subject to change but right now, the balance is well polished up to level 27. At higher levels, I don't know.

Taking the Warrior PvP soul for example: You may get +10% damage, but some warrior souls give you even more plus CC abilities plus massive damage plus anti-CC. So it will be more about what you want (even more CC at exchange of your damage, or even more anti-CC for even less damage, etc).

The awesome thing is you can change your build on the fly whenever is needed.

The potential I see in Rift, right now, is everything seems Overpowered at the eyes of a new player. Every soul has tools that give you an edge over your enemy but also give you a way to counter it. Rift will be (hopefully) more based on skill than gear/loot and/or a specific build.

Well, I tried to make the point that as the game pans out, I could well be wrong. I was merely trying to present what has been a persistent complaint on the beta forums and why players would feel that way. It's not an opinion piece so much as it is trying to raise issues and (thankfully you think so) inform people of where the game is 'at' right now.

This is the first time I've ever written anything like this, especially for public consumption, so the criticism is much appreciated. I'll try to be a bit more clear in the future .

 

[Ctuchik]

I checked with Rift and they confirmed me there is no fraud. They dind't confirm me openly because their publisher (Ubisoft) in Europe would get mad but if you want to pay less money, simply change your country to USA, Nevraska with proper ZIP code. You will purchase the digital version of the game 15€ cheaper.

Well, its not really Trion thats making the calls here, its ubisoft. So Trion can say whatever they want about that and it won't make a single bit of difference if ubisoft says otherwise

Personally i'm rather safe then sorry and cut back on other fun stuff i use to do because next month its back to normal anyway, and i can probably live without whatever number of pints of beer the difference is

 

[eksdee]

We're going to be building a team for Rift and we're looking for a select few more players. If you're interested in 1fg PvP in Rift you can see our recruitment post here:

[EU] - Crowd Control - Close-knit HC PvP

 

[eksdee]

We ended up merging with the four of us into Bad Karma, so look for us under that guild tag from now on. We'll be running full group/2fg depending on what the action ends up being like in this game. Most likely two separate fgs that will come together to smash zergs when necessary.

Are any DAoC/War/Aion guilds/players from here moving to Aion other than those of us posting in this thread? It would be nice to try and converge upon the same server. We will be Guardians on a PvP server and our guild will be ~15 members or so.

Here's hoping Rift isn't just another flash in the pan, getting excited about release now .

 

[Agell]

Have just received a key that alledgedly can be used 25 for the next beta phase, starting Tuesday, PM me if you want a use of it

 

[BaTDiE]

25 people can use this key


PF7L-KFKZ-YDMC-GNWF-NYLP



Try the game out, beta 5 starts on 25th Jan

 

[Docmandu]

Another one: GEGT-Y9EQ-GG96-JK3D-TCXF

 

[~Latency~]

cheers for posting keys, will see if there's still any slots left tonight and download the client <33

 

[Mabs]

the login servers are getting hammered atm, loads of people cant connect, so no rush

 

[Mabs]

servers going down at 9pm for a "quick update" back about 9;30 (uk time)

 

[Agell]

Should still be some uses left on this one

PCM2-HRML-FDRQ-KFHH-QYE6

 

[Gwadien]

Should still be some uses left on this one

PCM2-HRML-FDRQ-KFHH-QYE6

Anyone got a VIP beta key spare?

 

[Ctuchik]

GLF9-KXGF-ZEZ2-QCGY-H23E

24 uses left

 

[eksdee]

Thoughts so far on B5? I'm enjoying the PvP broadly, though the healing at low levels feels pretty underpowered - seems to be long casts that heal a lot, but doesn't help much when marksmen are burning you down in 2-3gcds. We had some fun fights last night with 5vs20+ people and, while we get farmed a lot, we got quite some kills.

It's annoying as hell PvPing in a PvE zone though, especially when fighting bigger numbers since AoE'ing tends to end with you having a load of mobs on you as well as players.

Still can't decide what I want to play on release. Enjoying my Pyro, especially in Pyro/Dom spec for mass utility, but the GCD is horrifically limiting and the AoE feels rather underpowered as it is so easy to avoid and costs so much mana.

Our warrior(s) are complaining about being perma-snared, and there is no immunity to snares either. They do great damage and have nice utility, though.

Anyone playing a Bard? Would really like to test one out in group to see if it makes a good second healer/support DPS.

 

[Cyradix]

Curse gaming is also giving away lots of keys : Rift Beta - Curse

 

[Ctuchik]

It's annoying as hell PvPing in a PvE zone though, especially when fighting bigger numbers since AoE'ing tends to end with you having a load of mobs on you as well as players.

So be good at pvp instead of relying on AE's?

 

[eksdee]

Irony considering you're the one crying about CC in DAoC then talking about 'being good in PvP'. When fighting 1fg v. many you need to AoE sometimes, you aren't going to ST kill everything. It was possible in DAoC with a kite group since you could CC properly, in this game it lasts ~10s at most - at least from what we've seen so far - so AoE is needed at times.

 

[Ctuchik]

Oh for crying out really fucking loud, i was joking. How many smileys do you need for it to go through?

Did i unintentionally hit a nerve or something?