Red Guard, When are you going to stop using RADAR

[stunned]

Originally posted by Tyka
Whatever, as i said whine all you want i dont care. My point has been proofed and that's the people in RG to see this, that's enough for me. And i really hope the mid people who know about this will do something about it.

Know about what, post after post You STATE we are cheaters. Get a friggin life or something.

Ask anyone in a larger guild, like LA, Vengeance, NP or in this case RG. If you move with 2 FG guildmembers You will move around alot since You have to or You wil get overrun by the big zerg. You also /stick up faster and move due to knowing the ppl You play with.

There are also some places "safer" to rest then others, maybe that is where You were caught, thinking those routes were safe.

As for using radar in Emain its a laughable thougt, like there is a shortage of enemies in the area.

Try consider things like this before offending a whole guild just because You got killed a few times.

 

[Jiggs]

well we have sandwiched them in mmg by hiding groups on mid side...

so it seems a little unlikely

though i guess if only one or two people are using it, it depends on who is driving at the time...

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by stunned

Ask anyone in a larger guild, like LA, Vengeance, NP or in this case RG.

eh wtf... LA has like max 30 members, veng a bit more, veng has half the members NP has and RG has 2 times more than NP

 

[Amadon]

From most other people I'd laugh at a post like this, but imo Tyka wouldn't post something like this just based on a suspiscion. He's one of the most experienced players in Hibernia, and while sometimes I wonder about how easily certain guilds seem to arrive at the right place just at the right time, I don't really have enough experience to accuse anyone. Tyka on the other hand does have the experience and the knowledge of the game. Those of you who think he's whining about getting owned, I think you should try read his posts with an open mind instead of letting your guilt or hate blind you to what he's saying. How exactly would you suggest that you prove someone is using radar? Since it's highly unlikely that you'll get a confession, it's basically impossible to prove.

 

[Einsi]

Originally posted by Eleasias
eh wtf... LA has like max 30 members, veng a bit more, veng has half the members NP has and RG has 2 times more than NP

according to daoc-stats.de NP have 58 members and RG have 72...

58*2=116 not 72..... >

 

[stunned]

Originally posted by Amadon
From most other people I'd laugh at a post like this, but imo Tyka wouldn't post something like this just based on a suspiscion. He's one of the most experienced players in Hibernia, and while sometimes I wonder about how easily certain guilds seem to arrive at the right place just at the right time, I don't really have enough experience to accuse anyone. Tyka on the other hand does have the experience and the knowledge of the game. Those of you who think he's whining about getting owned, I think you should try read his posts with an open mind instead of letting your guilt or hate blind you to what he's saying. How exactly would you suggest that you prove someone is using radar? Since it's highly unlikely that you'll get a confession, it's basically impossible to prove.

Fair enough. However his title suggest RG as a guild is using radar to find enemies in emain. Like we are following one person using it wich is the driver.

This is plain and simple BS and very offensive. Ofcourse I have no fucking clue who uses radar in DaOC. We do however not commence in the matter Tyka suggests.

Imo this turned out to a RG sucks post just becasue we might have overrun a few of You one time to many for your liking ... right ?

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by Amadon
From most other people I'd laugh at a post like this, but imo Tyka wouldn't post something like this just based on a suspiscion. He's one of the most experienced players in Hibernia, and while sometimes I wonder about how easily certain guilds seem to arrive at the right place just at the right time, I don't really have enough experience to accuse anyone. Tyka on the other hand does have the experience and the knowledge of the game. Those of you who think he's whining about getting owned, I think you should try read his posts with an open mind instead of letting your guilt or hate blind you to what he's saying. How exactly would you suggest that you prove someone is using radar? Since it's highly unlikely that you'll get a confession, it's basically impossible to prove.

How about taking your own advice.

Read the posts with an open mind and don't let personal experience with Tyka could your judgement.
Tyka might be an experienced player in Hibernia, and RG might be cheating, but this is actually quite besides the point.

Person A accuses Guild B of cheating withouth any kind of "proof" other then Guild B seems to arrive at bad timeing for Person A.
This is the statement I'm attacking here.
I don't really care what people think of each other and their personal feeling toward RG (I'm not RG, btw, and never have been) - what I do care about is the fact that somebody can come here and spew out statements without any factual evidence with a conviction that resembles a crusade. And this is regardless of realm, person, class and guilds.
Tyka can be ever so conviced that they cheat - but trying to advocate that view without any kind of prof other then "experience" is just a low character attack as far as I see it.

How to get poof of radar programs I do not know - but then maybe you should talk to GOA instead. I bet they have some kind of way to find out if people move mysteriously.

Post here when you are sure - so we all can mock the cheaters. (cheaters sucks - every last one of them)
But untill you are sure [read: can prove it] keep it between yourself and GOA.
Otherwise I don't care how experienced that player is - this is the attitude and behavoir of a "n00b" posting yet another "I've been owned" thread.

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by Amadon
From most other people I'd laugh at a post like this, but imo Tyka wouldn't post something like this just based on a suspiscion.

Actually, that is exactly what he is doing.

Or well...many suspicions maybe, but still only suspicions.

 

[Tyka]

Thank you Amadon, wise words from a wise man.

Just wanted to tell you, Goa can't do anything about this matter, i can't send an email telling these and these people are cheating, try it yourself and you will know what i mean. I asked you people for a better idea and i have thought of all other possibilites, this is the way my msg can go through to the persons who cheat, if you don't or do not i cant "proof" in the way you want, but i can proof it with my own experience and same with other guild members.

Noiam btw, welcome to an adult conversation.

 

[Tigerius]

Originally posted by stunned

Ask anyone in a larger guild, like LA, Vengeance, NP or in this case RG. If you move with 2 FG guildmembers You will move around alot since You have to or You wil get overrun by the big zerg.

Hate to break it to you guys but you ARE the big zerg these days.

 

[Tyka]

Not sure what you mean with suspicions, this is a STATEMENT from me, and it's aimed at whoever was using this program to find the enemies in emain.

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

Originally posted by poppamies
Newer sawn anyone in RG use radar, as a fact all i spoken to in RG hate radar users, and think its lame.
So wtf are u talking about ?
Where did u get the impression we are using radar ?
Before posting anything make sure u got something to backup ur words.
Newer been in a grp with radar, and if i would id leave the grp.
We run around in emain looking hibs/albs, we know the routs around emain ppl tend to take, that why we find u guys out there.
So next time just stfu ok.

lmao, well no offence but I´m pretty sure that the guys useing radar(if some1 does) don´t tell they use radar or other exploites...

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by Tyka


Noiam btw, welcome to an adult conversation.

Thx, I think I will start another adult conversation with title VENGEANCE CHEATS!!!!

Or something like that, very adult, and all that.

 

[StormriderX]

I don't believe they use radar - after all emain isnt exactly full of hiding places/very big etc. They do bring large numbers tho

 

[Cloak_]

Originally posted by Tyka

And its fun to hear people like Forrest, etc and whoever that have no clue about how things work comment on this

I quote the name of h drummer in the muppets therefore I know nothing about how things work

I just think you should play the game as is,, the cheaters (if any) will get bord and move on to another game.

You have no proof of anybody using radars (and its impossible to get proof other than GOA placing dummy markers in hills and such)

But saying I have no idea how these things work is just b/s Tyka, if your gonna quote players names dont just quote 1 - thats discrimination

 

[Tyka]

Whatever, i have no proof but im doing my best to stop it, and when people ruin the fun in the game dont expect me to stand back, if you had any clue about what you were talking about you would'nt come with comments like you did before.

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Xandax
How about taking your own advice.

I do

Read the posts with an open mind and don't let personal experience with Tyka could your judgement.

If I did based on my initial experiences with him I would be flaming him here, ergo my above statement.

Tyka might be an experienced player in Hibernia, and RG might be cheating, but this is actually quite besides the point.

no it's precisely the point. His statements have more weight and probability of being true than the average person out there due to his experience.

Person A accuses Guild B of cheating withouth any kind of "proof" other then Guild B seems to arrive at bad timeing for Person A.
This is the statement I'm attacking here.

and that's the statement you're mis-interprating
it's the recurrence of the aforesaid event beyond the point where it can be written off as luck or coincidence that results in the accusation, not the aforesaid event itself. Subtle but important difference.

I don't really care what people think of each other and their personal feeling toward RG (I'm not RG, btw, and never have been) - what I do care about is the fact that somebody can come here and spew out statements without any factual evidence with a conviction that resembles a crusade. And this is regardless of realm, person, class and guilds.

I could launch into a philosophical debate about what facts are and whether they exist in any absolute manner, but I won't. You ahve a perspective of reality and all your experience is based on an interpretation of what your senses tell you. This means that all your thoughts, ideas and paradigms are relative and subjective, which in turn means that all "facts" are just concepts that people hold to be true due to a lack of counter-evidence and overwhelming recurrence of events which suggest that these facts are true within your frame of reference. This is different to Tyka's accusation only in scale and breadth of adoption, the underlying concept is identical.

Tyka can be ever so conviced that they cheat - but trying to advocate that view without any kind of prof other then "experience" is just a low character attack as far as I see it.

read above, wrong place to explain it further if you don't get it, and I don't have time to engage in a discussion of that magnitude at present. If you disagree then so be it.

How to get poof of radar programs I do not know - but then maybe you should talk to GOA instead. I bet they have some kind of way to find out if people move mysteriously.

I highly doubt that.

Post here when you are sure - so we all can mock the cheaters. (cheaters sucks - every last one of them)
But untill you are sure [read: can prove it] keep it between yourself and GOA.
Otherwise I don't care how experienced that player is - this is the attitude and behavoir of a "n00b" posting yet another "I've been owned" thread.

I think he was just asking them not to use it because he realises the futility of trying to obtain "proof", not to mock them.

btw, I don't think RG suck at all, and nor does Tyka if you read his posts.

 

[Murbank]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
read:

We run around in emain looking hibs/albs <at amg or mmg>, we know the routs around emain ppl tend to take <to get from amg or mmg>, that why we find u guys out there <when we are camping amg or mmg>.

hahaha

 

[Cloak_]

Originally posted by Tyka
Whatever, i have no proof but im doing my best to stop it, and when people ruin the fun in the game dont expect me to stand back, if you had any clue about what you were talking about you would'nt come with comments like you did before.

Its a free forum I can post whatever I like yea?

I read the forums to chill a little after a playing session, so will not be drawn into a flaming session about wether RG uses radar.

Give me your reasons why you think they are using it.

 

[Sibanac]

Just a small question to all those yelling 'give proof'.
How the hell can you prove sameone is using radar ?

 

[Cloak_]

I did post it was impossible to gain proof from a players pov.

Therefore all we have to go on is accusations and reasons why,

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by Amadon
<snip>
no it's precisely the point. His statements have more weight and probability of being true than the average person out there due to his experience.
<snip>

Experience is not equal validation.
You can trust an experienced player more, sure, but statements and accusations gain nothing futher validation just due to it. On the contrary, I would think that an experienced person might follow protocol a bit more, and by failing to do so shows lack of experience.
Thoese of us that have been around since beta surly knows what to do if you expect cheaters. That is report to GOA.
Maybe GOA can't do anything - fine - but comming here and throwing around accusations without posting anything but but:
after all this time playing this game, I can tell you guys definetly using some kind of radar.
is surly not the mark of an experienced player, it is the mark of somebody that got "owned in Emain".

Originally posted by Amadon
<snip>
and that's the statement you're mis-interprating
it's the recurrence of the aforesaid event beyond the point where it can be written off as luck or coincidence that results in the accusation, not the aforesaid event itself. Subtle but important difference.

This is just plain silly.
So if you get "lucky" twice in a row and start seeing a pattern to enemies behavior, and adapt to it - you are cheating?
Emain is not big. Emain is not complex. And with all the FGs running around it is impossible to not stumple on somebody that have just used their purges, insta heals etc.
And when you indeed have played this game some - you will find that people tend to behave in the same patters.
If I once find a person resting some place, I will make sure to check that place 2-3-4 times in a row just to see if there is (another) person resting there. If not - I will ignore it for a while, if there is - I will adapt my movement patters to check it frequently.
This way I've killed sevelral resting people in RvR - and seeing as it is a reccurance - I must be cheating?

Originally posted by Amadon
<snip>
I could launch into a philosophical debate about what facts are and whether they exist in any absolute manner, but I won't. You ahve a perspective of reality and all your experience is based on an interpretation of what your senses tell you. This means that all your thoughts, ideas and paradigms are relative and subjective, which in turn means that all "facts" are just concepts that people hold to be true due to a lack of counter-evidence and overwhelming recurrence of events which suggest that these facts are true within your frame of reference. This is different to Tyka's accusation only in scale and breadth of adoption, the underlying concept is identical.

So if you so strongly belive facts are relative then how can you accept a statement as firmly as:
after all this time playing this game, I can tell you guys definetly using some kind of radar.
without any explanation other then the foundation in one persons belif of how other people play this game.

Originally posted by Amadon
<snip>
I think he was just asking them not to use it because he realises the futility of trying to obtain "proof", not to mock them.

Tyka wants RG to stop cheating? So RG is guilty until proven innocent, is this how it works these days?
Oh yeah - I forgot - they are guilty cause Tykas experience in this game says they are.

Originally posted by Amadon
<snip>
btw, I don't think RG suck at all, and nor does Tyka if you read his posts.

I don't think Tyka sucks - I think Tykas accusations and "guilty until proven innocent"-attitude suck.


Statements and accusations such as have been presented in this thread are little more then character attacks.
Somebody got killed in RvR, and I don't care how often it is posted he doesn't care about this, but all subseqent posting points to that exact fact - that he didn't like it.

 

[froler-mid]

SOO MUCH BORING TEXT IMO.



:kissit::kissit::kissit::kissit:

 

[old.Xanthian]

RG - lame.

Quit the zerg and fight like men not like noobs.

 

[stunned]

Originally posted by old.Xanthian
RG - lame.

Quit the zerg and fight like men not like noobs.

hehe what a guy !

 

[old.Xanthian]

Originally posted by stunned
hehe what a guy !

Thankyou, pity the feelings aren't mutual.

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Xandax
Experience is not equal validation.
You can trust an experienced player more, sure, but statements and accusations gain nothing futher validation just due to it. On the contrary, I would think that an experienced person might follow protocol a bit more, and by failing to do so shows lack of experience.
Thoese of us that have been around since beta surly knows what to do if you expect cheaters. That is report to GOA.

Perhaps the fact that he didn't follow protocol says something. If you are one of the people that value tradition highly for it's own sake, good for you. I don't.

Maybe GOA can't do anything - fine - but comming here and throwing around accusations without posting anything but but:
after all this time playing this game, I can tell you guys definetly using some kind of radar.
is surly not the mark of an experienced player, it is the mark of somebody that got "owned in Emain".

you wish to see it in that light, that's not the message that Tyka wished to convey. I cannot stop you from interprating anything in any way you choose, so feel free to continue to read what you want to read rather than what is meant.

This is just plain silly.
So if you get "lucky" twice in a row and start seeing a pattern to enemies behavior, and adapt to it - you are cheating?
Emain is not big. Emain is not complex. And with all the FGs running around it is impossible to not stumple on somebody that have just used their purges, insta heals etc.
And when you indeed have played this game some - you will find that people tend to behave in the same patters.
If I once find a person resting some place, I will make sure to check that place 2-3-4 times in a row just to see if there is (another) person resting there. If not - I will ignore it for a while, if there is - I will adapt my movement patters to check it frequently.
This way I've killed sevelral resting people in RvR - and seeing as it is a reccurance - I must be cheating?

and perhaps the groups that Tyka runs in know this and don't rest in the same spot, and move in a manner that is not predictable precisely for this reason, and the groups he runs in are experienced and realise when they may be running in patterns and dont' do so, and perhaps it's more than a double occurrence. Your point is farcicle.

So if you so strongly belive facts are relative then how can you accept a statement as firmly as:
after all this time playing this game, I can tell you guys definetly using some kind of radar.
without any explanation other then the foundation in one persons belif of how other people play this game.

I accept that that's Tyka's perspective on it. My own perspective is similar due to my own experiences, and since his experiences seem to match up to mine, it further validates my belief to myself.

Tyka wants RG to stop cheating? So RG is guilty until proven innocent, is this how it works these days?
Oh yeah - I forgot - they are guilty cause Tykas experience in this game says they are.

In Tyke's perspective they are cheating. If they value his regard they will perhaps examine their actions and be more suspicious about the apparent luck their drivers have in locating enemies. If they don't value his regard they will ignore him.

Statements and accusations such as have been presented in this thread are little more then character attacks.
Somebody got killed in RvR, and I don't care how often it is posted he doesn't care about this, but all subseqent posting points to that exact fact - that he didn't like it.

the underlined part indicates myopia.
You read things in the way they want to, as I said, you're more than welcome to do so, but at least realise what you're doing, or don't.. who am I to try impose my perspectives on anyone else.

 

[stunned]

Originally posted by old.Xanthian
Thankyou, pity the feelings aren't mutual.

You are not worth any feelings, so don´t sweat it.

 

[Subbiz]

I sense a
:bazbeer:

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by Amadon
<snip>
In Tyke's perspective they are cheating. If they value his regard they will perhaps examine their actions and be more suspicious about the apparent luck their drivers have in locating enemies. If they don't value his regard they will ignore him.
<snip>

So because Tyka (knows) belives RG is cheating - RG needs to examine their actions?

Oh please....

Why is it RG that is cheating - and not Tyka and group that sucks at moving around Emain?
And don't acredit it to experience - I know many of people in RG that I've seen around since game went live - so they can be just as experienced as Tyka and co.

Again - you can't call people cheaters without backing up your stories. And "I know they are cheating" is not valid.

Originally posted by Amadon
<snip>
you wish to see it in that light, that's not the message that Tyka wished to convey. I cannot stop you from interprating anything in any way you choose, so feel free to continue to read what you want to read rather than what is meant.<snip>

I don't read what I want to read.... I read what people write, big difference.
And yes I interpet things - but that is because I don't buy various statements/accusations as truths unless there is some information to back up things.