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[Moriath]

Actually, they're statistically likely to have an untreated drug habit - a problem the decriminalisation of their drug of choice would lead to alleviating (as has happened in other countries).

But of course, we could kneecap them. That would leave an untreated drug addict with an additional phyical disability. Which, of course, is something we should all be striving for.

Go IRA! :waveflag:

At least they wouldnt be able to climb a fence if they had their knees broken lol

 

[TdC]

Sorry to hear Zarjazz. Hope you will be ok and the insurance is in a good mood chumlar.

 

[Trem]

Actually, they're statistically likely to have an untreated drug habit - a problem the decriminalisation of their drug of choice would lead to alleviating (as has happened in other countries).

But of course, we could kneecap them. That would leave an untreated drug addict with an additional phyical disability. Which, of course, is something we should all be striving for.

Go IRA! :waveflag:

Yeah I have loads of sympathy, you're right.

I am also assuming they are smackheads, would you be feeling the same if it was your house they had robbed (you will say you do for the argument win)? I couldn't give a fuck about facts and figures from other countries those countries will still have drug addicts robbing people and killing OAP's. Before you go on and do a Russell Brand, no they don't all have a reason for it, no not all of them are damaged or got fingered as a kid, I have lost 2 mates because of heroin and both had awesome childhoods and were going places when they left school.

You are some sort of fucked up uber hippy sometimes @Scouse.

 

[Ormorof]

Ah that sucks ive been burgled twice ; (

First time they got my room mates laptop second time (in a different house) all they stole was two boxes of crap i was planning on throwing out

But the feelong of someone having that kind of access to your home is awful

 

[Scouse]

I am also assuming they are smackheads, would you be feeling the same if it was your house they had robbed (you will say you do for the argument win)

You are some sort of fucked up uber hippy sometimes @Scouse.

On the numerous occasions I've been burgled (three times) my emotional response was indeed to hate the cunts who did that.

However, I don't think you can say it's "hippy" to intellectually understand that most of this sort of crime is caused by drug use - and the way to combat that crime is to combat that drug use.

Nowhere in my post have I sympathised russel-brand style with the thieves - I just want a practical solution to solve the problem of drug addicts stealing to feed their habits.

I'm not trying to be nasty when I say the two mates you lost were dicks (see, I don't overly-sympathise) - but the evidence suggests that wouldn't have died if heroin was decriminalised and they got treatment for their addiction.


Emotional responses to problems don't solve them. Practical solutions do.

 

[Fweddy]

I was thinking about this yesterday when I read that Ireland is decriminalising loads of drugs.

I wonder if you could set up some kind of system where if a doctor certified you as a heroin addict you could get free heroin administered by a nurse and the offer of treatment on the NHS. Drug dealers would lose interest in getting people on heroin because there'd be no profit in it for them so it would soon become difficult to get hold of unless you were all ready on it, addicts would have safe access and be able to get clean if they wanted, and the rest of us wouldn't be getting robbed by people trying to fund their habit. Would that be such a bad system?

 

[Trem]

On the numerous occasions I've been burgled (three times) my emotional response was indeed to hate the cunts who did that.

However, I don't think you can say it's "hippy" to intellectually understand that most of this sort of crime is caused by drug use - and the way to combat that crime is to combat that drug use.

Nowhere in my post have I sympathised russel-brand style with the thieves - I just want a practical solution to solve the problem of drug addicts stealing to feed their habits.

I'm not trying to be nasty when I say the two mates you lost were dicks (see, I don't overly-sympathise) - but the evidence suggests that wouldn't have died if heroin was decriminalised and they got treatment for their addiction.


Emotional responses to problems don't solve them. Practical solutions do.

I said *before* you go all Russell Brand.

My mates died while getting treatment, methodone, they overdosed on it. One of them I really liked and I see his mum often now and she is still utterly devastated by it as are his sisters so yes I will also agree that he was silly. He didn't rob anybody though, he worked to fund his habit.

Edit - Actually my mates were an example of why they won't or don't want to legalise marijuana I guess. They started on that, then wanted more of a kick so tried the next thing and it spiralled, quite a large group of them.

I did weed for a year every day then just stopped but I never wanted more, acid scared me, I just never liked the thought of never being in control. I tried some weed again, erm maybe last year because I wanted to quit drinking but wanted another way to get to sleep. I obviously put too much in (skunk) and it kept me awake until about 4am because I thought I was going to die and the room wouldn't stop spinning, I won't do that again. The next night I had a beer

 

[Gwadien]

I said *before* you go all Russell Brand.

My mates died while getting treatment, methodone, they overdosed on it. One of them I really liked and I see his mum often now and she is still utterly devastated by it as are his sisters so yes I will also agree that he was silly. He didn't rob anybody though, he worked to fund his habit.

Edit - Actually my mates were an example of why they won't or don't want to legalise marijuana I guess. They started on that, then wanted more of a kick so tried the next thing and it spiralled, quite a large group of them.

I did weed for a year every day then just stopped but I never wanted more, acid scared me, I just never liked the thought of never being in control. I tried some weed again, erm maybe last year because I wanted to quit drinking but wanted another way to get to sleep. I obviously put too much in (skunk) and it kept me awake until about 4am because I thought I was going to die and the room wouldn't stop spinning, I won't do that again. The next night I had a beer

Personally, I think the whole 'gateway' drug is purely because it's a rebellious thing to do, and its very accessible anyway.

Sure, you might be right, it will remain a gateway drug for a very long time, but once you cut out the 'rebellious' factor after a few years, because people are like meh, it's like drinking or cigarettes now, the gateway factor will disappear.

 

[Scouse]

Nicotine and alcohol are gateway drugs. The proven method of stopping people moving up the path is by decriminalisation.

/continuetodroneonandbeatthebrokendrum etc. etc. etc.

 

[Raven]

Personally, I think the whole 'gateway' drug is purely because it's a rebellious thing to do, and its very accessible anyway.

Sure, you might be right, it will remain a gateway drug for a very long time, but once you cut out the 'rebellious' factor after a few years, because people are like meh, it's like drinking or cigarettes now, the gateway factor will disappear.

I didn't smoke weed because it was cool, I smoked it because it was nice (I used to smoke loads of weed in my teens/early twenties, well over £100 a week on it) I didn't move onto stronger stuff and neither did any of my fellow smokers. I still have the odd joint if someone has some on the go, certainly when camping. Fine wines and real ales are my thing now (though I can only drink a few beers before I feel ill these days)

Also, whether or not it is illegal is irrelevant, if people want it, they will get it and in my experience, even 20 years ago, the police couldn't give a toss about small amounts.

 

[Gwadien]

I didn't smoke weed because it was cool, I smoked it because it was nice (I used to smoke loads of weed in my teens/early twenties, well over £100 a week on it) I didn't move onto stronger stuff and neither did any of my fellow smokers. I still have the odd joint if someone has some on the go, certainly when camping. Fine wines and real ales are my thing now (though I can only drink a few beers before I feel ill these days)

Also, whether or not it is illegal is irrelevant, if people want it, they will get it and in my experience, even 20 years ago, the police couldn't give a toss about small amounts.

Yes, but you didn't move onto heavier drugs.

 

[Raven]

No, and neither did anyone else I know.

Weed is not a gateway drug, not for everyone and certainly not for the majority. You would be amazed how many people smoke weed, from all walks of life. The fact that it is illegal makes no difference except a huge wedge of potential tax income goes into criminals pockets.

 

[Gwadien]

Oh aye, I smoke weed too, I even got my dealer from @Scouse he's a top fellow.

My point is that Weed is a gate-way drug to some because of the fact it's illegal, so you go into other illegal things, but once it becomes legalised, it will be as much as a gate way drug as alcohol or cigarettes.

 

[Scouse]

Just because you try weed doesn't mean you're going to "move on". That's an individual's propensity to do that.

However, because you have to buy weed from a pusher you automatically have very easy access to harder drugs and some people are going to opt to try them. Most not. But that contact provides those with a desire to do that the gateway to do it. Simple as that.

I think the fact that people are trying to find a causal effect, rather than just realising that some people will always want to experience different things, is the problem with all this "gateway" shite...



Edit: BTW - I don't smoke weed any more - only did for a short time anyway. It's no good for my motivation. I know people who do and it doesn't bother me or them in the slightest and they steer well clear of most other drugs.

 

[Gwadien]

Just because you try weed doesn't mean you're going to "move on". That's an individual's propensity to do that.

However, because you have to buy weed from a pusher you automatically have very easy access to harder drugs and some people are going to opt to try them. Most not. But that contact provides those with a desire to do that the gateway to do it. Simple as that.

I think the fact that people are trying to find a causal effect, rather than just realising that some people will always want to experience different things, is the problem with all this "gateway" shite...



Edit: BTW - I don't smoke weed any more - only did for a short time anyway. It's no good for my motivation. I know people who do and it doesn't bother me or them in the slightest and they steer well clear of most other drugs.

I've always wanted to try shrooms, but I'm lazy and I don't know anyone who has any, but I could probably find some.

If a dealer said 'wanna try these?' Maybe I would, maybe I wouldn't, however, I doubt you'd get that kind of stuff in a highly regulated legal marijuana shop.

 

[Scouse]

I've always wanted to try shrooms

They were great. Tried them a few times in the dam (before the christian democrats got in and banned them for being too damn harmless). They used to sell them in Ice9 in Nottingham.

Thing about shrooms is that a bad trip is down to you and the people you're with. If you're scared and apprehensive or with people who say negative things then your mind becomes very one track - and amplifes those feelings. So if you're that kind of person, then you shouldn't touch them.

IF you're wandering around relaxed, having fun, then they're fucking awesome

 

[Zarjazz]

Sorry to hear that Zarj, I take it you have moved then from the flat to somewhere else?

Unfortunately I had to move a while back as that sweet deal couldn't last forever. I feel like moving again after this.

 

[Deebs]

Unfortunately I had to move a while back as that sweet deal couldn't last forever. I feel like moving again after this.

Still in London?

 

[old.user4556]

The proven method of stopping people moving up the path is by decriminalisation.

This.

Yes, but you didn't move onto heavier drugs.

No, and neither did anyone else I know.

Just because you try weed doesn't mean you're going to "move on".

These.

I can think of many individuals I've met (most recently, my missus' little sister) who drink sparingly, don't smoke (tobacco or weed), but happy to do an E or speed at the weekend.

I'm a non smoker, but I've smoked a few cigars in my life (celebratory moments), I would never habitually smoke cigarettes, but I am very interested in trying weed purely to see what all the fuss is about.

 

[Gwadien]

I think the council has an offer on for public transport and as a result the theatre goers are kicking seats on busses too

 

[Scouse]

I think the council has an offer on for public transport and as a result the theatre goers are kicking seats on busses too

So?

 

[Gwadien]

So?

I hate the middle classes

 

[TdC]

do they point at your shorts, scuffed hand-me-down adult shoes and beaten up top-hat?

 

[Gwadien]

do they point at your shorts, scuffed hand-me-down adult shoes and beaten up top-hat?

Yes

 

[DaGaffer]

I hate the middle classes

 

[Moriath]

 

[TdC]

spending all weekend writing code, actually following the developer's docs for a change. result: it doesn't work. anyone know anything about Hibernate 5?

 

[caLLous]

Like a more chilled version of Maroon 5 or...?

 

[TdC]

it's actually fairly typical of me to fail at a chance to hibernate :-(

 

[caLLous]

I was going to suggest going and taking a nap and then coming back to it.