Queens visit to Ireland

[Punishment]

Just looking for the British/International perspective on this, a 500lb bomb was found on a van on the border today.

Maybe it's a little early for this kind of thing ? Personally im of the opinion that it just gives troublemakers on both sides a chance to cause trouble and generally from where i live alot of people are having a general bad feeling about it, not in any sort of religious or patriotic way but genuine fear for a woman in her twilight years.

Thoughts ?

 

[Cerb]

Armchair republican wet dreams tbfh. Who actually cares nowadays?

Might as well get over it. If blacks people in America aren't getting any pity wer sure as hell won't.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm not sure what opinion you're looking for.

Should someone off the queen? Outside the whole "killing someone isn't very nice", i wouldn't really care, it's akin to diana dying, it's just not in the brain to care of such around here(kinda like old down the street croaking).

From a professional assassin POV? It's just ridicilous that the art is pretty much lost now and all they do s blow sh*t up.

Not that i agree with killing, but if you're going to do it regardless of an internet opinion, atleast show some decency to the one you're doing it to.

 

[Raven]

They have always been cowards though. I wouldn't expect the terrorists to actually fight. Far easier to just blow random people up.

 

[tierk]

Not sure who has advised Her Majesty on this trip but he must be a complete tit. Why on earth would they want to put her in so much danger?

What purpose does it serve?

With the murder of Lord Mountbatten i would have thought that Ireland would have been firmly removed off the list of places for the Royals to visit?

Stupid, stupid stupid.

 

[Gwadien]

Not sure who has advised Her Majesty on this trip but he must be a complete tit. Why on earth would they want to put her in so much danger?

What purpose does it serve?

With the murder of Lord Mountbatten i would have thought that Ireland would have been firmly removed off the list of places for the Royals to visit?

Stupid, stupid stupid.

You see, in a way, I agree, but in another way, I disagree, it shows that Britain still wants relations with Ireland, the Queen visits other ex-colony countries all the time, why should Ireland be any different?

the 'terrorists' don't prove a huge threat imo, compared to what they did 20-30 years ago. Just beef up the security, and she'll be fine

 

[cHodAX]

She should go, this shit needs to be put to bed once and for all. Britain and Ireland are not enemies, despite what a few nutters might have you believe. Her going over the water is symbol of the friendship that we need to grow, she is NOT going to conquer or try force people to change religion, all that shit is over a century in the past and has already been apologised for to some extent.

 

[Gwadien]

 

[tierk]

Imagine something does happen and the Queen is injured or worse killed, what effect will that have on the entire peace process?

I understand the idea behind it and the sentiment also but think it is probably not the best time to be doing this, in particular as there seems to be a resurgence of Republican violence very recently.

Is it worth jeopardising what has already been a very long and complicated peace process for the sake of saying what is already known?

Maybe in ten or twenty years time, great idea but ffs there are a whole heap of retarded people - on both sides i might add - out there still looking for any excuse to go back to the way it was before, why on earth even open that as a remote possibility?

 

[Will]

Imagine something does happen and the Queen is injured or worse killed, what effect will that have on the entire peace process?

I honestly think this would accelerate the peace process due to the huge backlash that it would generate.

 

[Gwadien]

I honestly think this would accelerate the peace process due to the huge backlash that it would generate.

Indeed, I also don't think it would help, let's face it, there's a peace process going on atm, but the terrorists are actually making it go 1 step forward and 2 steps back... so if they managed to assasinate the Queen, it'd go 1 step forward, and 200 steps back, it would be such a stupid thing to do, but then again, look at the cause to World War One :|

 

[Will]

No, you have me backwards. It would help the peace process imo as the moderate republicans would try to distance themselves from the attempt. Similar to the backlash against ETA relatively recently.

 

[Punishment]

Cerb you misunderstand me completely im not an armchair republican of any sort nor do i wish for anyone to be hurt, what im saying it presents alot more pitfalls than anything else.

Ireland and Britain have always had great relations as we are pretty much one and the same at this stage, i hope it all goes really well but it smacks of Orange marches going through republican villages with no intention of anything but getting peoples backs up.

Oh well only time will tell, im just glad i started the discussion to get people talking as there is such a strong taboo about it generally.

 

[Cerb]

I was drunk when I posted that Jim so I think i got the wrong message

 

[cHodAX]

No, you have me backwards. It would help the peace process imo as the moderate republicans would try to distance themselves from the attempt. Similar to the backlash against ETA relatively recently.

Spot on, it would be the nail in the coffin of militant republicanism, they all need to fuck off back to 1916 and leave the peace loving people of these islands alone. No one gives a shit if you are protestant, catholic or gingers ffs, it is 2011!

 

[rynnor]

Why would the Irish want to blow up that nice old german lady who married that crazy greek guy anyway?

 

[cHodAX]

Cerb you misunderstand me completely im not an armchair republican of any sort nor do i wish for anyone to be hurt, what im saying it presents alot more pitfalls than anything else.

Ireland and Britain have always had great relations as we are pretty much one and the same at this stage, i hope it all goes really well but it smacks of Orange marches going through republican villages with no intention of anything but getting peoples backs up.

Oh well only time will tell, im just glad i started the discussion to get people talking as there is such a strong taboo about it generally.

Let me give you my perception of relations between modern day Irish and English people. When they are amongst their own they bitch about each other, some English feel smug and superior compared to the Irish when infact they aren't and a great many Irish people tend to have a chip on thier shoulder because they think all English people are like those I mentioned above when they truth is most English people don't really care about Ireland in the same way they don't care about Scotland or Wales until it is Football/Rugby time.

As an English born son of an Irish couple I have spent alot of time in both communities and countries. Of course that doesn't give me a unique perspective on the situation but it has allowed me to see the issues from both sides and frankly it is all bullshit. Stick two Irish men in a room with two English men and there won't be any trouble, they will end up talking about the football and having a pint. The problems only arise when you let the nutters in the room, the same idiots who proclaim to be religious but would cut your throat to prove their point and we have them on both sides, violent nutters are not unique to these islands but by god we don't halve produce plenty of them. These inbred fuckers are all the same, anything for a fight against anyone they don't like or understand. It is the same story with the republican militants now, for the first time in generations the ordinary people on both sides of the border are prospering (at least compared to what they did have) but that peace leaves the militants without a bullshit cause to fight for and so they claim to have the support of the 'oppressed people' and fight on regardless because come what may they will always need a target, fighting the pointless fight is in thier DNA.

I live Ireland, I love England, both great countries with great people but unfortunately sadly with an ungodly number of fuckwits for whom nothing is more important than finding someone to fight.

 

[Punishment]

There will always be Lunatics looking for a cause to justify their actions

 

[DaGaffer]

Let me give you my perception of relations between modern day Irish and English people. When they are amongst their own they bitch about each other, some English feel smug and superior compared to the Irish when infact they aren't and a great many Irish people tend to have a chip on thier shoulder because they think all English people are like those I mentioned above when they truth is most English people don't really care about Ireland in the same way they don't care about Scotland or Wales until it is Football/Rugby time.

As an English born son of an Irish couple I have spent alot of time in both communities and countries. Of course that doesn't give me a unique perspective on the situation but it has allowed me to see the issues from both sides and frankly it is all bullshit. Stick two Irish men in a room with two English men and there won't be any trouble, they will end up talking about the football and having a pint. The problems only arise when you let the nutters in the room, the same idiots who proclaim to be religious but would cut your throat to prove their point and we have them on both sides, violent nutters are not unique to these islands but by god we don't halve produce plenty of them. These inbred fuckers are all the same, anything for a fight against anyone they don't like or understand. It is the same story with the republican militants now, for the first time in generations the ordinary people on both sides of the border are prospering (at least compared to what they did have) but that peace leaves the militants without a bullshit cause to fight for and so they claim to have the support of the 'oppressed people' and fight on regardless because come what may they will always need a target, fighting the pointless fight is in thier DNA.

I live Ireland, I love England, both great countries with great people but unfortunately sadly with an ungodly number of fuckwits for whom nothing is more important than finding someone to fight.

I agree with all this, up to a point. The problem is that "The North" is like an itch even the most tolerant Irish person can't help but scratch (its right there in the description; no-one says "Northern Ireland", they always say, "The North" because its impossible to accept its another country). Ask most Irish people whether the North should be part of the Republic and you'll get a visceral "yes", even though anyone with an IQ higher than bellybutton fluff knows it would be a total disaster for Ireland. And this is the problem. The actual number of CIRA/RIRA/whatever active Republicans is actually tiny (its probably no more than about 30-40 nutters at this stage), but in their heads they feel they still have a mandate from the Republic. The biggest irony of course is that most English people (note I say English specifically) would be quite happy to abandon NI to the Republic. We just don't care.

I'm really not looking forward to the Queen's visit, and fortunately I'll be over in the UK that week, because someone's going to do something stupid.

 

[cHodAX]

The biggest irony of course is that most English people (note I say English specifically) would be quite happy to abandon NI to the Republic. We just don't care.

Very true, no one really cares as long as everyone can get on and work in peace.

 

[rynnor]

Maybe queenie will hand it back (not that royals took it anyway - it was Cromwell who went in there after hearing the tales of massacres of protestants).

 

[Calaen]

Maybe queenie will hand it back (not that royals took it anyway - it was Cromwell who went in there after hearing the tales of massacres of protestants).

Handing it back would solve fuck all, you'd still have morons from either side causing hassle.

 

[DaGaffer]

Maybe queenie will hand it back (not that royals took it anyway - it was Cromwell who went in there after hearing the tales of massacres of protestants).

Wow, where did you learn your Irish history from? The back of cereal packet? The English were running Ireland a lot earlier than that; as far back as Henry II.

Handing it back would solve fuck all, you'd still have morons from either side causing hassle.

QFT. You'd just have dissident loyalist fuckwits blowing shit up instead of dissident republican fuckwits blowing shit up.

 

[rynnor]

Wow, where did you learn your Irish history from? The back of cereal packet? The English were running Ireland a lot earlier than that; as far back as Henry II.

No-one ever attempted to teach me Irish history because noone cares about it - all I know is from the time of the civil war.

 

[Wij]

Henry II of England - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most kick-arse English King evar !!!

 

[Will]

The biggest irony of course is that most English people (note I say English specifically) would be quite happy to abandon NI to the Republic. We just don't care.

Indeed. For some reason a lot of Scotland, mainly the sectarian fuckwits who as concentrated on the West, see NI as something to get worked up over. If Celtic and Rangers were banned, most of Scotland would stop caring in a generation.

 

[Appollo]

Dont NI have the option to leave English rule if they choose? but choose not too.

 

[cHodAX]

Indeed. For some reason a lot of Scotland, mainly the sectarian fuckwits who as concentrated on the West, see NI as something to get worked up over. If Celtic and Rangers were banned, most of Scotland would stop caring in a generation.

Rep worthy.

 

[Gwadien]

Wow, where did you learn your Irish history from? The back of cereal packet? The English were running Ireland a lot earlier than that; as far back as Henry II.

We should all blame the Normans tbh they went to Ireland too, and they were french, even more of a reason to blame :<

 

[Wij]

We should all blame the Normans tbh they went to Ireland too, and they were french, even more of a reason to blame :<

French ?

Normans were originally Vikings and the area they occupied, in what is now France, at the time was NOT FRENCH.