Israel/Palestine (Conflict to more Conflicts)

[Gwadien]

If it was an exploding gun in their pocket would that be ok? The pager is a weapon, being used by Hezbollah as a weapon. If it was located alongside civilians, that's on Hezbollah, an organisation that routinely hides it's weapons amongst civilians.

I'm no fan of Israel, but this is literally about as near a perfect precision strike as is humanly possible.

Isn't it at like 20 deaths and 20k+ injuries?

I wouldn't call that precise.

I'd call it higher employment rate thanks to Hezbollah.

There's lots of things they could have done instead of lots of explosions, which they probably are, but let's not mess around here, this was for tik-tok.

 

[DaGaffer]

Isn't it at like 20 deaths and 20k+ injuries?

I wouldn't call that precise.

I'd call it higher employment rate thanks to Hezbollah.

There's lots of things they could have done instead of lots of explosions, which they probably are, but let's not mess around here, this was for tik-tok.

It's incredibly precise.

 

[Scouse]

If it was an exploding gun in their pocket would that be ok? The pager is a weapon, being used by Hezbollah as a weapon. If it was located alongside civilians, that's on Hezbollah, an organisation that routinely hides it's weapons amongst civilians.

I'm no fan of Israel, but this is literally about as near a perfect precision strike as is humanly possible.

That's stretching an analogy way too far.

It's indescriminate. They might be blowing up bombs in the pockets of targets, but if you think it's likely that they'll be bouncing babies on their knees when it happens then that's the very definition of not acceptable.

Human shields are shields. And you can't even level the accusation that Hezbollah is using human shields - they're fucking shopping, visiting the dentist, visiting people in hospital, going about normal lives in not a war zone.

So I'll state it again: Israel has seemingly created a world where it's OK for civilians to be directly in the firing line.

 

[Scouse]

It's incredibly precise.

And horribly indiscriminate at the same time.

5,000 lazer guided bombs directly onto your targets heads? Check. Precise. No checking to see if any civilians are in harms way? Hmmm, not so good.

Importantly - no expectation that carrying pagers is going to put people in harms way? You're not even giving your targets the chance to not use humans as shields - you're saying very clearly "I don't give a fuck about who else gets hurt"

 

[DaGaffer]

And horribly indiscriminate at the same time.

5,000 lazer guided bombs directly onto your targets heads? Check. Precise. No checking to see if any civilians are in harms way? Hmmm, not so good.

Importantly - no expectation that carrying pagers is going to put people in harms way? You're not even giving your targets the chance to not use humans as shields - you're saying very clearly "I don't give a fuck about who else gets hurt"

You don't know what "precise" means in a military context.

 

[Scouse]

You don't know what "precise" means in a military context.

The action shows wanton disregard for civilian life. It's a clear and obvious breach of the Geneva convention. You can target military objectives but you have to show due consideration to the likely placement of these objectives and the risk to civilian life. And it's obvious not only that, because of the nature of the attacks, due consideration could not really be made prior - but really it was clear and obvious that civilian casualties could not be minimised through attacks of this nature.

I think you disregard the law.

 

[TdC]

I gotta say I'm with Gaff on this one. DGMW, I abhor violence of any kind, but you have to admit this is an absolutely stellar coup for Mossad or whoever pulled off this caper.

 

[Scouse]

Like everyone else I'm wowed by the audacity of Israel's acts. However, I'm with the UN lawyers and human rights groups who say:

Simultaneous targeting of thousands of individuals, whether civilians or members of armed groups, without knowledge as to who was in possession of the targeted devices, their location and their surroundings at the time of the attack, violates international human rights law and, to the extent applicable, international humanitarian law

Impressiveness of the action doesn't make up for families of innocent people who are crying umconsolably right now over their loss.

 

[Embattle]

Do Lebanon explosions violate the laws of war?

Experts say blasts potentially violate international humanitarian law, including ban on indiscriminate attacks.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[TdC]

Like everyone else I'm wowed by the audacity of Israel's acts. However, I'm with the UN lawyers and human rights groups who say:



Impressiveness of the action doesn't make up for families of innocent people who are crying umconsolably right now over their loss.

oh aye, I agree with that too

 

[Embattle]

It seems Iran might be ready to make its move now.

 

[Ormorof]

Im no fan of Israels actions but "retaliation for killing the leaders of the terrorist organisation we fund" is kinda weak excuse for bombing anyone

 

[Embattle]

Im no fan of Israels actions but "retaliation for killing the leaders of the terrorist organisation we fund" is kinda weak excuse for bombing anyone

Although they won't call him a terrorist, they've other reasons such as the assassination of the Hamas leader on their territory.

 

[Scouse]

Im no fan of Israels actions but "retaliation for killing the leaders of the terrorist organisation we fund" is kinda weak excuse for bombing anyone

It's all bullshit. Like Israel can "win" militarily.

 

[Lamp]

The only answer is for Israel to grow up. stop all hostilities, accept the 2 state solution offered by the UN, for Netanyahu to resign and do his corruption prison time, elect a new Israeli prime minister (a human being would be a good start), and take it from there. But of course that won't happen and we're all going to feel it at the petrol pumps soon enough. Bored with the middle east BS to be honest.

Can we go and get chips and watch a movie ?

 

[Overdriven]

The only answer is for Israel to grow up. stop all hostilities, accept the 2 state solution offered by the UN, for Netanyahu to resign and do his corruption prison time, elect a new Israeli prime minister (a human being would be a good start), and take it from there. But of course that won't happen and we're all going to feel it at the petrol pumps soon enough. Bored with the middle east BS to be honest.

Can we go and get chips and watch a movie ?

"Militarised incentive to move to green" is the haha take I've seen on this.

 

[Scouse]

Nice beach front property.

Trump suggests Palestinians leave Gaza and ‘we just clean out’ territory

US president says he wants people to move to neighbouring nations, after resuming shipments of 2,000lb bombs to Israel

www.theguardian.com

I hate to be vindicated when vindication is horrific

 

[Gwadien]

View: https://youtu.be/qJ8mz7LdkKw?list=PL6FSkqQfijfW6g3l6_EErsOc0szsoEvue&t=2645
(watch from time stamp)

Baffles me how these supposedly very clever people still can't see reality and say everyone else isn't seeing reality.

The guy basically says lots of Israeli towns were destroyed in the Hamas attack, as if it explains the 47-70k Gazan deaths vs the 1k Israeli civilians killed.

Also talks about only terrorist organisations and criminal groups take hostages. Gaza has its borders locked down by a neighbouring country and the 'prisoners' they took during the war, that they're very happily to suddenly release even though they're supposedly dangerous criminals?

This bunker mentality is so dangerous.

 

[Raven]

View: https://youtu.be/qJ8mz7LdkKw?list=PL6FSkqQfijfW6g3l6_EErsOc0szsoEvue&t=2645
(watch from time stamp)

Baffles me how these supposedly very clever people still can't see reality and say everyone else isn't seeing reality.

The guy basically says lots of Israeli towns were destroyed in the Hamas attack, as if it explains the 47-70k Gazan deaths vs the 1k Israeli civilians killed.

Also talks about only terrorist organisations and criminal groups take hostages. Gaza has its borders locked down by a neighbouring country and the 'prisoners' they took during the war, that they're very happily to suddenly release even though they're supposedly dangerous criminals?

This bunker mentality is so dangerous.

They know they are talking bollocks, we know they are talking bollocks, they know we know they are talking bollocks.

But bollocks they talk, because we are all antisemitic or some other tired trope.

 

[Scouse]

UN chief urges evacuation of 2,500 children from Gaza as doctors warn of ‘imminent risk’ of death

António Guterres issues call after saying he was ‘deeply moved’ by meeting with US doctors who worked in Gaza

www.theguardian.com

the current security restrictions don’t allow for children to travel with more than one caregiver...Their caregiver is their aunt, who has a baby that she is breastfeeding.

So even though we were able to, with great difficulty, get evacuation set up for them, they won’t let the aunt take her baby with her. So the aunt has to choose between the baby she’s breastfeeding and the lives of her two nieces.

Regardless of genocidal Bibby & Trump, our leader Kier is all for this too.

 

[Scouse]

So then. One for all the apologists:

Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza

President in effect endorses ethnic cleansing of territory before hosting meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu

www.theguardian.com

Ethnic cleansing was the clear and obvious plan all along.

 

[Yoni]

To quote The Bulwark
Mar-a-gaza

 

[Embattle]

Absurd, but what's new.

 

[Scouse]

I posted a video where Israeli's were saying there's fantastic real-estate, that they've already divided up the Gaza strip into parcels and they're divvying them up.

This was not long into the start of bombardment - when plenty here were denying that this was anything other than deliberate, planned ethnic cleansing.

The difference with Trump is - he doesn't hide his bullshit. America - and the UK with explicitly pro-Zionist, jewish wife and kids Kier Starmer (the human rights lawyer who said it was OK to turn off power and water for 2.5 million people) - are the main enabler of atrocity. But Biden was fully behind this plan - so I don't buy any of the outrage at the "orange man bad" shit - orange man is just continuing American policy.

If anything, a bit more honestly.

 

[SilverHood]

Trump doing the Lords work, bringing peace for our time. Today, the middle east, tomorrow, the Ukraine!

In all seriousness though, this is classic Trump: Announce some outrageous course of action, and then do a deal to get a more acceptable outcome. Trump is dangerous because he doesn't care if there's a deal or not. He was perfectly happy with 25% tariffs on Mexico and Canada, and he was happy with a deal with both countries. This will force countries like Egypt, Jordan and, Saudi Arabia, who are reliant on US funds and arms, to come to the table. The days of taking US money with no strings attached, are over. And if they don't want to play ball, he probably has hotel development plans lined up for all that beachfront property.

 

[Embattle]

Israelis bring the hardcore material for building, and Trump brings the condos.

 

[Scouse]

And the west loses any remaining vestige of moral authority.

 

[Gwadien]

Trump will get assassinated by Islamists then God Emperor Barron Trump will lead us on the holiest of crusades

 

[Gwadien]

Israel Gaza ceasefire: Palestinian prisoners released after Hamas frees hostages

More than 180 Palestinians are being freed as part of the ceasefire deal which saw three Israelis released from Gaza earlier.

www.bbc.co.uk

The ratio of these hostage exchanges is simply staggering.

 

[Scouse]

Israel Gaza ceasefire: Palestinian prisoners released after Hamas frees hostages

More than 180 Palestinians are being freed as part of the ceasefire deal which saw three Israelis released from Gaza earlier.

www.bbc.co.uk

The ratio of these hostage exchanges is simply staggering.

Well, considering Israel routinely rounds up civilians, calls them 'terrorists' and wangs them in gaol (whilst treating them like animals) then it's not surprising.

Palestinian hostages.