Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[caLLous]

 

[Wij]

Saw that. He’s a fucking moron.

 

[Scouse]

Saw that. He’s a fucking moron.

I had to look him up:

James Mark Court Delingpole (born 6 August 1965) is an English writer, journalist, and columnist who has written for a number of publications, including the Daily Mail, Daily Express, The Times, The Daily Telegraph, and The Spectator. He is executive editor for Breitbart London,[1] and has published several novels and four political books. He describes himself as a libertarian conservative.[2] He has published articles rejecting the scientific consensus on climate change[3][4] and expressing opposition to wind power

Basically, he's @Bodhi with a bit more cash?

 

[Job]

Maybe you should read WTO rules.
Ambiguous doesnt describe it.
You cant give preferential tarriffs unless you are in a club..like the EU..then you can..so just start a fucking club.
A few minutes spent reading the 'rules' clearly shows they make it up as they go along...and the reality is that might decides the policies.
Or you could just tell the WTO to fuck off...what they gonna do?


WTO | Understanding the WTO - principles of the trading system

 

[caLLous]

As if you read that.

 

[Gwadien]

Maybe you should read WTO rules.
Ambiguous doesnt describe it.
You cant give preferential tarriffs unless you are in a club..like the EU..then you can..so just start a fucking club.
A few minutes spent reading the 'rules' clearly shows they make it up as they go along...and the reality is that might decides the policies.
Or you could just tell the WTO to fuck off...what they gonna do?


WTO | Understanding the WTO - principles of the trading system

Because we've been telling other countries to fuck off for the past 20 centuries and that didn't seem to get us very far, and got many people killed, there's a reason why there's organisations like this, you can't just tell everyone to do one and do what you want, that's how wars happen.

 

[Bodhi]

I had to look him up:


Basically, he's @Bodhi with a bit more cash?

Not quite. He has more hair as well.

 

[Job]

As if you read that.

It was hardly a long read.
You have to admit its not exactly an absolute policy and he wasnt that far off the truth.

 

[dysfunction]

As if you read that.

It's his comprehension of the basic concepts I'd be more concerned with .

 

[Wij]

Brexiters’ scaremongering about a European army is just another of their lies | Jonathan Lis

 

[Job]

Ok..so an article ridiculing the EU army that has a quote in it from the leader of the EU..Merkle... saying they need an army.
Followed by a convulted bullshit argument that she didnt actually mean that and anyone who says she did is a cretin.
Then they go on to say if we are worried..yes we are..we should stay in the EU to combat it.
Well hello..we are in it, Nato runs the gaff in Europe and we are the cornerstone of that over here, any step by Germany to make anything more than dads army will result in severe objection from its population..thats why they are calling it an EU army..all liberal with plastic guns and handing out flowers..a bit like that cuddly EU empire they mentioned a few months back.

 

[Scouse]

A united states of europe could and probably should have an army.

Other than my objections to war in genersl, it seems like a natural consequence.

@Job, aside from the fact you don't like the idea itself, if the EU was indeed the USofE then what would be your objection, if any, then.

@Wij - it"s coming, right? You know that?

 

[Gwadien]

A united states of europe could and probably should have an army.

Other than my objections to war in genersl, it seems like a natural consequence.

@Job, aside from the fact you don't like the idea itself, if the EU was indeed the USofE then what would be your objection, if any, then.

@Wij - it"s coming, right? You know that?

Because of Nazi Germany

 

[Job]

A united states of europe could and probably should have an army.

Other than my objections to war in genersl, it seems like a natural consequence.

@Job, aside from the fact you don't like the idea itself, if the EU was indeed the USofE then what would be your objection, if any, then.

@Wij - it"s coming, right? You know that?

None..Im only mentioning it because regardless of what they say they need an army and they need a borderless empire if they want to realise their final goal.

 

[Scouse]

None..Im only mentioning it because regardless of what they say they need an army and they need a borderless empire if they want to realise their final goal.

K.

What's the final goal btw? And, clearly you don't like the idea, so - if you could tell us why you don't like it - and what you'd like to see instead.

Edit: Don't get paranoid. Actual genuine engagement here.

 

[Gwadien]

K.

What's the final goal btw? And, clearly you don't like the idea, so - if you could tell us why you don't like it - and what you'd like to see instead.

Edit: Don't get paranoid. Actual genuine engagement here.

He's explained himself before; he's worried about the 4th Reich.

 

[Bodhi]

I'd be interested to know what problem an EU Army solves that NATO doesn't. I've heard the "but muh, Trump" argument but that doesn't really hold water, so why do some mostly unelected bureaucrats in Brussels need an army?

Unless it's to follow through on Leo's threat to put troops on the border?

 

[Gwadien]

Because with the US going after a more isolationist approach and threatening NATO I think it's probably a wise idea to put soldiers on the border with Russia and not allow it to be down to the financial situation of the individual nations that border Russia.

Also communication across armies of different countries has always been awesomely terrible throughout history, and with a Russian attack being a super duper Blitzkireg on crack then it would be a good idea to be better organised.

Also, it'd be cheaper and more weaponry can be made in the EU rather than buying US stuff.

 

[DaGaffer]

Because with the US going after a more isolationist approach and threatening NATO I think it's probably a wise idea to put soldiers on the border with Russia and not allow it to be down to the financial situation of the individual nations that border Russia.

Also communication across armies of different countries has always been awesomely terrible throughout history, and with a Russian attack being a super duper Blitzkireg on crack then it would be a good idea to be better organised.

Also, it'd be cheaper and more weaponry can be made in the EU rather than buying US stuff.

With the notable exception of the UK, European countries have already insourced defence spending massively. I have a suspicion that's one of the drivers of Trump's "Europeans aren't spending enough on defence" jibber-jabber; he wants the Germans to buy F-35s.

 

[Wij]

View: https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1058007548203331585

 

[caLLous]

 

[Scouse]

#devilsadvocate @caLLous - how does that really affect the average man in the street.

I get it. All the industry leaving, having "who you know" not "what you know" in power etc.

But the system we have *currently* is why brexit is happening. It's a choice against what we have, not what we *might* have.

Inequality is at the root of brexit. Staying is the thing the people already hate.

 

[Hawkwind]

Wtf.
Seriously, someone needs to remind them of the purpose of Airbus.

A French company built with European partners money? I worked with them for 30 years and they always promote France INC over any other vendors.

At the end of the day, Airbus cannot make the aircraft without the wings, BAe owns the IP on the design and tooling/manufacture process. It would takes years (5-10) to develop an alternate and billions of $ that Airbus cannot afford right now. Especially with the impending A380 line run down and closure. They have no choice but to work out a quick way forward to keep the production lines running.

Regardless of the usually overstated and politically minded headlines I did see that France and UK had already set aside 24 Million Euros to create trade deals.

 

[Hawkwind]

I get that this is a loss, but the impending doom mongers stating that it will be the end of our leadership (questionable) in Biotech is absolute nonsense. Companies like Oxford Biomedica are not going out of business the day Brexit hits. As long as the UK keeps up the research grants in such companies, Govt research units and Universities it should not lose ground in this hugely important market.

 

[DaGaffer]

A French company built with European partners money? I worked with them for 30 years and they always promote France INC over any other vendors.

At the end of the day, Airbus cannot make the aircraft without the wings, BAe owns the IP on the design and tooling/manufacture process. It would takes years (5-10) to develop an alternate and billions of $ that Airbus cannot afford right now. Especially with the impending A380 line run down and closure. They have no choice but to work out a quick way forward to keep the production lines running.

Regardless of the usually overstated and politically minded headlines I did see that France and UK had already set aside 24 Million Euros to create trade deals.

BAE doesn't own the IP on Airbus wing design; EADS do. They gave up their rights when they sold their 20% stake in Airbus UK. The only wing IP held outside Airbus is in the A220 and that's only because Bombardier held on to it when Airbus took over the programme. Second, even if BAE did own the IP rights, so what? BAE don't own the factories the wings are made in or have any responsibility for the staff, who've been Airbus employees since 2006, and let's face it, BAE absolutely does not give a shit about manufacturing in Britain for its own sake; just like BP, they renamed themselves BAE to hide the "British" in their name. If BAE is getting any residual IP payments for Airbus wings, they'll still get paid even if Airbus are making them in Spain.

As for; I did see that France and UK had already set aside 24 Million Euros to create trade deals. France can't create trade deals.

 

[Job]

No..but in reality they do, its called being high up in the club.

They will stay because its too much trouble to move..if it wasnt they would have moved to Romania the day we let them in.

 

[DaGaffer]

No..but in reality they do, its called being high up in the club.

They will stay because its too much trouble to move..if it wasnt they would have moved to Romania the day we let them in.

BAE has been trying to merge itself with one of the big American manufacturers for at least fifteen years. Where stuff gets made is a matter of politics rather than economics in the aerospace/defence industry. If BAE needed to be in the EU more than the UK, they'd move. There's no loyalty to country, just expediency.

 

[Job]

Tax breaks is the obvious future for Britain outside of the EU, we have everything else in place.
Or in plain language..subsidising jobs.

 

[Hawkwind]

BAE doesn't own the IP on Airbus wing design; EADS do. They gave up their rights when they sold their 20% stake in Airbus UK. The only wing IP held outside Airbus is in the A220 and that's only because Bombardier held on to it when Airbus took over the programme. Second, even if BAE did own the IP rights, so what? BAE don't own the factories the wings are made in or have any responsibility for the staff, who've been Airbus employees since 2006, and let's face it, BAE absolutely does not give a shit about manufacturing in Britain for its own sake; just like BP, they renamed themselves BAE to hide the "British" in their name. If BAE is getting any residual IP payments for Airbus wings, they'll still get paid even if Airbus are making them in Spain.

As for; I did see that France and UK had already set aside 24 Million Euros to create trade deals. France can't create trade deals.

Not sure the IP thing is as simple as the EADS now owns the 20%. Some of the Ip was original BAe design IP from previous work projects before Airbus EADS was created. Factory is on BAe land - Filton and they own all the tooling and jigs to build. At least that is what I was told recently by a sales guy for Airbus. It was part of their investment into the EADS Partnership 2012 or around then.

Read the 24M money set aside for trade deal thing on the Sky News (UK) ticker news feed a, bottom of screen 2 days ago. Thought it was odd and can't find anything online about it though which is odd.

 

[Wij]

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