Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[Bodhi]

And Norway have said no to joining their model so our options are getting smaller by the minute.

A Norwegian Europhile has yes, the Norwegian PM has said that they will consider our application. Given Norwegian Eurosceptics are firmly behind us joining, I suspect an agreement could be reached without too many issues.

 

[Exioce]

None of the Leave campaigns were in a position to make promises though? Only suggestions of what leaving could look like. I think most people just about figured that out at the time.

Reworded due to pedantry:

The acrimony and wildly incompatible suggestions of what leaving could look like between the different leave campaigns explains a lot about the current impasse IMHO.

 

[dysfunction]

A Norwegian Europhile has yes, the Norwegian PM has said that they will consider our application. Given Norwegian Eurosceptics are firmly behind us joining, I suspect an agreement could be reached without too many issues.

Yes just as smoothly as the current Brexit negotiations.

 

[DaGaffer]

Bet the Irish think this is fine.

Tory MP suggests using possible 'no-deal' food shortages in Ireland to drop the backstop

An Indian trying to use food shortages as leverage over Ireland. The mind fucking boggles.

 

[Wij]

GMB has an opinion:


View: https://twitter.com/GMB_union/status/1071032252816130049

 

[Job]

Id love to see the new EU posters.

Hi we alienated our 2nd biggest economy so much they left and we tried to destroy them to prove you dont leave this club without consequences....anyway, who wants to join?

 

[Gwadien]

Id love to see the new EU posters.

Hi we alienated our 2nd biggest economy so much they left and we tried to destroy them to prove you dont leave this club without consequences....anyway, who wants to join?

How did the EU alienate 'their' biggest economy? We left?

 

[Embattle]

https://www.politico.eu/article/jer...o-deal-brexit-and-negotiate-limited-backstop/

 

[Hawkwind]

We said we'd leave the EU and have nothing to do with them anymore, just usual trade agreements and such.

Why would we be allowed to cherry pick the exciting and important schemes of the EU whilst not paying for the more questionable investments, such as Greek roads?

Its not an exciting scheme we are joining, UK helped fund and build the fucking thing!

 

[Hawkwind]

The silly fuckers shouldn't have decided to leave the EU then, should they? I don't understand how the Galileo thing is a) in the least bit surprising or b) silly buggers by the EU. It's an EU initiative and the UK is leaving the EU...

So you think its fair to pay for something, help build it then not get to use of it for political reasons. Nice scammers the EU!

 

[Embattle]

The UK did benefit out of the building of the Galileo satellites.

 

[dysfunction]

But not after Brexit it won't

 

[caLLous]

So you think its fair to pay for something, help build it then not get to use of it for political reasons. Nice scammers the EU!

If it's you that makes the decision to walk away from the body which oversees it then of course it's fair. It's not like the EU was conning the UK out of the money. As has been said countless times before, the UK doesn't get to pick and choose the bits it wants to still be part of and ditch the less appealing bits.

 

[Job]

How did the EU alienate 'their' biggest economy? We left?

Thats how it works.
You fuck off after you realise its a bag of shit..not before.

 

[Scouse]

Its not an exciting scheme we are joining, UK helped fund and build the fucking thing!

The UK helped build and fund the EU. But we won't be in it when we leave.

 

[Ormorof]

So you think its fair to pay for something, help build it then not get to use of it for political reasons. Nice scammers the EU!

Its an EU program... I dont know how else to explain it. If the UK doesnt want to pay into EU programs anymore but still wants to benefit from them? How does that make sense?

 

[Job]

It is just threats now, everyone is bsnding around doomsday scenarios, they are even down to funerals ffs.

Now they are threatening May with the sack.

All argument has gone, and the the truth behing the mask is there for all to see, I guess it had to happen, the divisions were allready there and the antics of the other half is just polarising both sides.

Even the Guard admits a 2nd referendum is not a guaranteed stay win.

 

[old.Osy]

*pops head in*

Trying to coin a new term, need some help.

Brentrance? Breturn? Brinsight? Bremain?

 

[Bodhi]

Its an EU program... I dont know how else to explain it. If the UK doesnt want to pay into EU programs anymore but still wants to benefit from them? How does that make sense?

By the same logic why shouldn't we benefit from something we have already paid for?

 

[Wij]

By the same logic why shouldn't we benefit from something we have already paid for?

Because unfortunately those were the terms and conditions we set when galileo was started.

 

[caLLous]

A good way of being part of an EU initiative with other EU members is to not leave the EU. Who would've thought?

 

[Gwadien]

A good way of being part of an EU initiative with other EU members is to not leave the EU. Who would've thought?

We'll probably spend about 20 years at our own attempt, realise that it's shit and probably give the EU another few billion so we can get involved.

 

[Embattle]

Or just carry on using GPS.

 

[Gwadien]

Or just carry on using GPS.

True.

The day we leave will be the day that we stop having home grown technological advances.

 

[Gwadien]

I know you're not really interested in debates anymore but the statement above is largely true because as much as the Government promises that they'll cover losses from the EU, that will never happen, even if we had a Labour Government, simply because the cooperation between the EU is instrumental; we use many of their facilities and that's the way it's been since WW2, because the majority of the projects have been -huge- meaning they've needed the funding from all nations.

Universities in the UK are also not setup to make ground breaking changes, as discussed previously Universities need to have a business approach otherwise they won't survive, the Government doesn't reward Universities for being good at research.

I think we'll lose many of our good academics who require funding to do their jobs, simply because of the state of Universities in the UK and the uncertainty of future funding.

Pharmaceuticals will do well post-Brexit I'd wager, at the detriment to the tax payer though.

 

[Embattle]

Yes it requires funding from many nations, not just EU ones and after some adjustments we'll probably still have a hand in some big projects such as Cern, Iter, etc. and we've had technological advances before the EU existed, while it existed and we will continue to have them after we leave.

Two-thirds of all university research income comes from direct government sources with 11% from the EU - https://www.universitiesuk.ac.uk/po...cuments/2016/university-funding-explained.pdf which may well be problematic if the government or other contributors can't cover that 11% loss but since my crystal ball turned out to be little more than a Magic 8 Ball I personally don't know about this issue or many others.

Academics have always travelled to other countries and collaborated across many borders on projects and they will continue to do so, again inside or outside the EU.

As for technology investments Politico ran a article 'France battles to topple Britain as Europe’s top tech nation' a couple of months ago but as you read it and other stories you'll realise there is still investment in this country. The overwhelming issue appears to be how much time the government is spending on Brexit and the unknown outcome of the result which is affecting every aspect of this country and isn't likely to stop for quite some time.

Oh and by this reply I would never imply things will all be tickety-boo, so please feel free to rebuttal me in the following pages of circular comments but for the love of fucking god would you stop thinking the UK ends with us leaving the EU because this overarching attitude on every aspect is also why I really can't be arsed to debate these subjects.

 

[Hawkwind]

If it's you that makes the decision to walk away from the body which oversees it then of course it's fair. It's not like the EU was conning the UK out of the money. As has been said countless times before, the UK doesn't get to pick and choose the bits it wants to still be part of and ditch the less appealing bits.

So reading some stuff in the industry pages and they are suggesting that the UK companies involved will hold back the work they did and copyright the IP. That it could take the EU a further 2-3 years to develop the missing parts and cost up to 2 x as much. Hope that happens, I really honestly do, fuck em!

 

[Wij]

View: https://twitter.com/BorisBarbour/status/1071552156669497344

 

[Wij]

Majority Back Independent Scotland Over Staying In UK After Brexit: Poll - LBC

 

[Gwadien]

Majority Back Independent Scotland Over Staying In UK After Brexit: Poll - LBC

Not really a massive shock though.