Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

If you were an MP would you vote for or against it?

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DaGaffer

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Wij said:
And if we chose to go easy on the Irish border WTO rules mean we would have to do the same for all countries.


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Yep. The “Most Favoured Nation” rule.Having said that, the WTO wouldn’t actually do anything about it until a third country complained. But hey, everyone loves the U.K. right? The Russians wouldn’t throw in a complaint for shits and giggles. Of course not.
 
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Bodhi said:
Maybe we'll choose to go easy on the Irish Border because the EU, Ireland and the WTO have all said that we can?
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As long as that means the same treatment for all countries no matter what standards they follow or don’t then no bother.
 
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Bodhi said:
Splitting Leave vote results in win for Remain shocker.
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My point was that if voters knew exactly what they were voting for why is there even a split between deal and no deal? They are vastly different.
 
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Ormorof said:
Can you show examples of the EU playing silly buggers, its an argument i am seeing a lot but honestly cant see it. From where im standing the EU has been clear on all the main issues from the beginning with the UK hopping from one stance to another
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Look up the Galileo Satellite saga. Britain pays between 1-2 Billion GBP of tax payers money into the project (Seen estimates ranging from 1.2 to 1.8 Billion), huge involvement in the satellite and system design (Guildford) and EU says post Brexit they wont allow us to access it. How about that one?

London turns to America after EU excludes Britain from Galileo satellite program
UK may never recover £1.2bn invested in EU Galileo satellite system
 
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Wij said:
My point was that if voters knew exactly what they were voting for why is there even a split between deal and no deal? They are vastly different.
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And my point is, given the voters have already discarded Remaining in the EU at the previous referendum, why would it be on a 2nd one unless you were trying to get people to vote the right way this time? And if it is on there, and Remain wins this time, why should those on the Leave side respect the result of that referendum, given the first one won't have been respected?

Do you not see the issues having a Loser's Vote could potentially cause further down the line? Or are you Remoaners so determined to get your own way you don't care?
 
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Bodhi said:
And my point is, given the voters have already discarded Remaining in the EU at the previous referendum, why would it be on a 2nd one unless you were trying to get people to vote the right way this time? And if it is on there, and Remain wins this time, why should those on the Leave side respect the result of that referendum, given the first one won't have been respected?

Do you not see the issues having a Loser's Vote could potentially cause further down the line? Or are you Remoaners so determined to get your own way you don't care?
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Point of principle: Checking that the actual outcome of negotiation is still acceptable to the public after a narrow win is absolutely democratic. Just as many Brexiteers advocated before the referendum.

Point of fact: It didn't cause that effect after Ireland had another vote in circumstances that were much more like what you are describing (I.E. a near-straight re-run).
 
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So trying to overturn a democratic vote is democratic is it?
 
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Hawkwind said:
Look up the Galileo Satellite saga. Britain pays between 1-2 Billion GBP of tax payers money into the project (Seen estimates ranging from 1.2 to 1.8 Billion), huge involvement in the satellite and system design (Guildford) and EU says post Brexit they wont allow us to access it. How about that one?

London turns to America after EU excludes Britain from Galileo satellite program
UK may never recover £1.2bn invested in EU Galileo satellite system
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We said we'd leave the EU and have nothing to do with them anymore, just usual trade agreements and such.

Why would we be allowed to cherry pick the exciting and important schemes of the EU whilst not paying for the more questionable investments, such as Greek roads?
 
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Leave voters know full well that they'd lose a proper second referendum, it's not surprising they're dead against it. They can try to dress it up as a failure of democracy all they like but if they're so confident that leaving is the right thing to do and that the second vote would reflect that, what are they so scared of? They should be welcoming a second vote to reaffirm how brilliant and correct they all were for voting Leave in the first place.
 
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caLLous said:
Leave voters know full well that they'd lose a proper second referendum, it's not surprising they're dead against it. They can try to dress it up as a failure of democracy all they like but if they're so confident that leaving is the right thing to do and that the second vote would reflect that, what are they so scared of? They should be welcoming a second vote to reaffirm how brilliant and correct they all were for voting Leave in the first place.
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We were told we'd lose the first one as well, so I see no issues from that POV, only thing would be if Leave voters didn't see the point in turning out this time.
 
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Hawkwind said:
Look up the Galileo Satellite saga. Britain pays between 1-2 Billion GBP of tax payers money into the project (Seen estimates ranging from 1.2 to 1.8 Billion), huge involvement in the satellite and system design (Guildford) and EU says post Brexit they wont allow us to access it. How about that one?

London turns to America after EU excludes Britain from Galileo satellite program
UK may never recover £1.2bn invested in EU Galileo satellite system
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As I said to @Job two pages back
CorNokZ said:
You don't want to be part of EU but you still want to be part of its programmes?

That's like leaving a company and expecting to still get paid because you think you did a great job while you were there...
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Either you're part of the club or you send metal junk to space on your own
 
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Hawkwind said:
Look up the Galileo Satellite saga. Britain pays between 1-2 Billion GBP of tax payers money into the project (Seen estimates ranging from 1.2 to 1.8 Billion), huge involvement in the satellite and system design (Guildford) and EU says post Brexit they wont allow us to access it. How about that one?

London turns to America after EU excludes Britain from Galileo satellite program
UK may never recover £1.2bn invested in EU Galileo satellite system
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The silly fuckers shouldn't have decided to leave the EU then, should they? I don't understand how the Galileo thing is a) in the least bit surprising or b) silly buggers by the EU. It's an EU initiative and the UK is leaving the EU...
 
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Thanks for the billions of pounds, thousands of man hours and expertise, but you've decided to leave the EU, which had the initiative for the program, and therefore you are also leaving the programme.

Congrats on Brexit and all it brings you. If voted leave you have no right to sulk or be mad about anything, besides not being out yet.
 
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Bodhi said:
If we'd followed the Swiss model we'd have had a vote on Maastricht, and Lisbon, and we probably wouldn't be having this conversation right now. But thanks for quoting an article with a tagline at the end about a 2nd Referendum - not biased in the slightest!
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You’re kind of proving my point there.
 
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And Norway have said no to joining their model so our options are getting smaller by the minute.
 
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The only thing the Leavers are able to do is complain about any deal on the table and then resign.

I guess that's their modus operandi.
Leave and try and fix things from the outside rather than stay and reform from within.
 
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Bodhi said:
Multiple Remain campaigns as well, so fairly invalid argument tbh.
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The acrimony and wildly incompatible promises between the different leave campaigns explains a lot about the current impasse IMHO.
 
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dysfunction said:
So if we voted to remain we would be in a deadlock as to how we remain in the EU?

I don't think so
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Just as some Leavers could be disappointed with the method of leaving, if things went the other way and we get sucked further into Political Union, some Remainers could possibly answer where "more Europe" was on the ballot paper.
 
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Exioce said:
The acrimony and wildly incompatible promises between the different leave campaigns explains a lot about the current impasse IMHO.
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None of the Leave campaigns were in a position to make promises though? Only suggestions of what leaving could look like. I think most people just about figured that out at the time.
 
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