Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

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MYstIC G

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Winning. He explicitly blamed Brexit for their decision to not build in the UK.

It's highly unlikely that company which has the vast majority it's manufacturing sites in the US with a handful couple elsewhere (mostly Ireland presumably for subsidies) would have ever come anywhere near the UK, both before and after Brexit.
 

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It's highly unlikely that company which has the vast majority it's manufacturing sites in the US with a handful couple elsewhere (mostly Ireland presumably for subsidies) would have ever come anywhere near the UK, both before and after Brexit.
I think the point is that the UK was being considered as an option, but now has been hard ruled-out.

It's the difference between in the running and not in the game.
 

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I think the point is that the UK was being considered as an option, but now has been hard ruled-out.

It's the difference between in the running and not in the game.
Except it wasn't because that's a ridiculous nonsense when looking at the company. You might as well be saying they're considering opening a fab in the Seychelles.
 

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Except it wasn't because that's a ridiculous nonsense when looking at the company.
So you're saying Intel have decided to comment publicly on something that they don't care about anyway - because in or out of the EU we don't matter?

Why would they do that?

I agree with you that it's highly unlikely that we'd be a final destination for fabs. But if Intel say we were previously on their list of potential candidates I'm minded to take them at face value rather than think they're talking shit for no discernible reason.
 

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Except it wasn't because that's a ridiculous nonsense when looking at the company. You might as well be saying they're considering opening a fab in the Seychelles.
Except the Seychelles doesn't have a skilled English-speaking workforce and close proximity to primary markets, which the UK does, but has also put up a load of barriers that negate those advantages. Its not rocket science. Ireland has found itself in the serendipitous position that the erosion of their corporate tax rate, which could have seen a flight of capital to the UK, almost certainly won't happen because the UK has left the planet.
 

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So you're saying Intel have decided to comment publicly on something that they don't care about anyway - because in or out of the EU we don't matter?

Why would they do that?

I agree with you that it's highly unlikely that we'd be a final destination for fabs. But if Intel say we were previously on their list of potential candidates I'm minded to take them at face value rather than think they're talking shit for no discernible reason.
Are you saying the head of Intel was like "oh, wait, hold up a minute team, let me grab that journalist real quick as I desperately need to throw out my thoughts on Brexit right about now"

It's a politicians answer to a question he was asked, easier to say "nah, but that's your fault" than "you lot, you must be joking"
 

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It's highly unlikely that company which has the vast majority it's manufacturing sites in the US with a handful couple elsewhere (mostly Ireland presumably for subsidies) would have ever come anywhere near the UK, both before and after Brexit.
Shhh, think of the narrative!
 

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Talking to my Mum yesterday explaining not to bother sending the kids' Christmas presents because they'll get stuck in customs and we'll end up filling in duty and/or VAT forms. She starts huffing and puffing about "the EU making things difficult" and I absolutely fucking lost it.

I think I compressed five years of frustration into 10 minutes of ranting.
 

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Lots of people that have no idea about imports/exports get that way, don't worry about it. Tell her to speak with someone that knows what they are doing.
 

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Lots of people that have no idea about imports/exports get that way, don't worry about it. Tell her to speak with someone that knows what they are doing.

Customs are opening everything coming from the UK. Parcels are taking literally weeks longer to get delivered and the online payment page for declarations is one of the most trafficked sites in the country.

So, to use the vernacular, feck off.
 

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EU problems.

I send and receive hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of stuff either way every week, without issue. Import from NL and DE export to ROI.

What you will find is you are sending via shysters.
 
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Edit, and yes, all bumps in the road are from EU folk that don't understand how processes work. How on earth they deal with ROTW is beyond me. It's all pretty simple to me, there are the rules, here is the paperwork, job done.

Edit, edit, if your mum's that bothered, she can just order from a ROI vendor and have it delivered direct.
A complete non-issue.
 
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Edit, and yes, all bumps in the road are from EU folk that don't understand how processes work. How on earth they deal with ROTW is beyond me. It's all pretty simple to me, there are the rules, here is the paperwork, job done.
Oh FFS you mong, when I have someone who voted leave, and voted in the Tories, complaining they have to jump through hoops to send their grandchildren presents, they can fuck right off. Am I supposed to be sympathetic?
 

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EU problems.

I send and receive hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of stuff either way every week, without issue. Import from NL and DE export to ROI.

What you will find is you are sending via shysters.
You mean bulk orders?

I'd imagine that's a bit easier than ordering single items.
 

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Oh FFS you mong, when I have someone who voted leave, and voted in the Tories, complaining they have to jump through hoops to send their grandchildren presents, they can fuck right off. Am I supposed to be sympathetic?
You can be what you like, that doesn't separate from the fact you are trying to create barriers out of spite. It's a piece of piss to export to ROI from the UK, literally 2 minutes work.
 

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Yes, some vague story about the scaremongering regarding shipping to Ireland.
 

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Yes, some vague story about the scaremongering regarding shipping to Ireland.
Its not scaremongering; I've had four parcels from the UK stopped in the last month. Which was why I was telling my mother not to bother any more, and yes, there was a customs declaration stuck to the outside; it doesn't matter, customs are opening the parcels anyway.

But more importantly, all of this would have been completely unnecessary if "shoot yourselves in the head" flavour Brexit hadn't been chosen. Self righteous huffing and puffing about bumps in the road is missing the point entirely.
 

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Lots of stupid people don't understand how seasons work, it's fine.

It's almost as if they believe lambs are born all year round or at exactly the same time all over the globe.
 

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Lots of stupid people don't understand how seasons work, it's fine.

It's almost as if they believe lambs are born all year round or at exactly the same time all over the globe.
Even sheep farmers?
 

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ofc it does. It's been well selected. It does not reflect reality though.

In the land of reality, you aren't going to get fresh lamb in winter in the UK without importing it from the other side of the world.
 

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Except the UK lambing season goes from December to June, and lambs are generally slaughtered between 5 and 8 months of age, so we can produce fresh lamb year round, or at least as fresh as New Zealand lamb that is at least 6 weeks after slaughter by the time it gets to the UK, and usually more like 2 months.
 

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