Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[Wij]

lol at that Spectator article

 

[Wij]

View: https://twitter.com/AnnaJerzewska/status/1342573042820669440

 

[Job]

I think its reasonable to completely ignore every economic prediction...well for ever.

The first thing that happened is we returned to 5th largest world economy....allegedly.

Britain is fifth-largest economy in world again after leapfrogging India

Britain has retaken fifth place in the rankings of the world’s biggest economies despite suffering one of the deepest recessions in the pandemic. According to the annual league table produced by a leading British economics consultancy, the UK has leapfrogged India and will accelerate away from Franc

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[Job]

Did a search, doesnt mention the jews.

[Withdrawn] Agreements reached between the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the European Union

The Trade and Cooperation Agreement and other agreements below are provided for information only. No rights may be derived from them until the date of application. The numbering of the articles is provisional.

www.gov.uk

 

[Jupitus]

Did a search, doesnt mention the jews.

[Withdrawn] Agreements reached between the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the European Union

The Trade and Cooperation Agreement and other agreements below are provided for information only. No rights may be derived from them until the date of application. The numbering of the articles is provisional.

www.gov.uk

What?????

 

[Wij]

RoI to fund NI students:

Govt to fund Erasmus+ scheme for NI students

Third level students from Northern Ireland colleges will continue to be able to study in Europe under the Erasmus+ scheme after the UK leaves the EU because the Irish Government will fund them.

www.rte.ie

 

[Job]

Well strangely Farage thinks its splendid...so either hes been paid off or sees an opportunity to slide back into politics.

 

[Gwadien]

Well strangely Farage thinks its splendid...so either hes been paid off or sees an opportunity to slide back into politics.

He thinks the ROI funding Erasmus is splendid?

 

[Raven]

We will be getting more rich Asians, Russians and Arabs with whatever Turing turns out to be, is all.

 

[Gwadien]

Yup. I can't wait to see the reaction from the likes of Job when we suddenly replace lots of European students with non white students, especially Chinese.

You know. The Chinese that are infamous for being the worst to assimilate for hundreds of years.

 

[caLLous]

Boris Johnson admits Brexit deal falls short for financial services

PM says agreement ‘does not go as far as we would like’ over sector’s access to EU markets

www.theguardian.com

 

[Embattle]

Why Boris Johnson is perfectly happy to own his Brexit trade deal | Larry Elliott

A quick look at the past 30 years explains why British voters were clear they wanted to leave the EU

www.theguardian.com

 

[Wij]

Oh dearz:

Brexit fury as EU judges' orders will be enforceable in UK

EU judges' orders will be enforceable in the UK in relation to the bloc's programmes and activities, such as Horizon, it has emerged in the Brexit deal.

www.express.co.uk

 

[Wij]

Why Boris Johnson is perfectly happy to own his Brexit trade deal | Larry Elliott

A quick look at the past 30 years explains why British voters were clear they wanted to leave the EU

www.theguardian.com

TLDR version:

The deal is shit but he'll be ok because the electorate contains a lot of morons.

 

[Raven]

Some dickhead on my facebook feed claims that Johnson has 'Bounced back'

 

[Embattle]

Boris does have a habit of stepping in shit and managing to survive, although that is helped in no small part by Labour more often than not having a new internal squabble every time Boris drops a clanger.

 

[Raven]

Yes, dropping a clanger, that's what we will call it.

 

[Wij]

Yes, dropping a clanger, that's what we will call it.

Boris dropping a clanger fucks up the country. Stranger dropping a clanger slightly reduces their chances of being elected in 4 years time. Not quite the same level of importance.

 

[SilverHood]

Does anyone know if this was just a Blue Peter moment where they wheeled out Theresa May's agreement? Or an actual new treaty?

 

[Wij]

Does anyone know if this was just a Blue Peter moment where they wheeled out Theresa May's agreement? Or an actual new treaty?

It took the back-stop that the Brexit ultras hated so much and made it the front-stop

 

[Scouse]

Oh dearz:

Not really that big of deal is it though @Wij.

EU court jurisdiction over EU-sponsored programmes that the UK wants to continue to participate in. So what?

Talk of precedents being set for the involvement of future programmes is a load of crap. If we don't want to be involved we don't have to be. And if we want to run programmes that the EU want to be involved in then it could be the other way round.

It has no bearing on any other things we do, so I think this is just a bitter storm in a teacup argument.

 

[DaGaffer]

And if we want to run programmes that the EU want to be involved in then it could be the other way round.

Aaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....breathe....ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Oh wait, you're serious?

 

[Wij]

Not really that big of deal is it though @Wij.

EU court jurisdiction over EU-sponsored programmes that the UK wants to continue to participate in. So what?

Talk of precedents being set for the involvement of future programmes is a load of crap. If we don't want to be involved we don't have to be. And if we want to run programmes that the EU want to be involved in then it could be the other way round.

It has no bearing on any other things we do, so I think this is just a bitter storm in a teacup argument.

It's outraging The Express. That's all I cared about. No big deal to most folks but gammons gonna gammon.

 

[Embattle]

Aaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....breathe....ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Oh wait, you're serious?

Sorry but you need this:


View: https://youtu.be/GGn25URIss8

 

[Embattle]

It's outraging The Express. That's all I cared about. No big deal to most folks but gammons gonna gammon.

I found you posting a express link hilarious.

Does anyone know if this was just a Blue Peter moment where they wheeled out Theresa May's agreement? Or an actual new treaty?

Honestly it'll take time to find out if ever.


The way I see the government, now or future, is they've ultimately bought more time.

It'll be simple economics that'll decide what the government of the time will do, do we make more by sticking to said EU rule on something or do we make more by taking a tariff hit at the same time as changing the rule. Add to this if the government/business keeps trying to pivot away from the EU to the faster developing economies then the amount we sell to the EU drops and thus do does any punishment.

One assured fact is the whine factor isn't going to decrease any time soon it seems.

 

[Scouse]

Aaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....breathe....ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Oh wait, you're serious?

Maybe, at some point in some distant future, we'll give a shit about science and try to do something ourselves.#

Yeah, I don't hold out much hope.

 

[Wij]

Maybe, at some point in some distant future, we'll give a shit about science and try to do something ourselves.#

Yeah, I don't hold out much hope.

I think the point is more that the EU wouldn't trust us to run a bath never mind a complex programme of cooperation.

 

[Embattle]

I'm not sure it matters since the EU won't of decided which bath shape, in what colour and what type of water to put in it for it to matter for the current government to have to worry about it.

 

[Scouse]

I think the point is more that the EU wouldn't trust us to run a bath never mind a complex programme of cooperation.

Oh don't be silly.

If our government ever funded a blue sky science or research programme that other people wanted in on, then that'd be an event in and of itself. I don't think governance is an issue - we'd have experts in the respective fields governing - just like we are part of multi-disciplinary groups doing stuff now.

The reason the EU gets to govern those programmes is because the EU as a coordinating entity and EU partners are writing the cheques - so they want an EU body as arbiter. If we were majority shareholder (51%+) of any programme then we'd likely be the dispute arbiter - in the same way that if we're only contributing 15% of the cash to an EU programme it's the EU that's the arbiter.

It's just normal.

The only thing is that we're not majority funding anything. We're partners in many global programmes but not many countries have the capability or capacity to take so much financial risk.

 

[Wij]

Oh don't be silly.

If our government ever funded a blue sky science or research programme that other people wanted in on, then that'd be an event in and of itself. I don't think governance is an issue - we'd have experts in the respective fields governing - just like we are part of multi-disciplinary groups doing stuff now.

The reason the EU gets to govern those programmes is because the EU as a coordinating entity and EU partners are writing the cheques - so they want an EU body as arbiter. If we were majority shareholder (51%+) of any programme then we'd likely be the dispute arbiter - in the same way that if we're only contributing 15% of the cash to an EU programme it's the EU that's the arbiter.

It's just normal.

The only thing is that we're not majority funding anything. We're partners in many global programmes but not many countries have the capability or capacity to take so much financial risk.

If you think that signing up to stuff and then trying to change the rules afterwards has no effect on other nations willingness to sign up to new things with us then you suffer from the same delusion as the Eton toastracks.