Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[Jupitus]

I'm sick and tired of his horseshit stupidity.... he's borderline certifiable in my opinion...

- 'borderline'

 

[caLLous]

He throws around all these words that he's seen right-wing folks using elsewhere but he doesn't know what half of them mean or where to use them properly.

 

[Job]

I hate to break it to you , but more than half the country agree with me and thats because we are right.

I havent said a single thing that isnt the complete truth...I mean she didnt resign because she was innocently qouting the electoral register.

If youd read it ,she admitted it was a game over cunty, bigotted thing to say for a politician looking to expand the voting base.

 

[Gwadien]

I hate to break it to you , but more than half the country agree with me and thats because we are right.

I havent said a single thing that isnt the complete truth...I mean she didnt resign because she was innocently qouting the electoral register.

If youd read it ,she admitted it was a game over cunty, bigotted thing to say for a politician looking to expand the voting base.

Think about what you're saying...

She was addressing 98% of the population.

How the fuck would that ever expand her voting base?

 

[Job]

Er..Ill do a Wij

....buh?

 

[Gwadien]

In your article, it says that it was a Brexting voting area and 98% were white, she was suggesting that they may be responsible for a rise in hate crime (which is true) which Brexit supporters are obviously going to react to and spread like wildfire on Facebook (obviously giving it a spin like she's a liberal elite remainer who thinks white people are dumb, like you're suggesting).

But can you explain why you now want to call 'racism' after criticising the term so much?

 

[caLLous]

Philip Hammond: I no longer recognise this party of radicals

For the first time in 35 years I am not packing my bag to travel to the Tory party conference tomorrow. The party I joined as a student and first campaigned for in the 1979 general election is suffering a convulsion that makes it — for now at least — unrecognisable to me. Gone is the relaxed, broad-church coalition, united by a belief in free-trade, open markets, fiscal discipline and a fear of the pernicious effects of socialism, but tolerant of a wide range of social and political opinion within its ranks. In its place is an ideological puritanism that brooks no dissent and is more and more strident in its tone.

Boris Johnson asserts, ever more boldly, that we will leave the EU on October 31, “with or without a deal”. But as his sister has reminded us, he is backed by speculators who have bet billions on a hard Brexit — and there is only one outcome that works for them: a crash-out no-deal Brexit that sends the currency tumbling and inflation soaring. So they, at least, will be reassured to see no evidence at all that his government has seriously pursued a deliverable deal; still less that it has been pursuing a deal that could get us out by October 31. The time available means that the only deal with any prospect of delivering that outcome is the deal that they have already rejected and that many of them have voted against.

So let me make an equally stark prediction: we will not be leaving the EU on October 31. And the responsibility for that outcome, like the responsibility for the failure to leave on March 29, lies squarely on the shoulders of those who have rejected the deal that has been on the table for almost a year. The law requires the government to seek an extension if there is no deal by the time of the European Council on October 17-18, and we now know that the Supreme Court will ensure that the government obeys the law.

The radicals advising Boris do not want a deal. Like the Marxists on the Labour left, they see the shock of a disruptive no-deal Brexit as a chance to re-order our economy and society. But I detect no appetite among our electorate for such a project. That is manifestly not the will of the people.

So, is this a counsel of despair? Not at all! We can resolve this crisis — but only via compromise; through a deal which delivers everybody something, but nobody everything. So that, after Brexit, this country can come together to have a brighter future.

Such a deal can be done and must be done. Boris Johnson promised he could get a deal, and he must deliver on that promise before a general election. To fulfil that he will have to accept the inevitability of the Article 50 extension — and then use the time parliament has forced upon him wisely; get rid of the ideologues who seek only the purity of a no-deal Brexit; reconstruct the negotiating team he recklessly disbanded and re-engage the civil servants and diplomats who actually understand this process and will battle tirelessly in Britain’s interest if allowed to do so.

And moderate his language and his demeanour — compromise requires reaching out, not slapping down.

Then a deal can be negotiated over the months of the extension that will take Britain out of the EU with a “smooth and orderly exit” and protect our economy through a “close and special partnership”, both of which we promised in our 2017 election manifesto — and both of which I and my former Conservative colleagues ardently wish for (despite mendacious briefing to the contrary).

When the Conservative Party has delivered an orderly Brexit it will recover its reputation for competent economic management and sound public finances — and then come to its collective senses and reconfirm its mission as a broad-based, centre-right party with wide appeal across the electorate.

I know that we can do it. Indeed, I am already looking forward to packing my bag for Birmingham in October 2020.

Philip Hammond was chancellor of the exchequer from 2016-19

 

[Scouse]

Problem is @caLLous - Hammond's a wanker who, like Blair and Brown on the "moderate" right left, continues to push a failed economic model that doesn't work for everyone.

Brexit vote was largely down to decades of worsening living standards. People feel like they're running to stand still. Hammond offers no solution to that.

Neither does Johnson, mind, but people are desparate for something different. So, right or wrong, that's why he's leading in the polls right now...

 

[Job]

In your article, it says that it was a Brexting voting area and 98% were white, she was suggesting that they may be responsible for a rise in hate crime (which is true) which Brexit supporters are obviously going to react to and spread like wildfire on Facebook (obviously giving it a spin like she's a liberal elite remainer who thinks white people are dumb, like you're suggesting).

But can you explain why you now want to call 'racism' after criticising the term so much?

Thats..why it was a mistake and she resigned...position fucked...the liberal we know best and what ever we say trumps all the rules doesnt work with voting..only for social karma.

 

[Job]

And as for 'white' people not understanding the glorious diversity of Europe.

Heres the EU....is so funny its pathetic.
The EU is too white – and Brexit likely to make it worse, MEPs and staff say

Still no comment on this fucking hilarious situation.
I'll hand it to Swinson..she keeps mentioning it.

 

[Scouse]

Thats..why it was a mistake and she resigned...position fucked...the liberal we know best and what ever we say trumps all the rules doesnt work with voting..only for social karma.

Lol.

Talking to you on this forum makes you realise how easy it was for the nazi's to convince the public that burning jews and gypsies was a totally acceptable solution to their "problem".

Humans really are knuckle-dragging chimps.

 

[Job]

The nazis used the EXACT same brainwashing propoganda against the jews as the remain establishment is using against brexiters.
You spout it here...remain politicians use it...all our comedy uses it.

There isnt a SINGLE anti remain comedian on the TV..theres not a single news show that isnt 100% pro remain, there isnt a single comedy newsroundup show that doesnt collectively deride brexit and brexiters.
The daily mash had ten articles..5 of them were ripping brexiters and Boris

Every outside broadcast is anti white pro remain...now judges in the supreme court are openly rallying against it and quite unbelievably going on diversity and political rants while overseeing juducial
investigations.

And still the people resist because they they see an establishment that is designed to keep them out of the process...

 

[Scouse]

anti white pro remain...

I'd definitely feel it if something was anti-white @Job. Being white myself, and having been on the end of actual racism many times, I'm quite sensitive to it.

But saying monocultures are more likely to be racist isn't racist. It's just a statement of fact. As much as you'd like it to be otherwise.

I mean - you're living proof of that fact. You live in a monoculture, and you're the most racist person around here.

And you can't call me "remain" - because I'm not.

 

[Job]

Im not racist..you actually spout out the very bigotted assumptions that racists do.

The only time I come close to racism is when I presume all followers of religions are brainwashed, dangerous zombies.

Thats why Im wary of muslims and totally at ease with Africans, Indians, Chinese etc...they are either athiest..go with the flow or follow very benign religion.

She didnt say they were racist.
This is where your simplistic trigger response takes you.
She said as a group they are less aware of the advantages she opiniates as an improvement to ones character.
Which is firstly fucking liberal bullshit based on pro diversity facebook posters....
She degenerated the individuals based on the simplistic basis of being white and living together.
Racist.
And just a bit of a vote loser.

 

[caLLous]

The nazis used the EXACT same brainwashing propoganda against the jews as the remain establishment is using against brexiters.

What. The. Fuck. Even by your standards that's a batshit crazy collection of words.

There isnt a SINGLE anti remain comedian on the TV..theres not a single news show that isnt 100% pro remain, there isnt a single comedy newsroundup show that doesnt collectively deride brexit and brexiters.
The daily mash had ten articles..5 of them were ripping brexiters and Boris

That says more about brexiters constantly making easy targets of themselves. There's no agenda, you don't get "anti leave" comedians, you just get comedians making jokes about things that will make people laugh.

 

[Scouse]

@Job - words matter. Definitions matter. She wasn't being racist. She just stated a fact about monocultures.

Racism involves belieiving someone is inferior to you based on their race. She didn't say that. She said monocultures are bigotted. It doesn't matter what the monoculture is - could be indian monoculture with no white people. Ergo: Not Racist.

But you know that.

 

[DaGaffer]

Problem is @caLLous - Hammond's a wanker who, like Blair and Brown on the "moderate" right left, continues to push a failed economic model that doesn't work for everyone.

Brexit vote was largely down to decades of worsening living standards. People feel like they're running to stand still. Hammond offers no solution to that.

Neither does Johnson, mind, but people are desparate for something different. So, right or wrong, that's why he's leading in the polls right now...

So "you've been punching me in the face for the last ten years. You know what, start kicking me in the bollocks really hard. At least it will be something different".

 

[Scouse]

So "you've been punching me in the face for the last ten years. You know what, start kicking me in the bollocks really hard. At least it will be something different".

Yep.

I don't think all acts of self harm are futile. If the next lot comes in and rapes the UK population even more we might get fighty. Then something really radical might happen.

The other option is "you know it's shit, you hate it, you're desparate, but bend over and keep taking it you losers. Yes, that's right. Suck it down. Suck it aaall the way down."

 

[DaGaffer]

Yep.

I don't think all acts of self harm are futile. If the next lot comes in and rapes the UK population even more we might get fighty. Then something really radical might happen.

The other option is "you know it's shit, you hate it, you're desparate, but bend over and keep taking it you losers. Yes, that's right. Suck it down. Suck it aaall the way down."

Or y'know, do something slightly more constructive,like vote for someone else, or leave. If it's really that bad, just fucking leave. Ask one of those Poles Brexiteers hate so much how it's done.

 

[Scouse]

Or y'know, do something slightly more constructive,like vote for someone else, or leave. If it's really that bad, just fucking leave. Ask one of those Poles Brexiteers hate so much how it's done.

Sorry, that's like @Bodhi talking - "if you're really struggling fuck off to another country" - pur-lease

I expect better of you for that Gaff. 1) more than 50% of the UK voted leave so you're asking an awful lot of people to up stcks and leave the land of their birth, which is unrealistic, and; 2) it's the land of their birth, their family, their friends, their very lives - why should they leave?

It's a shitty "I don't give a fuck about you as I'm alright Jack" position to take. And if you look at yourself I don't believe you really would take that (bodhs or job, yes, but not you).

So looking at your other option: "vote for someone else". That's been done - and there was no change. Inequality continued to widen under labour, living standards didn't really improve. All sides of the voting equation offer no change.

So Corbyn gets voted in - a marxist - because Labour members emotionally return to another failed economic system because, again, they're desparate for change - any change - and Corbyn is promising to reverse stuff they emotionally think will make things better. We all know it's not progression but instead is re-gression but it's an alternative.

Leave the EU is popular because it's an alternative - any alternative.

So voting doesn't work Gaff - because the population isn't being given an alternative that works. It's utterly a political and ruling class failure to offer alternatives to the world we've created and the system we live under.

The remain option is exactly what I described above for large swathes of the population - accept defeat and suck the dick of the rich (whilst the I'm all right Jack's are well off enough and don't care about the other half of the population (and how can you care for people you don't know)).

So leave, whilst self harming, is where we're at Gaff. I'm not commenting on the right or wrong, but only on the why.

No alternatives offered that work, unacceptable current reality, people hit fuck it.

It's not Leaver's/Corbynista's/Johnson supporters/Remainers fault. It's decades of a global economic system that patently doesn't work good enough and a ruling class that doesn't give a shit.

 

[Job]

The original vote was a kick up the ass for the establishment.
It has quickly evolved as the people realise the first problem is closer to home.

In the 20s the middle classes wanted to sterilise the poor, now the same rhetoric is coming back.

 

[Job]

Anyway, accusations of EU collusion over the Benn report.
Boris is going for emergency powers.

 

[Gwadien]

Enabling Act of 1933 - Wikipedia

 

[Gwadien]

I still find it hilarious how you think that you're kicking the establishment up the ass by supporting the likes of Mogg, Johnson, Gove etc.

amazing.

 

[Job]

What. The. Fuck. Even by your standards that's a batshit crazy collection of words.


That says more about brexiters constantly making easy targets of themselves. There's no agenda, you don't get "anti leave" comedians, you just get comedians making jokes about things that will make people laugh.

Fucking lol...anti remain comediens are far funnier and far cleverer than remain comediens , their cause is more honourable and their fight more real.
Remainers comedy...hes hitler!

 

[DaGaffer]

Sorry, that's like @Bodhi talking - "if you're really struggling fuck off to another country" - pur-lease

I expect better of you for that Gaff. 1) more than 50% of the UK voted leave so you're asking an awful lot of people to up stcks and leave the land of their birth, which is unrealistic, and; 2) it's the land of their birth, their family, their friends, their very lives - why should they leave?

It's a shitty "I don't give a fuck about you as I'm alright Jack" position to take. And if you look at yourself I don't believe you really would take that (bodhs or job, yes, but not you).

So looking at your other option: "vote for someone else". That's been done - and there was no change. Inequality continued to widen under labour, living standards didn't really improve. All sides of the voting equation offer no change.

So Corbyn gets voted in - a marxist - because Labour members emotionally return to another failed economic system because, again, they're desparate for change - any change - and Corbyn is promising to reverse stuff they emotionally think will make things better. We all know it's not progression but instead is re-gression but it's an alternative.

Leave the EU is popular because it's an alternative - any alternative.

So voting doesn't work Gaff - because the population isn't being given an alternative that works. It's utterly a political and ruling class failure to offer alternatives to the world we've created and the system we live under.

The remain option is exactly what I described above for large swathes of the population - accept defeat and suck the dick of the rich (whilst the I'm all right Jack's are well off enough and don't care about the other half of the population (and how can you care for people you don't know)).

So leave, whilst self harming, is where we're at Gaff. I'm not commenting on the right or wrong, but only on the why.

No alternatives offered that work, unacceptable current reality, people hit fuck it.

It's not Leaver's/Corbynista's/Johnson supporters/Remainers fault. It's decades of a global economic system that patently doesn't work good enough and a ruling class that doesn't give a shit.

Let's be absolutely clear here "more than 50%" of the UK didn't vote leave and of those who did, the ones with the shitty lives who didn't want more austerity (who you were referring to), had the opportunity to improve their lives by looking elsewhere, as billions of other people have done, but instead they chose to burn everything down (whilst also aiming at the wrong target), an act of collective self-harm that their grandkids will still be paying for.

I didn't even bother to read the rest of your whaffle, brexit is a stupid thing voted for by stupid people to benefit a few rich cunts and the stupidity is getting worse by the day. This will NOT bring about the revolution you want, and even thinking it can is exactly the kind of Corbynesque bollocks that's led to no credible opposition to the worst scum in power in Britain since the Stuarts. Get a fucking grip.

 

[Job]

That is the hilarious bit, we are now looking at old school Eton tories to get brexit through...I believe Mogg has it in his heart.
Johnson is just a useful chancer.

 

[Scouse]

If you read the rest of my waffle @DaGaffer maybe your response would be so misguided.

 

[Wij]

I still think we need to stop seeing this as being something voted for by poor working class people in the north. Some voted for it sure but the Brexit heartlands were the non-London counties in the south. Particularly the retired people there. When I drove south in 2016 I was flabbergasted by the number of Leave posters everywhere. We didn’t have anything like that in Yorkshire.

Also worth remembering that working age people voted remain. Pensioners who don’t have to worry about getting jobs tipped the balance.

 

[Wij]

Pretty sure it correlates highly with Mail and Express readership rates.