Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[Job]

Liverpool voted remain, 500K live here; this of course goes back to the EU taking our money and redustributing around as they see fit and handily buying support for their project.

Little signs all over Liverpool.

Paid for by the EU, complete with the borg flag.
No you fucking didnt..its our money.

 

[caLLous]

17 things European funding has done for Merseyside

Merseyside got a hell of a lot more from the EU for all of those schemes than it would've done solely from the UK government over that period. Your ignorance beggars belief.

 

[Job]

Im quite clearly saying they have if you bothered to think past your prejudice.
Im pointing out that taking money from the UK and using it for projects around the country is very handy free propaganda.
Its like the Tories paying for the Labour election campaign.

 

[Job]

I'll have to say the Knowsley job creation is hilarious.
Its the number one benefits centre of britain.

 

[caLLous]

You made it sound as if the UK paid for all of the improvements in Merseyside indirectly by giving the money to the EU first but there's no way the area would've got as much without the EU's targeted spending. Over a third of the EU's entire budget goes towards these types of schemes around its member states. You just don't want to believe that the EU does anything good so you look at everything backwards.

 

[Wij]

Probably more to do with the fact that no one in Liverpool reads the Sun.

 

[Job]

Actually most of the money invested in Liverpool has come from the Duke of westminster and Peel holdings.

That article makes it sound like the EU paid for it all, though obviously EU involvement would be a huge boost for further investment.

 

[DaGaffer]

I still think we need to stop seeing this as being something voted for by poor working class people in the north. Some voted for it sure but the Brexit heartlands were the non-London counties in the south. Particularly the retired people there. When I drove south in 2016 I was flabbergasted by the number of Leave posters everywhere. We didn’t have anything like that in Yorkshire.

Also worth remembering that working age people voted remain. Pensioners who don’t have to worry about getting jobs tipped the balance.

Exactly.

 

[caLLous]

Tory Councillor Filmed Stealing EU Flags From Anti-Brexit Protesters

"I'll report you to the anti democracy police". What a comeback.

 

[Wij]

Tory Councillor Filmed Stealing EU Flags From Anti-Brexit Protesters

"I'll report you to the anti democracy police". What a comeback.

Typical over-privileged nobs who think the law only applies to poor people.

 

[Gwadien]

Typical over-privileged nobs who think the law only applies to Remainers.

Fixed.

 

[Job]

You cant steal the EU flags.
What would the BBC do their interviews in front of?

 

[Wij]

Customs posts on both sides of the border :/

UK proposes customs posts on both sides of border

 

[Job]

Two guys, one with a barrier and the other one holding it open.

 

[DaGaffer]

Two guys, one with a barrier and the other one holding it open.

Thereby breaking a promise made by the Tories to the people of NI two years ago.

 

[Scouse]

Thereby breaking a promise made by the Tories to the people of NI two years ago.

Agreed. But promises mean nothing in politics (triple lock on pensions you say? Fair day's pay for fair day's work, you say?).

It's down to the Irish whether they start getting bomb-y again isn't it :/

 

[DaGaffer]

Agreed. But promises mean nothing in politics (triple lock on pensions you say? Fair day's pay for fair day's work, you say?).

It's down to the Irish whether they start getting bomb-y again isn't it :/

All of these artfully "leaked" proposals are window-dressing; Johnson knows they will be rejected out of hand and he can then go back to the Daily Mail readers and claim he tried and it's all the fault of those unreasonable Paddies as the EU's lapdogs. Sow enough confusion so when the bombs do start going off they can blame Irish intransigence rather than British perfidy.

 

[Scouse]

Sow enough confusion so when the bombs do start going off they can blame Irish intransigence rather than British perfidy.

If they do go off then the root cause of the problem won't just be because blighty needs a border. Yes, this current round of the longstanding problem would ultimately be of the UK's making (the leave vote, but really - Cameron pandering to the 20% of the tory party and taking a punt that none of this would be a thing) but if you start kneecapping and nailbombing children all over again then you're not 100% blameless are you...

 

[Gwadien]

If they do go off then the root cause of the problem won't just be because blighty needs a border. Yes, this current round of the longstanding problem would ultimately be of the UK's making (the leave vote, but really - Cameron pandering to the 20% of the tory party and taking a punt that none of this would be a thing) but if you start kneecapping and nailbombing children all over again then you're not 100% blameless are you...

We gave the terrorist cause legitimacy when we signed the Good Friday Agreement, but we also gave a solution.

If we're going to shit all over that agreement then we give the dickheads ammunition to convince people to blow other people up.

I think we'll try the iron fist approach.

 

[Job]

So being held politically hostage by terrorists on our own doorstep is a thing is it.

 

[Scouse]

So being held politically hostage by terrorists on our own doorstep is a thing is it.

Of fucking course it is if we reneg on the agreement we signed to bring about peace.

They've kept their side of the bargain @Job. We're the cunts* here if we do that. 100% - no wiggle room. We break OUR word.

(*Especially you).

 

[DaGaffer]

If they do go off then the root cause of the problem won't just be because blighty needs a border. Yes, this current round of the longstanding problem would ultimately be of the UK's making (the leave vote, but really - Cameron pandering to the 20% of the tory party and taking a punt that none of this would be a thing) but if you start kneecapping and nailbombing children all over again then you're not 100% blameless are you...

I'm not condoning the boyos getting out the armalites again, but, there's only one side that seems happy to renege on its treaty and political promises and drive a coach and horses through the GFA.

You can argue the GFA is only a sticking plaster for NI's fundamental problems, but it's a sticking plaster that worked, and given another generation could have solved "the Irish question" for good, but Johnson's cabal care for NI as much as they care about the British people in general, in other words, not one iota.

 

[Scouse]

Yep.

Of course, @Job doesn't see it that way. Despite living in a city that had a bomb scare a week that disabled the infrastructure whilst the squad searched and actual bombs going off nearby.

He just wanys to see it start up again, and english jackboots all over ireland - because them uppity paddies should suck our dick.

Right @Job?

 

[Job]

The agreement was capitulation..and here we are paying for it still.

The fucking EU are now involved in forcing a European country to deal with terrorists to comply with their demands.

See, you can spin this shit anyway you like and this is obviously going to get brought up after the first injury or death...

 

[Scouse]

The agreement was capitulation..

Fine. We capitulated. The IRA won. Who gives a single fuck*?

Great. But WE AGREED. And the killing and bombing stopped. There ain't no spinning that. We. Agreed.

So they held up their end of the bargain. If we break that agreement and the killing starts again, I hope when the first bomb goes off in Lime Street you get the face full of nails rather than the kid behind you. At least you'll achieve something.



*Apart from nationalist arseholes who had nothing to do with it anyway. Fight in NI did you Job? I mean - you really feel the shame of 'capitulation' hard, so much so you'd like to see decades long killing start up again. My father in law was stationed in NI during the troubles. He voted leave - (he's a white racist guy from Dorset - not a word of a lie) - but the only thing he regrets about his leave vote is that he's worried the peace process will fall apart and it'll all start up again.

Funny how people who actually experienced the situation treat it with rather much more respect than a plumber who's nearest scrapes with actual violence is when he has to run out of a pub because he's been chanting shit about hillsborough at drunken liverpool fans...

 

[Job]

We cant live in constant fear and capitulation of a handful of gangsters.
Are they going to start bombing properly, really?
Lets see who supports them...the world has changed.

 

[Scouse]

Did we, or didn't we, agree @Job?

Is the UK just a lying piece of shit?

Be good to know...

 

[DaGaffer]

We cant live in constant fear and capitulation of a handful of gangsters.
Are they going to start bombing properly, really?
Lets see who supports them...the world has changed.

Two handfuls of gangsters. If it was just about the IRA you might have a point (a shit point but with a certain logic), but it wasn't, it was two groups knocking lumps out of each other, it just so happened that only one of them was a threat to you, so that's the only one you care about.

The peace process and the GFA was actually Britain at it's very best; innovative and hugely pragmatic, with no room for dogma (we're terrible at ideology and should stay away from it; we're not French). It wasn't a "capitulation" because we lost nothing, apart from a regular supply of dead soldiers.

 

[Job]

The EU it would seem are happy to have a border overseen by terrorists.
Thats fine, maybe they stick their faces on the Euro.

Hoky fuck...I can just see that happening one day.

 

[Scouse]

Head. Sand. Troll.

There literally isn't anything more to you, is there @Job?