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A whole trial with an expert judge watching and listening to everything, and you know better?
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A whole trial with an expert judge watching and listening to everything, and you know better?
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Things that make me think wtf are when they say "He didnt mean to kill anyone" etc, ok he's not a muderer as in planned it out; but if I ever had a gun and wanted to use it for example being robbed/family in danger I'd shoot to kill. If I wanted to injure someone I'd grab my 2nd hand piece of shit carbon shaft driver which I thought looked good but is actually shit 
I hope he gets the manslaughter charge just because of his previous incidents which letting off fireams in public and then shooting at a bathroom when he doesn't know who's inside but his girlfriend isn't in bed next to him:
Culpable homicide (manslaughter)
No intention to kill. Takes into account disability, but actions negligent and not in keeping with a reasonable person.
Maximum of 15 years, possibly between seven and 10 years
I hope he gets the manslaughter charge just because of his previous incidents which letting off fireams in public and then shooting at a bathroom when he doesn't know who's inside but his girlfriend isn't in bed next to him:
Culpable homicide (manslaughter)
No intention to kill. Takes into account disability, but actions negligent and not in keeping with a reasonable person.
Maximum of 15 years, possibly between seven and 10 years
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Things that make me think wtf are when they say "He didnt mean to kill anyone" etc, ok he's not a muderer as in planned it out; but if I ever had a gun and wanted to use it for example being robbed/family in danger I'd shoot to kill. If I wanted to injure someone I'd grab my 2nd hand piece of shit carbon shaft driver which I thought looked good but is actually shit
I hope he gets the manslaughter charge just because of his previous incidents which letting off fireams in public and then shooting at a bathroom when he doesn't know who's inside but his girlfriend isn't in bed next to him:
Culpable homicide (manslaughter)
No intention to kill. Takes into account disability, but actions negligent and not in keeping with a reasonable person.
Maximum of 15 years, possibly between seven and 10 years
It's a difficult case, because there's no motive for it to malicious (that know of)
I know when I wake up, I can do things for like 10 minutes, and then stop think, how the fuck did I get here, like in a complete daze, sometimes I'm walking before I'm even awake, crazy shit, so for that reason I can sort of see why he didn't check to see if she was in bed, but I suppose picking the gun up, and pulling the trigger would have to be a conscious decision, but yeah, I don't think it was intentional, I think it was a complete accident, but should still get punished for it, of course.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-20623870
So high, black guy in car gets done for murder, white guy with gun gets (probable) manslaughter.
hmmmm
Tell that to the insanely rich and influential black elite of today's Southern Africa.
Wealth and influence play a much larger role in Southern Africa today than race does.
Same court, same judge, same legal representation, same situation??
No, you are right , it must be a race thing.
I'm not saying it's good or even better for that sake. I'm just pointing out that the idea of a white guy getting off due to his skin colour, in a post apartheid nation is dumb at best - Best case scenario in S.A. today is that him being white dosnt work directly against him. Especially concidering that he's a celeb.
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Apart from the neighbours testifying to a huge row that very evening, at least that what Sky News reported.
Moriath said:
Under-qualified people put into jobs they should not be in is the new South Africa. Quite regularly visit SAA in Joburg and the guys there tell me how their training school now has two sets of criteria for new engineers. Whites have to score >75% overall to pass, the others >50%. Massive discrimination going on now. With companies having to meet targets of employing blacks in key positions, even knowing that there are not enough well qualified ones to do it. Those that are are naming their own terms and companies have no choice but to accept.
I know its a case of reaping what they sow to a certain extent but replacing one form of systematic discrimination with the same thing is idiotic.
The judge in this case has looked totally out of her depth throughout every time she opens her mouth, its painful to watch. Kind of reminds me of the signing translator at Mandela's do.
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The idea that you think SA is "post apartheid" in anything other than "official" terms is dumb at best.
Your joking?
Right?
no, really...
please
Do you have any, as in even a shread of evidence to back up your claim? anything? at all?
Any example, that might not just as easily be expalined by wealth, corruption or influence.
By all means, present to me an argument f.exp. in the O.P verdict that cannot be explained by corruption, influence or incompetance....
Have you ever been to S.A for more than a day or two or a Safari of some sort?
Do you follow S.A politics, at all?
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Please enlighten me, as to how the coloured people of S.A are restricted? what are they denied or obstructed in doing or achiving? how are they segregated?
How do the colored people of S.A Suffer at the hands of the white minority today?
Who holds the political power in S.A today? Are they publicly elected? How are they facilitating thier power and influence? what have they done to improve life and conditions for the poor black
majority?
How do the colored people of S.A Suffer at the hands of the white minority today?
Who holds the political power in S.A today? Are they publicly elected? How are they facilitating thier power and influence? what have they done to improve life and conditions for the poor black
majority?
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It's more the other way around. With as hawk wind said more depiscri inaction against whites. However the population is so unbalanced that there are bound to be more black people in town ships and poor settings than white even after all this time of anti apartheid
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It is more than this. In the apartheid South Africa, whites got jobs purely based on their skin colour. In a post apartheid world, they were pushed out of cushy government jobs and into private enterprise. It meant that pencil pushing management in Government was no longer a carer option. They had to be study harder, work smarter and generally be superior to their black peers, because the system was now rigged against them. For the native blacks, the route to a cushy job got easier. And people wonder why the social dynamics of the country hasn't changed?? The Economist recently had an article that showed that right after apartheid was abolished, white ownership of private business in Africa was a relatively small part of the whole economy. 15 years on, it was suddenly a major part of it.
Anyway, Roses are red, violets are glorious, never sneak up on Oscar Pistorious!
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Don't know how it works around on "Ze Island", but around here murder is something you have a motive for, you actually plan to go out today and kill John.
Manslaughter(and other such variants) cover these kind of situations. This seems like a regular old trial, though why all the hoopla over a legless runner is beyond me. Did this guy cure the cancer or something?
Manslaughter(and other such variants) cover these kind of situations. This seems like a regular old trial, though why all the hoopla over a legless runner is beyond me. Did this guy cure the cancer or something?
"Murder" is more complicated than that everywhere, Toht.
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May be, but still.
And even then the only part which comes close is the brutality, which this does not fall under(it's a regular shooting).
And even then the only part which comes close is the brutality, which this does not fall under(it's a regular shooting).
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He went to his Gun, He loaded his gun, he went into his bathroom and then shot multiple times into a small confined area with nowhere to hide at what could have been anyone. He was a proficient marksman or at least gun user so he knew the damage a bullet could do, he knew his home, he knew it was a confined space with nowhere to hide. Taking all that into account i do not see how it cant be murder. Purely on fact he PRESUMED a noise he heard late at night was an intruder?. If that's all you need then i am petty sure we will see many more "accidents" in SA soon
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Dont forget he walked around the bed that she would have been in.'You would think that on hearing suspicious noises and waking the first thing you'd do is reach over to make sure it's not the mrs. Not grab a gun walk around the bed and then shoot through the closed door of a bathroom. WTF would a thief want in a bathroom anyway. Hardly the first port of call for any robbers. Or maybe there has been a spate of loo roll thefts and towels in that area. No logic to this other than he's guilty as fuck and knew she was in there.